Opinion Playing out of position

[Blue Dangerfield]

Been on the bandwagon for Tuohy to move forward since early last year.... However, he has shown bright signs the past two weeks.

Do not move Yarran down back - two of the three amigos are working so well together and it'll only get better when Betts finds some form following injury.

Happy with where Malthouse played his team on Saturday night.

Don't necessarily need all three in the forward line, but all three are very damaging forward of centre. Wouldn't be against having two of them up forward while they rotate to a wing, midfield defensive role.

The problem with having all three of them forward is if we are losing clearances then they are basically out of the game. The around the ground pressure they can provide shouldn't be limited to our forward line IMO.

 

[HARKER]

FWIW, Hendo to CHF.......it's were he belongs.

We have a number that should......repeat....should be able to fill a role down back. As I said in Hendo's thread.....in Mick can get Maxwell to become a class defender, surely there is hope for one of Watson, Laidler, McCarthy.

Other than that we will get used to players playing a variety of roles - tis the way of mick.

I just can't see Henderson going forward for this year at least as much as I'd like it to be the case.
McCarthy and Watson will duel it out at VFL level for the large part of the year and then we have the whole pre-season to get one of them into the mix.

As much as Rowe and Casboult may try they're just not quick nor sharp enough to take full advantage of Yarran and co. streaming by. Henderson can.

Still see Malthouse working his game-plan dependent on the personnel he has. Think he may have liked the look of speed and confidence after Saturday night

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Don't necessarily need all three in the forward line, but all three are very damaging forward of centre. Wouldn't be against having two of them up forward while they rotate to a wing, midfield defensive role.

The problem with having all three of them forward is if we are losing clearances then they are basically out of the game. The around the ground pressure they can provide shouldn't be limited to our forward line IMO.

Have to agree with that, Garlett's spending more time in the mid & looking great. Betts was also great pinch hitting in the mid during the pre season. Surely Yarran would go alright in there too. Keep on rotating them through

 

[gbatman]

Fevola and Dunstall send their regards.

Good to see I can go away for a while and come back, and things haven't really changed.

FWIW, Hendo to CHF.......it's were he belongs.

The arguements against his body strength - it doesn't seem to be an issue in defence.......are the defenders he will play on any better or bigger than the forwards he wrestles now?
His marking has improved. Granted it could still improve further, but he is good on the lead, reads the game well, and is one of the best users of the ball we have in our team - kicking at goal or at team mates. He is a different player than what he was 2 years ago. Confident, bigger, smarter.

We have a number that should......repeat....should be able to fill a role down back. As I said in Hendo's thread.....in Mick can get Maxwell to become a class defender, surely there is hope for one of Watson, Laidler, McCarthy.

Other than that we will get used to players playing a variety of roles - tis the way of mick.

They were full forwards and generally played deep out of the goal square. A "lead up" forward is a player like Nick Riewoldt who has often in the past, lead up outside 50 out onto the wings and gone on long searching leads that has seen him take countless marks a long way from goal. Massive difference between this and what you think a lead up forward is. A leading forward is perhaps what you were thinking.

Him not being overly strong is not always an issue in defence because it's easier to play off an opponent or hold an opponent and spoil them and interfere enough to bring it to ground than it is to actually shift a player/push off a player/take body impact and out mark them.

His marking is ok but if you want to be a forward at that level it needs to be better than ok. Henderson to me comes across as a player who is easy to spoil or force him to spill it. He's been excellent at CHB and combining with Jamison very well so far and they have dealt with some quality opponents so far.

Any move which sees Henderson moved from defence is a move that will weaken our defence. It is a pointless move with a surplus of tall forwards on our list who are, like Henderson, just ok honest tall forwards. I am a believer that a strong defence is more important than a strong forward line. Henderson has an ability to beat top class CHFs, run with the ball and uses it very well and has been in great touch. It would rob our defensive end of far too much and we would gain far too little in doing so.

