pick 4

[Silvagnis]

Hurn not Dowler

You guys will pick Dowler.

Why would Carlton draft another full-forward with Fev signed?

Hurn's the best footballer after Murphy of course and we should just bite the bullet and pick him.There are better talls available in next year's crop without as many question marks hanging over their heads.

 

[macca69]

Re: Hurn not Dowler

Why would Carlton draft another full-forward with Fev signed?

Hurn's the best footballer after Murphy of course and we should just bite the bullet and pick him.There are better talls available in next year's crop without as many question marks hanging over their heads.

not saying I would do the same thing but come draft day its highly likely that Dowler will be at Carlton.

 

[nommes1]

Carlton are probably looking for more contested marking ability up forward.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

If reports are true and we are looking at McClaren as our PSD pick i would say that might have an effect on who we take at 4.

 

[nommes1]

Will Pick 4 be a midfielder or a tall?

Hurn/Ellis(Maybe) Vs Kennedy/Ryder/Clark/Dowler

OR Simply the best available in the recruiters' minds?

 

[sinepari]

Tough one that I think comes down to two factors

a) Who you take at 1 in the ND

b) Who you take in the PSD.

If you take Mclaren in the PSD, I don't think you'll take Ryder, although you probably should. He is a real talent, having seen him play a fair bit.

With Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Fevola, I'm not convinced you need another tall forward. However, at 4 I can see you taking Hughes or Clark. Clark provides a taller target, and Hughes a mobile CHF.

Taking Hurn at 4 would also have its benefits. A midfield of Murphy, Hurn, Bentick, Stevens is moving on the right track for the future, especially considering(in all honesty) you'll most likely get a decent draft pick next year.

If it was my choice, I'd take Ryder, Hurn or a tall backman (lucy most likely / Drum)

 

[king_Brown]

Carlton maybe should go after either Kennedy,Ryder,Clark,Hughes with pick four seeming Whitnall is likely to play most of nxt year down back.
It would provide another marking target up forward

 

[bluebagger]

Tough one that I think comes down to two factors

a) Who you take at 1 in the ND

b) Who you take in the PSD.

If you take Mclaren in the PSD, I don't think you'll take Ryder, although you probably should. He is a real talent, having seen him play a fair bit.

With Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Fevola, I'm not convinced you need another tall forward. However, at 4 I can see you taking Hughes or Clark. Clark provides a taller target, and Hughes a mobile CHF.

Taking Hurn at 4 would also have its benefits. A midfield of Murphy, Hurn, Bentick, Stevens is moving on the right track for the future, especially considering(in all honesty) you'll most likely get a decent draft pick next year.

If it was my choice, I'd take Ryder, Hurn or a tall backman (lucy most likely / Drum)

I don't think so. I can't imagine we'd be taking a tall backman at No.4 as there don't seem to be any standout candidates...if we take a tall defender I'd suggest it would be at 20 or 36 and we'd take the best available out of Spangher, Bower, Lucy and Drum.

With pick 4 the PSD may come slightly into consideration in that we're likely to take McLaren there, but it will ultimately come down to who the recruiting staff think the best player is. French will probably only play 3 more years, so if they think Ryder is good enough to become a gun ruckman in time then I don't think picking McLaren will affect whether or not we pick Ryder.

I don't think Hughes or Clark would be in real contention either...their range is probably 6-12. I think it's out of Ellis, Hurn, Kennedy and Ryder and two of those will probably be gone, barring a major surprise. From what I saw at the U-18 Championships Ellis is a class footballer and will be go at either 2 or 3...yes the club that picks him will have to be a little bit more patient, as he's committed to school next year, and he's built like a twig, but despite that he's not afraid to throw his body in and doesn't deserve the Aaron Fiora comparisons.

Hurn was a bit underwhelming in the game I saw him play, but apparently his next two games were improved and the OP affected his ability to play the whole game in midfield. If he can get over the OP, then you'd expect him to play plenty of senior football next year. At 96kgs already though, he might be getting a bit too big, which could affect his ability to run in midfield.

Kennedy and Ryder both looked good at the championships. I guess the question with Kennedy is how versatile he is, and with Ryder is 195.7cms a bit short for a no.1 ruckman?

Personally I'm hoping for Kennedy, but if the Hawks take Ryder at 3 the choice between Kennedy and Hurn could be difficult.

 

[sinepari]

Kennedy, IMO, is worth a number 1 or 2 pick. Would be very, very surprised if he was still available at 4.

 

[Pivot]

Tough one that I think comes down to two factors

a) Who you take at 1 in the ND

b) Who you take in the PSD.

If you take Mclaren in the PSD, I don't think you'll take Ryder, although you probably should. He is a real talent, having seen him play a fair bit.

With Waite, Fisher, Whitnall and Fevola, I'm not convinced you need another tall forward. However, at 4 I can see you taking Hughes or Clark. Clark provides a taller target, and Hughes a mobile CHF.

