List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[marky53]

Would Thomas take a 450-500k deal?

No chance

 

[Whispering_Jack]

You don't have to pay massive overs.

Could offer him a contract that is modest in the first two years, and scales up to something fairly significant. Then take that figure and pay it where it best suits us (ie. front load it, scale it up, have one big year - whatever).

We get the double advantage of locking up a supreme talent at spending the cash where it suits us, and he has the benefit of an ironclad list place, security, and lack of speculation.

We were gun shy for a decade on long term contracts due to Mercuri - reckon we are pretty safe here.

What if he does 3 ACL's in 3 years? I know where you are coming from but the risk for return isn't there IMO (at least not yet anyway). In any case, we have until late next year to decide what to do with his contract situation

 

[Zach Package]

pretty much spot on, reckon you're harsh on Colyer and Hardingham though.

Reckon Dalgleish is playing his way into a senior list spot

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Martin is not gettable.

 

[Jade]

What if he does 3 ACL's in 3 years? I know where you are coming from but the risk for return isn't there IMO (at least not yet anyway). In any case, we have until late next year to decide what to do with his contract situation

Yes but I'm sure I won't be the only bloke whose sphincter will be tightening if he hasn't re-signed come this time next year.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

Yes but I'm sure I won't be the only bloke whose sphincter will be tightening if he hasn't re-signed come this time next year.

Thats true, but I don't think he would leave after just 2 years unless TRB aren't giving him opportunties.

 

[LocalBomber]

Please delist Dell'Olio, Colyer and Davis.
Hille and Lovett-Murray will retire surely.
Gumbleton should be traded somewhere.

 

[theboxmike]

Good player but no don't want him anywhere near us.

 

[daffo]

I would rather spend 600K on Martin than Betts.

 

[POKsPies252]

It's probably been talked about before but what would it take for Gumby? 2nd rd pick??

 

[eth-dog]

Gumby + Jetta for 1st round pick?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

As a reserve ruckman he isn't that bad. It's not as if Sydney need him anyway

You're kidding aren't you?

 

[POKsPies252]

Gumby + Jetta for 1st round pick?

Gumby + Jetta for K.Martin and 2nd Rd pick

No offence but no way we would be trading pick 12-13 for those two blokes

 

[lenny2013]

It's probably been talked about before but what would it take for Gumby? 2nd rd pick??

How's Fasolo going with his foot injury?
When fit will he get a Guernsey a head of Elliot?

 

[POKsPies252]

How's Fasolo going with his foot injury?
When fit will he get a Guernsey a head of Elliot?

Hmm it's a good question, TBH I don't think many have heard anything about his recovery which is pretty disappointing. I guess his position all depends on who we acquire and who we lose. With Dids and krak unlikely to be around next year I would think he'd be a required player. Ultimately, I think he'll end up as a pretty decent wingman in a couple of years rather than just a forward.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

You don't have to pay massive overs.

Could offer him a contract that is modest in the first two years, and scales up to something fairly significant. Then take that figure and pay it where it best suits us (ie. front load it, scale it up, have one big year - whatever).

We get the double advantage of locking up a supreme talent at spending the cash where it suits us, and he has the benefit of an ironclad list place, security, and lack of speculation.

We were gun shy for a decade on long term contracts due to Mercuri - reckon we are pretty safe here.

Like how the Hurley and Ryder deals are turning out?

 

[Jade]

Like how the Hurley and Ryder deals are turning out?

Both are absolutel locks in our best 22; both accepted unders (from a market perspective).

I'd so both deals are (thus far) big wins.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Big wins..... locking in under performing blokes to big $$ ong term deals is a win?

Ryder has been ok this year (consistency is why he is ok).

Hurley has had a mare or a season, but has massive issues with his hands which may prevent him from ever being the player he could be. We are paying on potential, not output.

As a result, we are hamstrung in trying to attract any other decent players now we have Goddard.

 

[BrunoV]

I reckon that on current form White is a better fit for the side than Bellchambers is and that irrespective of who we trade, White would be excellent cover (not that I think he'll need to accept a position on a list as cover as Freo and Dogs will probably be looking very closely, I reckon that he has well and truly passed anything Sam Reid has done and that he may just be a best 22 player now).