McCarthy is not any where near the quality Henderson is and nor has he suggested that he's ready to consistently step up to AFL level. Watson is a reasonable option but not as good as Henderson yet. Laidler is far too undersized and we can not go back to a team with undersized key defenders.

End of the day, if a player is an ok forward and a very good CHB, it's just plain common sense where he should play.

 

[The_Wookie]

Henderson is a core part of our defence. Get used to it.

 

[Blue Dangerfield]

Have to agree wook.

If he can keep up his rate of improvement then by the end of the year he will be in the midst of all australian discussions as a centre half back. (he must continue to improve tho)

 

[Silvagnis]

Henderson is a core part of our defence. Get used to it.

Or we could use him as a swingman like Waite, SOS, Dorotich and Harry Taylor. The last player is the flavour of the month after kicking four goals in the last two games.

It's complete and utter crap that Henderson isn't big enough to play forward. Lachie looked terrific against Norf last year before he was sent back. Showed enough against the Pies with his ability to send Reid the wrong way and slice a pass to Jeffy. Terrific leadership to just go back and kick the goal after showing the speed to get off Russell.

 

[Blue since 72]

I just can't see Henderson going forward for this year at least as much as I'd like it to be the case.
McCarthy and Watson will duel it out at VFL level for the large part of the year and then we have the whole pre-season to get one of them into the mix.

As much as Rowe and Casboult may try they're just not quick nor sharp enough to take full advantage of Yarran and co. streaming by. Henderson can.

Still see Malthouse working his game-plan dependent on the personnel he has. Think he may have liked the look of speed and confidence after Saturday night

Think this is a key pointer to how Mick will set up once he's assessed who he needs to assess. Always remember him saying in an interview during his Collingwood days that his plan was always tailored to the type of players he had.

And just on Hendo, I just don't see why he would need to play forward. It's not like we can't kick a winning score and we have a bunch of tall forward candidates we need to give opportunity to.

At this point in the season we'd be robbing peter to pay paul. If a Watson (who is really the only obvious option) was to suddenly be playing the type of football that demanded he be selected than fine but he's a way off that.

 

[T2B_]

Or we could use him as a swingman like Waite, SOS, Dorotich and Harry Taylor. The last player is the flavour of the month after kicking four goals in the last two games.

It's complete and utter crap that Henderson isn't big enough to play forward. Lachie looked terrific against Norf last year before he was sent back. Showed enough against the Pies with his ability to send Reid the wrong way and slice a pass to Jeffy. Terrific leadership to just go back and kick the goal after showing the speed to get off Russell.

Agree with this.

I mean sure we don't want to see players switched between positions so madly that they never settle properly, but Hendo looks comfortable either end these days.

More than happy to use him primarily down back as he has been very very handy there but if ever the need arises or he doesn't have a suitable match-up down back, send him forward I say.

 

[gbatman]

The swing man idea is good but in reality it is something that we will probably have the luxury of being able to do against lesser sides without the height up forward and not the better teams who have the tall timber up front. Against Collingwood we had the luxury of being able to send him between defense and attack after Lynch was forced to ruck all day. Generally in games that really count, I feel that he will predominantly play defense.

And yes he did look good against North last year, taking marks outside the 50 against a middle of the road team with an uninspiring defensive spine. Nothing wrong with a tall forward taking marks up the ground out of their range, the Eagles did it against us the other night a lot, got them nowhere. But is can break the lines and open things up for the deeper tall forward. But We have players who can do this already. End of the day it's something that hardly hurts the opposition and hasn't got a great deal of impact on games.

 

[Dramoth]

I finally got around to finishing what I started

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/playing-out-of-position.1000036/#post-27846310

 

[GoBlues!]

Wouldn't mind seeing Laidler tried up forward at some stage.

 

[Yubby]

Can you imagine the run from the backline with both Walker and Yarran playing off the back flank. Would be pretty special!

 

[T2B_]

Can you imagine the run from the backline with both Walker and Yarran playing off the back flank. Would be pretty special!

Is that you Bruce??