Taking Hurn at 4 would also have its benefits. A midfield of Murphy, Hurn, Bentick, Stevens is moving on the right track for the future, especially considering(in all honesty) you'll most likely get a decent draft pick next year.

If it was my choice, I'd take Ryder, Hurn or a tall backman (lucy most likely / Drum)

Thanks for the post mate. I like the sound of Kennedy I must say. At 195cm and 93kg he can play either CHF or CHB equally as well and is a very good contested/pack mark. He has good mobility and is a real workhorse which is what is needed from a CHF.

Ryder has those equisite skills and a big leap. I wouldn't be unhappy with him but hear that he needs more grunt, same for Clark. They are both only kids though and will hopefully get more grunt in them as time goes on. Clark at 198cm and Ryder at 196cm both possessing excellent mobility and skills are mouth watering prospects.

Alot will depend on whether or not Carlton wants players for next year or whether they are prepared to wait.

Ellis, Ryder and Clark may not be ready for next year. Kennedy, Murphy and Hurn are more likely to be and could have an impact on the CFC if they are drafted. Murphy at 1 and either of Hurn or Kennedy at 4 IMO.

At 20 & 36 hopefully two of Mills, Bower, Spangher and Lucy are available and we can pick up 2 genuine key defenders.

At pick 68 it will just depend on whether we went short or tall with the earlier picks. Jake Edwards sounds good, Heath Hocking also.

 

[DIG]

I hope we just take the best available (according to how we've rated them) with 1 and 4 given we're deficient everywhere. If one turns out to be a Kennedy, Ryder or Clark then good and well. Don't care if who we get is ready for next year or not as long as they'll be guns long term.

If we get 2 mids, then we can address more positional needs with our later picks - a decent tall might slide to 20 (remember Cameron Wood last year).

 

[Carlton23]

i dont think we will be using pick 68....

At least after 1st lodgement we cant anyway....

They would have to delist someone else and i dont see too many low picks any better than what we already have

Michael

 

[Moto_GP]

Mark Murphy will be taken with pick one.
Josh Kennedy will be taken with pick four.

Collingwood likely to pass on ellis with hurn and ryder going 2 and 3.

Simple as that!

 

[Silvagnis]

Mark Murphy will be taken with pick one.
Josh Kennedy will be taken with pick four.

Collingwood likely to pass on ellis with hurn and ryder going 2 and 3.

Simple as that!

Noted for future reference.

Kennedy would be awfully tempting if he's available at pick four with Hurn also available.But I can't see Hawthorn not picking up another KPP at 3 after losing Thompson, Holland, Rawlings and Hay in the past three years.

Best case scenario would be Murphy and Hurn since they are rated by some draft watchers as the best footballers in this draft.Worst case scenario but one I'd still accept would be Murphy and Ellis.But I think we have enough development players on the list in Russell and Walker already.

I hope we overlook Clarke and Ryder since one is considered a party boy and the other's too small ruck and play as a genuine tall key position player.

 

[HBF]

Noted for future reference.

Kennedy would be awfully tempting if he's available at pick four with Hurn also available.But I can't see Hawthorn not picking up another KPP at 3 after losing Thompson, Holland, Rawlings and Hay in the past three years.

Best case scenario would be Murphy and Hurn since they are rated by some draft watchers as the best footballers in this draft.Worst case scenario but one I'd still accept would be Murphy and Ellis.But I think we have enough development players on the list in Russell and Walker already.

I hope we overlook Clarke and Ryder since one is considered a party boy and the other's too small ruck and play as a genuine tall key position player.

Not sure if Carlton would go with Ellis if he's still available at #4. Like you said, we already have development players in Walker in Russell. Would like to think that in a perfect world, pick #4 would be out of Hurn and Kennedy.

The more i think about it, the more I think we need to take Hurn. We can get KP defenders from #20 as i'm sure one of either Lucy, Spangher, Bower and Mills would still be available.

Like someone else said, i'm sure Carlton will have a pretty high draft pick next year, and we may be able to utilise that selection on a defender then.

 

[Silvagnis]

As tempting as drafting Kennedy would be I hope they go for Murphy and Hurn because they sound like born leaders.This is a skill we lack as much as any other onfield talent.They sound markedly different to Lappin and Camporeale who demonstrated next to no leadership this year.

Best case scenario would be Murphy, Hurn, Spangher and Bower with our first four picks.But I've got a feeling Spangher will go to the Hawks with one of their four top 20 picks.

Like someone else said, i'm sure Carlton will have a pretty high draft pick next year, and we may be able to utilise that selection on a defender then.

That was probably me responding with Hansen, Thorp, etc are available in next year's superdraft to someone who said we have to grab a tall eventually. We have to grab the best talent available not the best to fill a spot.