I think there needs to be more focus on what Bellchambers can be before we trade him. Remember that he is still a young ruck. The structural issue resolves itself if over the course of this coming preseason Bellchambers develops at about the same rate as he did during the last and the result is that he can have more of an impact as a ruck (as opposed to just being a really good mark). It took Hille quite some time before he developed the endurance and aggression in his game that took him to the level of the game's elite rucks.

As soon as it happens we can get back to using Ryder forward and more match-up related selection of the two rucks (as opposed to being forced into playing Bellchambers as a forward because he isn't good enough to play in the ruck). When we finally get a combination of a hard leading forwardline which includes Ryder more than it doesn't we'll have more freedom to include Gumby and use Crameri as a flanker to strike a combination that helps every one to perform better.

 

[Jade]

Big wins..... locking in under performing blokes to big $$ ong term deals is a win?

Ryder has been ok this year (consistency is why he is ok).

Hurley has had a mare or a season, but has massive issues with his hands which may prevent him from ever being the player he could be. We are paying on potential, not output.

As a result, we are hamstrung in trying to attract any other decent players now we have Goddard.

Hurley is rumoured to be on ~$550k pa over five. He's our most effective forward (look at what happens to it when he doesn't play), and is widely regarded as even better down back. In and out with injury sure, but will get right. Highly competitive, already in our leadership group, gives us great flexibility and (IMO) is one of the top five or six players on our list - how could you not be happy with that?

Ryder - AFL currently has him listed as the sixth best ruckman in the league; my personal opinion I'd have him at about fourth. And we've got him for a rumoured amount of $500k a year. For one of the best rucks in the league? Winning....

I respect your right to your opinion, but I have to strongly disagree - these two are amongst five or six players on our list that I consider completely untouchable. I'm glad the list management team at Essendon agrees with me and has signed them up on amounts that are freakin steals.

 

[Zach Package]

The fact is, expectation is the problem, not performance. People expected him to be a star but now we have to reevaluate based on his body, what we have is a very intense competitive player in a forward line crying out for some hardness.

Lots of this, we were all floored when he single handedly bent over hawthorn, and we haven't tempered our expectations. Still got masses and masses of potential at either end, but he reality is he's still young, hes has bugger all continuity, he's only played 70 odd games and he's still I'd say our best forward AND our best defender.

No was are we trading him, not that you are suggesting it, but we have an absolute gun on our hands, we just need to be patient.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I reckon that on current form White is a better fit for the side than Bellchambers is and that irrespective of who we trade, White would be excellent cover (not that I think he'll need to accept a position on a list as cover as Freo and Dogs will probably be looking very closely, I reckon that he has well and truly passed anything Sam Reid has done and that he may just be a best 22 player now).

I think there needs to be more focus on what Bellchambers can be before we trade him. Remember that he is still a young ruck. The structural issue resolves itself if over the course of this coming preseason Bellchambers develops at about the same rate as he did during the last and the result is that he can have more of an impact as a ruck (as opposed to just being a really good mark). It took Hille quite some time before he developed the endurance and aggression in his game that took him to the level of the game's elite rucks.

As soon as it happens we can get back to using Ryder forward and more match-up related selection of the two rucks (as opposed to being forced into playing Bellchambers as a forward because he isn't good enough to play in the ruck). When we finally get a combination of a hard leading forwardline which includes Ryder more than it doesn't we'll have more freedom to include Gumby and use Crameri as a flanker to strike a combination that helps every one to perform better.

But that's just because White is a poor man's Gumbleton and by next year will be an even poorer man's Daniher.

 

[calyam]

You're kidding aren't you?

I lived in Sydney for five years and saw countless Swans games live. White was the worst player I've seen get games consistently. To relate it to Essendon, White was the Sydney equivalent of Courtney Johns.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I lived in Sydney for five years and saw countless Swans games live. White was the worst player I've seen get games consistently. To relate it to Essendon, White was the Sydney equivalent of Courtney Johns.

Surely there weren't other clubs who said Johns would be an acceptable back up ruckman though.

White is a forward only. A shit forward to be sure, but a forward. Not a ruckman, never a ruckman.

 

[BrunoV]

His form over 5 years is irrelevant. He seems to have matured significantly this year.