Playing list - Average height Decimated

[BlackGoanna]

To try and bring a conclusion to the height debate.

Carlton average height has been decimated, or should I say decimetered, mircrometered or nanometered.

Our average height on the playing list has reduced by 200 micrometers

That represents a whopping 0.2 of the milimeter.

Gee, not only did we get rid of Fevola, but other key forwards Cloke , Hartlett and Edwards. Infact, the average height of the 11 players delisted, retired and traded was 189.36 centimeters. To be replaced by 11 players that average 189.27 cms. What is this going to do to the morale of the club, players and supporters.

Considering our average height is above the average height for AFL lists, I believe we can safely conclude that height was not an issue last year and is remains a non issue this year.

So for the sanity of the genuine posters and respect of the recruiting department lets wait a few years to see if these new additions 'can actually play football'.

The Fevola incident aside.

Based on the clubs objective of selecting best available footballers, rather than percieved needs, I have every confidence we have had a successful trade and draft period.

 

[BlueTongue]

To try and bring a conclusion to the height debate.

Carlton average height has been decimated, or should I say decimetered, mircrometered or nanometered.

Our average height on the playing list has reduced by 200 micrometers

That represents a whopping 0.2 of the milimeter.

Gee, not only did we get rid of Fevola, but other key forwards Cloke , Hartlett and Edwards. Infact, the average height of the 11 players delisted, retired and traded was 189.36 centimeters. To be replaced by 11 players that average 189.27 cms. What is this going to do to the morale of the club, players and supporters.

Considering our average height is above the average height for AFL lists, I believe we can safely conclude that height was not an issue last year and is remains a non issue this year.

So for the sanity of the genuine posters and respect of the recruiting department lets wait a few years to see if these new additions 'can actually play football'.

The Fevola incident aside.

Based on the clubs objective of selecting best available footballers, rather than percieved needs, I have every confidence we have had a successful trade and draft period.

Since when has height been the whole debate?
I thought the initial arguments were about lack of KPP recruiting?

Leo Barry was only 184cm at full back.

 

[Salaryman]

I reckon our KPP stocks are fine, the question is depth, and a few to develop in the magoos...we answered that, while still using senior list spots (once read somewhere a $300k plus investment) on blokes who are a good chance to forge an AFL career and stay on the list.

What's the problem??

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

To try and bring a conclusion to the height debate.

Carlton average height has been decimated, or should I say decimetered, mircrometered or nanometered.

Our average height on the playing list has reduced by 200 micrometers

That represents a whopping 0.2 of the milimeter.

Gee, not only did we get rid of Fevola, but other key forwards Cloke , Hartlett and Edwards. Infact, the average height of the 11 players delisted, retired and traded was 189.36 centimeters. To be replaced by 11 players that average 189.27 cms. What is this going to do to the morale of the club, players and supporters.

Considering our average height is above the average height for AFL lists, I believe we can safely conclude that height was not an issue last year and is remains a non issue this year.

Each time i see posts like this, I cant help but respond because it is lacking in so many fundamentals.

People haven't been arguing draft centimeters, people have been arguing in investing high quality draft picks (1-16 or 1-25) in quality talls like they have invested quality picks on mids and rucks.

We all know the odds of a rookie making it (low/very low) and we all know the odds of a KPP rookie making it ...EVEN LOWER. Yes, some do, but based on real life probability..very low!

Your post only sidetracks the real argument into a debate on centremeters which has nothing to do with anything.

Splendini et all at least make a good point on best available vs needs, and Lucas being a better player and having more chance of making it over Talia. That is a decent argument and is valid.

 

[Salaryman]

Splendini et all at least make a good point

Good lord.........




you almost got back on the Christmas card list.....













almost

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Good lord.........




you almost got back on the Christmas card list.....













almost

Instead of a card, I'd ask for your top 50 list but you already sent it to my other bigfooty account

 

[BlueTongue]

I reckon our KPP stocks are fine, the question is depth, and a few to develop in the magoos...we answered that, while still using senior list spots (once read somewhere a $300k plus investment) on blokes who are a good chance to forge an AFL career and stay on the list.