 

[Faz 2000]

Henderson is a core part of our defence. Get used to it.

This. So much this. I'd rather have a patchwork forward line than backline.

Jamo-Hendo is a 1-2 foundation for the back half and whole team. We aren't getting torn apart by big forwards any more, and we have a plan B if either is getting beaten.

 

[thylacine60]

I wouldn't mind seeing Tom Bell back pocket or Half Back Flank. Tough nut down back is always handy.

Would worry about his disposal from there.

 

[Omega Blue]

guys in the back line need long penetrating kicks, keep bell, robinson and curnow far away form the backline, they do damage in the centre.

 

[ODNBlue]

Wouldn't mind seeing Laidler tried up forward at some stage.

You should get along to the twos then... they appear to be testing exactly that thought.

 

[Blue since 72]

guys in the back line need long penetrating kicks, keep bell, robinson and curnow far away form the backline, they do damage in the centre.

This is a statement of truth.

 

[gbatman]

Would worry about his disposal from there.

And the fact that he's slow and even slower off the mark.

 

[gbatman]

guys in the back line need long penetrating kicks, keep bell, robinson and curnow far away form the backline, they do damage in the centre.

Bell and Robinson are fairly long kicks, Robinson was one of few players last year that when he kicked long actually kicked long to advantage. Just lack some accuracy by foot is all.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I like Hendo as a defender, but would also entertain him switching ends with Hammer.

I said it before the season started, but Hampson is very athletic, tall and has a strong body. His kicking lets him down, and sometimes his marking technique isnt perfect (he has been a bit flat handed sometimes). What better position for someone with these attributes than CHB where you dont always have to mark....a fist away is sometimes the better alternative.

I like Robinson as a defensive forward...particularly pointing to his job on Fletcher.

Im happy with how we are playing White....and can see laidler in a similar role. I think Laidler is important as a back line player, as he is a general, and gives great leadership (however it seems Jamison has stepped up to fill that role so far this season). I think he is a dangerous player....and one of our best pickups in recent times (assuming he can overcome his injury)

 

[HBF]

Ellard - back pocket

That could work - not sure how Ellard would go if he had to stand someone like a Betts or Garlett.
Could be exposed by the small pacy forwards.

 

[slashin_velvet]

That could work - not sure how Ellard would go if he had to stand someone like a Betts or Garlett.
Could be exposed by the small pacy forwards.

Id love to see ellard clean up that dirtbag Milne

 

[Silvagnis]

The swing man idea is good but in reality it is something that we will probably have the luxury of being able to do against lesser sides without the height up forward and not the better teams who have the tall timber up front. Against Collingwood we had the luxury of being able to send him between defense and attack after Lynch was forced to ruck all day. Generally in games that really count, I feel that he will predominantly play defense.

I'll be disappointed if Watson doesn't develop and take the power KPF by playing CHB. Might lack the speed off the mark to play deep, but he'd be better at CHB or taking the really big forwards. Speed is OK once he's up and running.

And yes he did look good against North last year, taking marks outside the 50 against a middle of the road team with an uninspiring defensive spine. Nothing wrong with a tall forward taking marks up the ground out of their range, the Eagles did it against us the other night a lot, got them nowhere. But is can break the lines and open things up for the deeper tall forward. But We have players who can do this already. End of the day it's something that hardly hurts the opposition and hasn't got a great deal of impact on games.

You can't have it both ways. Nice spin after Henderson kicked three goals against Geelong and Hawthorn in 2011. Won't be the monster like Cloke, but we still lack a hard running CHF to be that target between the fifty metre arcs. Rowe might this player, but he still needs to build his fitness and second efforts to match the likes of Henderson and Kreuzer. Henderson and Kreuzer just so clean below his knees. McCarthy could be a wildcard in this role.

Henderson's pass to the leading Hampson was brilliant.

Ideal forwardline would be Henderson at CHF and Hampson forward/ruck with Casboult or Mitchell the beast who plays closer to goal. Squida is just a deadeye in front of goal. Has the right number.