Petrenko

[WandallBone]

if Jaensch were really that good someone else will take a shot on him.

 

[-CG-]

Wouldnt be surprised if Jaensch doesnt play again and delisted at the end of the year. Word out of West Lakes is that his "late night out" didnt go down well with coaching staff at all.

Played some servicable footy, but didnt set the world on fire. Might have burned his one shot.

This reminds me of the Darren Pfieffer situation a few years ago.

If I remember correctly he stuffed up a couple of times very early in his career and as a result he wasn't on our list for long at all. Everyone thought he would go alright at a higher level too and was surprised when he was cut.

Carlton picked him up and he did alright there but I wonder where he is now?

It will be interesting to see what path we go down with Jaensch...

 

[ruscy002]

Jaensch's previous indiscretions were prior to joining the club. He had a late night out and was severely led astray by a more senior player and club champion. Jaensch will play again for the AFC in 2010 if his form demands it, if not then I'd be very disappointed with how he's ben handled.

 

[Cap]

I’m not going to sit here and pretend to be an expert, but IMO a team needs blokes like Petrenko in it. Sure he is never going to be “elite” but he seems to have all the makings of an AFL player in regards to poise and execution. I would love to see him in defence, perhaps on the smaller types players such as Milne (Although Johncock would have been good enough) .
I’m not sure about his fitness however? Is there a reason he can’t be rotated through the midfield? He seems to get the hardball easily enough?

On Jaensch, I can’t see the club delisting him, as mentioned I thought the Pfeiffer situation was slightly different in that he was pretty much a loose cannon from Day 1 that we got him? I believe he is now playing up on the GC in the hope of getting onto the GC AFL list next year.

Anyway back to Jaensch, If the only real issue was his application to training you’d think they would stick with him given that’s something that you can turn around clearly (what I mean is that you can never really tell if someone is off the turps but you can tell if they are training harder through better results) plus I think he shows a lot more than Pfeiffer did so its probably apples and oranges.

 

[Vader]

My guess is that Dujon11 is pretty close to the money.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think the coaches view that he is too small and would be vulnerable overhead.

You're probably right. I just wish the coaches would check and see in a game situation though, rather than just assume it to be the case.

Perfect opportunity this week with Ballantyne to try him out down there.

Wouldnt be surprised if Jaensch doesnt play again and delisted at the end of the year. Word out of West Lakes is that his "late night out" didnt go down well with coaching staff at all.

Played some servicable footy, but didnt set the world on fire. Might have burned his one shot.

Something about faces, noses and spite leaps to mind.

You're probably on the money though. There are a string of players with some fairly minor indiscretions to their name who left the club soon after - Hudson, Welsh, Pfeiffer.

 

[King Elvis]

That really annoys me.

We carry on about having a strong culture, but if our culture isnt strong enough to get a young kid like Jaensch back on track, or at least give him more than one chance, then it's a waste of time.

 

[ruscy002]

That really annoys me.

We carry on about having a strong culture, but if our culture isnt strong enough to get a young kid like Jaensch back on track, or at least give him more than one chance, then it's a waste of time.

Bingo!

I'd like to think that at worst, he's only blown his chances of a permanent elevation at the end of this year. To delist a guy whose only discretion at his club is a late night out (with poor guidence provided by a more senior player) is just laughable. He was penalised by the leadership group for this, and he's now in a position where he'll really have to fight hard to get back into the 22. He will be judged on how he approaches this, not for an incident where the reasons for being penalised were somewhat dubious anyway.

 

[thebirdman 24]

It's not a good image for future players, 'Come play for the crows you will have no fun!"

 

[SydCrow]

Bingo!

I'd like to think that at worst, he's only blown his chances of a permanent elevation at the end of this year. To delist a guy whose only discretion at his club is a late night out (with poor guidence provided by a more senior player) is just laughable. He was penalised by the leadership group for this, and he's now in a position where he'll really have to fight hard to get back into the 22. He will be judged on how he approaches this, not for an incident where the reasons for being penalised were somewhat dubious anyway.

doesn't Jaensch have some history - which makes this more than just a one-off?

and a rule is a rule - why make exceptions for one or two players?

 

[crowman86]

People are making a lot of assumptions here. Who knows what the club are going to do with Jaensch, how about we wait before we start judging the way the club has 'mis-handled' the lad.