What's the problem??

My problem WAS with CHB. Other than Waite, we haven't had anyone to truly 'own' the position, just fill ins. Bower is not a CHB IMHO (It will be interesting to see if he actually plays a game there with a full strength backline), and Austin hasn't shown that much (yes he has had some good moments and he is still developing) to be put there full-time YET. This may change in 2010 and hopefully he can settle there so Waite can stabilize our forward line.

This is all I have to say on the matter, it's just my opinion and I don't want to be drawn in to another 100 page debate on the issue as all drafts are now finished for this year, and I'm not going to speculate on what might have been.

 

[Pafloyul]

It's interesting though that the level of angst over our selections is confined to a rather small sample here, yet externally it is quite different.

It largely smacks of perceptions rather than facts.
The amount of friends that have had a go at me over our selections of mids is mounting almost daily (inclusive of fellow Carlton supporters), yet here a more sound assessment prevails.

An average height really accounts for nothing as it is the quality of the stock that is of far more importance.

I tabled out a rough assessment last week as to our average player age. (before rookie selections)
The interesting fact (yes, my fact) here was that our best 22 was of considerably lower average age than against our overall list average age.
I doubt there would be another club that this would work for.

So what does this tell me: We are in for a long and pleasurable ride. Hang on all.

This forum is full of irony. Yes, some of us are like a broken record but most are only trying to make a point. The one you have just made does not have to be confined to our entire list. In fact, if it was you could argue that the point had been missed.

Despite all the angst this is not about the possibility of Carlton failing miserably but rather a more subtle idea of the side perhaps having a missing ingredient against the very best sides when our 'time' comes.

Yes we have improved our stocks, yes I'm looking forward to next year but I don't need all the control freaks patrolling about just because I have a niggle.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

My problem WAS with CHB. Other than Waite, we haven't had anyone to truly 'own' the position, just fill ins. Bower is not a CHB IMHO (It will be interesting to see if he actually plays a game there with a full strength backline), and Austin hasn't shown that much (yes he has had some good moments and he is still developing) to be put there full-time YET. This may change in 2010 and hopefully he can settle there so Waite can stabilize our forward line.

This is all I have to say on the matter, it's just my opinion and I don't want to be drawn in to another 100 page debate on the issue as all drafts are now finished for this year, and I'm not going to speculate on what might have been.

Trouble is bluetongue, this will kick it off again because you stated your opinion - now others have to state theirs lol. In their reply they will call you a name, or make a silly point and you will need to reply and so forth, and so on.

Sharpen pencils!

 

[Salaryman]

Instead of a card, I'd ask for your top 50 list but you already sent it to my other bigfooty account

I haven't PM'ed it to anyone

and duly reported to the mods

 

[BlackGoanna]

Since when has height been the whole debate?
I thought the initial arguments were about lack of KPP recruiting?

Leo Barry was only 184cm at full back.

4 key position out, 4 key position in. Dosent matter which way you want to spin it.

And yes we have picked up a couple of 184 cm players that could develop into key position roles. See Marcus Davies at 188cm.

 

[Salaryman]

My problem WAS with CHB. Other than Waite, we haven't had anyone to truly 'own' the position, just fill ins. Bower is not a CHB IMHO (It will be interesting to see if he actually plays a game there with a full strength backline), and Austin hasn't shown that much (yes he has had some good moments and he is still developing) to be put there full-time YET. This may change in 2010 and hopefully he can settle there so Waite can stabilize our forward line.

This is all I have to say on the matter, it's just my opinion and I don't want to be drawn in to another 100 page debate on the issue as all drafts are now finished for this year, and I'm not going to speculate on what might have been.