 

[ruscy002]

doesn't Jaensch have some history - which makes this more than just a one-off?

and a rule is a rule - why make exceptions for one or two players?

We're already way off topic so we'll leave the rules are rules discussion for another time. What I will say is that what he and Bernie did was at the most minor possible end of the scale, maybe worth demotion but barely.

As far as Jaensch's "history" is concerned, it is just that, happened before we recruited him. If we can't give a 20 year old kid a clean slate at the beginning and a second chance after one very minor stuff up, then I'd be seriously questioning what the AFC stands for.

 

[Wood_Duck]

People are making a lot of assumptions here. Who knows what the club are going to do with Jaensch, how about we wait before we start judging the way the club has 'mis-handled' the lad.

The club is in pretty bad form at the moment (on and off field). I think people are entiteled to expect the worst.

 

[ruscy002]

People are making a lot of assumptions here. Who knows what the club are going to do with Jaensch, how about we wait before we start judging the way the club has 'mis-handled' the lad.

I'm kinda going the other way in that I don't think we've mishandled Jaensch, but we would be mishandling him if we delist him at the end of 2010. I don't think we're stupid enough to do this, and can't comprehend the speculation over this when he's served his penalty and there's still 12 games to go this season.

 

[cmndstab]

I think whether Jaensch survives this year or not will have a lot more to do with how Jaensch handles himself from now on than anything else.

Go and get up the sulks and he can **** off. Actually show that he wants to play AFL football and learn from this mistake and they'll keep him around. I don't think it's spin when Craig says it's in Matt's hands now.


As for Petrenko, with Douglas having stepped up this year after managing a rare decent preseason, somebody needs to play that role. I know people pull out the tackles stats, but they're clearly crap. Two weeks ago he wasn't credited with a single tackle when I can distinctly remember one that led directly to a goal. No doubt there are others that somehow were not counted on the stats sheets, and he also manages to put the defenders off their kick, or rush their disposal, with his presence.

I agree, he's better down back, but we need someone up there placing pressure on the opposition half back line because nobody else in our forward line is doing it. Unfotunately, the only "true" small forward we've recruited in the last five years is Jacky, who just doesn't look up to it at this point. We're stuck with playing someone out of position, and Petrenko's emergence has allowed us to free Douglas to his more natural position after years of playing him up forward where he's not as comfortable.

Petrenko will move down back eventually, but probably not yet.

 

[ruscy002]

I think whether Jaensch survives this year or not will have a lot more to do with how Jaensch handles himself from now on than anything else.

Go and get up the sulks and he can **** off. Actually show that he wants to play AFL football and learn from this mistake and they'll keep him around. I don't think it's spin when Craig says it's in Matt's hands now.


As for Petrenko, with Douglas having stepped up this year after managing a rare decent preseason, somebody needs to play that role. I know people pull out the tackles stats, but they're clearly crap. Two weeks ago he wasn't credited with a single tackle when I can distinctly remember one that led directly to a goal. No doubt there are others that somehow were not counted on the stats sheets, and he also manages to put the defenders off their kick, or rush their disposal, with his presence.

I agree, he's better down back, but we need someone up there placing pressure on the opposition half back line because nobody else in our forward line is doing it. Unfotunately, the only "true" small forward we've recruited in the last five years is Jacky, who just doesn't look up to it at this point. We're stuck with playing someone out of position, and Petrenko's emergence has allowed us to free Douglas to his more natural position after years of playing him up forward where he's not as comfortable.

Petrenko will move down back eventually, but probably not yet.

Exactly my point re Jaensch.

On the tackling stats being crap...if they're missing them for Pets then they're missing them for everyone else...factoring this in, he's still well behind the average small forwards out there when also taking into account scoring output.

If we're not going to play him in defence, then I'd rather that he start in the middle, gets some disposals, then push forward. I think it'll help him get into the game a bit more rather than starting cold in the forward line.

 

[LC40]

Agree with a lot of posters here, to me Craigy and his assistants seem to have trouble accepting some players aren't interchangeable or they just play blokes out of position in hope.

Petrenko in my book is a defender and only a defender. He doesn't read the play like a forward and sometimes gets caught when trying to think his next move.
Really not giving enough in his forward position to warrant selection however he runs hard,tackles well and has some closing down speed.Like him when he's running directly at the ball. If he can stay focused and man up after the ball is gone I think his future is down back.