Austin has shown more than Talia, at a higher level, and Talia didn't show me anything to suggest he was a better prospect at CHB than Austin, over and above that, consider you would have given up Lucas to go down that path, for a bloke that may or may not be better than Austin. Other than that we passed on Fitzpatrick and Craig. Donaldson is as athletic as any speculative tall taken after pick 25 and could be developed as either a CHB/CHF in the ants.

 

[Salaryman]

This forum is full of irony. Yes, some of us are like a broken record but most are only trying to make a point. The one you have just made does not have to be confined to our entire list. In fact, if it was you could argue that the point had been missed.

Despite all the angst this is not about the possibility of Carlton failing miserably but rather a more subtle idea of the side perhaps having a missing ingredient against the very best sides when our 'time' comes.

Yes we have improved our stocks, yes I'm looking forward to next year but I don't need all the control freaks patrolling about just because I have a niggle.

Why isn't Austin your missing ingredient??? Sometimes you just pick the best talent and back in the talent you already have. It's not like Austin wasn't highly regarded. You keep looking for a diamond in the rough, if you were recruiting with this philosophy, you'd decimate the list to find the one next Adam Goodes

 

[BlackGoanna]

We all know the odds of a rookie making it (low/very low) and we all know the odds of a KPP rookie making it ...EVEN LOWER. Yes, some do, but based on real life probability..very low!

Your post only sidetracks the real argument into a debate on centremeters which has nothing to do with anything.

Splendini et all at least make a good point on best available vs needs, and Lucas being a better player and having more chance of making it over Talia. That is a decent argument and is valid.

Have you taken the time to think about how many rookies we have promoted over the last few years. Gee - and Jacobs, Jamison, OHailpin are a couple of key rookies promoted.

My post was a piss-take that has seemed to hit a nerve.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Have you taken the time to think about how many rookies we have promoted over the last few years. Gee - and Jacobs, Jamison, OHailpin are a couple of key rookies promoted.

My post was a piss-take that has seemed to hit a nerve.

Damn.

I'm all for pisstakes - carry on

 

[BlackGoanna]

Damn.

I'm all for pisstakes - carry on

Yield ........

 

[chaser1]

Its becoming tiresome this height ,kpp point. Talls wont kick goals if they are not good enough.Simple. The problem here lies in the fact that we relied on FEV quite a lot. The jury is out still, to see the potential we have can actually relate to reality and we can get goalkickers consistently to win us games and improve.

This is going to rely on how quickly these kids develop, which in turn relies on our coaching staff. Apart from A fit and firing waite and betts, the rest of our new developed forward line has not proven nothing yet. Yes there is loads of potential, but it must be shown on the field. I mean young kids like henderson and kreuzer are still learning the game, let alone being Consistent goalkickers. I have faith that in time we will develop a consistent bunch of players, more than one, that will kick us winning scores. Time will tell.

 

[BlackGoanna]

Its becoming tiresome this height ,kpp point. Talls wont kick goals if they are not good enough.Simple. The problem here lies in the fact that we relied on FEV quite a lot. The jury is out still, to see the potential we have can actually relate to reality and we can get goalkickers consistently to win us games and improve.

This is going to rely on how quickly these kids develop, which in turn relies on our coaching staff. Apart from A fit and firing waite and betts, the rest of our new developed forward line has not proven nothing yet. Yes there is loads of potential, but it must be shown on the field. I mean young kids like henderson and kreuzer are still learning the game, let alone being Consistent goalkickers. I have faith that in time we will develop a consistent bunch of players, more than one, that will kick us winning scores. Time will tell.

Yes and posters seem to think that the Fevola incident was WH doing as an adequate replacment was not sought at the high end of the draft.

 

[BlueYoss]

Infact, the average height of the 11 players delisted, retired and traded was 189.36 centimeters. To be replaced by 11 players that average 189.27 cms.

That represents a whopping 0.2 of the milimeter.

????

 

[The Toad]

Before this turns into another bulls##t "need this/need that" and "didn't get this/ should of got that" thread.

Chill out people have a bit of faith.

 

[Salaryman]

No idea what you're on about

You're certainly not the lone ranger there kimosabe