Jaensch is also being played in the wrong spot.
He has pace,a lovely long kick and does find his own ball and has good disposal skills. Has wingman written all over him.
Maybe you could try him as a Knights replacement on a flank but as a defender I think his talents are being wasted

 

[crowralph]

I think whether Jaensch survives this year or not will have a lot more to do with how Jaensch handles himself from now on than anything else.

Go and get up the sulks and he can **** off. Actually show that he wants to play AFL football and learn from this mistake and they'll keep him around. I don't think it's spin when Craig says it's in Matt's hands now.


As for Petrenko, with Douglas having stepped up this year after managing a rare decent preseason, somebody needs to play that role. I know people pull out the tackles stats, but they're clearly crap. Two weeks ago he wasn't credited with a single tackle when I can distinctly remember one that led directly to a goal. No doubt there are others that somehow were not counted on the stats sheets, and he also manages to put the defenders off their kick, or rush their disposal, with his presence.

I agree, he's better down back, but we need someone up there placing pressure on the opposition half back line because nobody else in our forward line is doing it. Unfotunately, the only "true" small forward we've recruited in the last five years is Jacky, who just doesn't look up to it at this point. We're stuck with playing someone out of position, and Petrenko's emergence has allowed us to free Douglas to his more natural position after years of playing him up forward where he's not as comfortable.

Petrenko will move down back eventually, but probably not yet.

agree, mostly, but it's only because of the ridiculously slow manner the ball has found its way into the forwardline. if we go long and direct, then any decent midfielder type can get to the contest. the way we presently bring it in requires a hard at it defernder to play forward pocket. this is completely unacceptable. pet's should be playing back pocket. no discussion at all. 95% of people here understand this.

 

[macca23]

Agree with a lot of posters here, to me Craigy and his assistants seem to have trouble accepting some players aren't interchangeable or they just play blokes out of position in hope.

Petrenko in my book is a defender and only a defender. He doesn't read the play like a forward and sometimes gets caught when trying to think his next move.
Really not giving enough in his forward position to warrant selection however he runs hard,tackles well and has some closing down speed.Like him when he's running directly at the ball. If he can stay focused and man up after the ball is gone I think his future is down back.

Jaensch is also being played in the wrong spot.
He has pace,a lovely long kick and does find his own ball and has good disposal skills. Has wingman written all over him.
Maybe you could try him as a Knights replacement on a flank but as a defender I think his talents are being wasted

What surprises me is that I see it the way you have,the majority of footy followers see it that way, but Craig and crew don't see it that way.

Petrenko should have played on Milne with Doughty HB or on ball as a run with player. Petrenko caught the eye to be drafted as a defender and is every bit as quick as Milne. Doughty just couldn't go with him.

IMO Petrenko will either make it as a defender or struggle to hold a spot in the long term.

Similarly if Jaensch was playing on the wing, our forwards just might find life a little easier courtesy of good delivery from Jaensch.

 

[Allefgib]

What surprises me is that I see it the way you have,the majority of footy followers see it that way, but Craig and crew don't see it that way.

Petrenko should have played on Milne with Doughty HB or on ball as a run with player. Petrenko caught the eye to be drafted as a defender and is every bit as quick as Milne. Doughty just couldn't go with him.

IMO Petrenko will either make it as a defender or struggle to hold a spot in the long term.

Similarly if Jaensch was playing on the wing, our forwards just might find life a little easier courtesy of good delivery from Jaensch.

Sometimes I numb myself to the following thought... but then sometimes, like right now, it smacks me across the face again.

Why oh why oh WHY doesn't Craigy try these apparently OBVIOUS changes?

He's happy enough to swing Stevens from end to end. We rotate through the midfield.

When our defenders are getting beaten - why not change them?

Why NOT give Petrenko a shot at milne after he'd kicked his first couple?

I just don't geddit.

 

[moogerfooger]

My guess is Petrenko won't play off half back until he can improve his field kicking. His howler of a pass to Tippett was bad enough at that end of the ground. Do that off half back and it'll cost the team a goal every time.

If we fast forward 6 months, to a back line without Goodwin, Edwards and maybe McLeod and Doughty, there will be plenty of opportunities for Petrenko to slot in back there.