POD's

[Lums23]

That's my reason, if previous season's history is anything to go by.

I don't get it. They aren't going to be suspended during the year? The only two essendon players worry picking are Watson and Heppell and having it hasn't over their heads hasn't really effected them in the past if that's what you mean

 

[PoopingHindi]

That's my reason, if previous season's history is anything to go by.

if the last few rounds are any indication then they actually play better with the threat of suspension hanging over their heads.

 

[grouse mate]

I don't get it. They aren't going to be suspended during the year? The only two essendon players worry picking are Watson and Heppell and having it hasn't over their heads hasn't really effected them in the past if that's what you mean

Can't agree, 2013 the side went backwards at a rate of knots when this stuff first took off, lost 5 of their last 6.

 

[Lums23]

Can't agree, 2013 the side went backwards at a rate of knots when this stuff first took off, lost 5 of their last 6.

It did for the team, but not for Watson so much from memory. Heppell I would back to keep scoring well too. The rest of the bombers should be PODs anyway, they aren't worth picking

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

It did for the team, but not for Watson so much from memory. Heppell I would back to keep scoring well too. The rest of the bombers should be PODs anyway, they aren't worth picking

Goddard disagrees.

 

[HTPunter]

Can't agree, 2013 the side went backwards at a rate of knots when this stuff first took off, lost 5 of their last 6.

Watson averaged 113.6 in that time anyway, coming off a broken collarbone. Plus they were under pressure right from the start of 2013, remember the Fremantle game when the pressure first rose re: Hirds job...it was well before they lost 5 of their last 6.

 

[HTPunter]

Leigh Montagna could be a decent POD. Thoughts?

Maybe as an M8, but with Ablett, Rockliff, Sloane, Parker have dropped/all going to drop in price soom massively, Selwood, Priddis, Beams, Parker and Kennedy cheap, and Fyfe + Mundy + Neale...I don't see room for him, even as a POD - you'd be losing too many points.

edit: Armitage too, Pendlebury...too many guys there who you can get cheap or get 115+ average for Montagna I think...

 

[Amazing Bombers]

Leigh Montagna could be a decent POD. Thoughts?

Good call, maybe Armitage might be worth a look as well. Averaging 120 just quietly , although 590k is a lot to pay with all these proven premiums going down.

 

[Lums23]

Goddard disagrees.

Damn I was hoping I didn't forget someone

 

[David Szabo]

Good call, maybe Armitage might be worth a look as well. Averaging 120 just quietly , although 590k is a lot to pay with all these proven premiums going down.

Where a premo drops in price there is a reason, when they start getting too old and their scores are dropping this is the time to decide if their day in supercoach is done,start to fade them out of supercoach relevancee. This is the time you need to let go and jump on the new Premo's as they evolve. The likes of Armitage and Mundy have been in the system a while now and are doing what Jordan Lewis did last season. If you need to jump on these guys for your team its worth the gamble. I personally dont have Armitage but I rate him. I have Mundy and have have since Round 2. These guys are getting the job done, but alot of people are too hesitant to try them and want to go for the Proven Premos, which doesnt always provide the expected result. This year seems the perfect year to think outside the square, dont always go your fallen premo as an option as they have fallen for a reason, the only one likely to come back to form will be Rockliff, though Ablett and Sloane should be ok too. Steve J for me this year is not relevant as a premo and unless around the 200K mark not even a consideration for me.

 

[Amazing Bombers]

Where a premo drops in price there is a reason, when they start getting too old and their scores are dropping this is the time to decide if their day in supercoach is done,start to fade them out of supercoach relevancee. This is the time you need to let go and jump on the new Premo's as they evolve. The likes of Armitage and Mundy have been in the system a while now and are doing what Jordan Lewis did last season. If you need to jump on these guys for your team its worth the gamble. I personally dont have Armitage but I rate him. I have Mundy and have have since Round 2. These guys are getting the job done, but alot of people are too hesitant to try them and want to go for the Proven Premos, which doesnt always provide the expected result. This year seems the perfect year to think outside the square, dont always go your fallen premo as an option as they have fallen for a reason, the only one likely to come back to form will be Rockliff, though Ablett and Sloane should be ok too. Steve J for me this year is not relevant as a premo and unless around the 200K mark not even a consideration for me.

I also mean in terms of Shiel being 558k to name an example, a few good options for slightly less. I'd be strongly considering if not for the round 12 bye.

 

[David Szabo]

I also mean in terms of Shiel being 558k to name an example, a few good options for slightly less. I'd be strongly considering if not for the round 12 bye.

you are right man, exactly ! There alot of good options coming through the system that people are hesitant to try. A couple of young PODS with DPP and low ownership that coulld be worth looking at to fill a void in your FWD line are Taylor Adams and Koby Stevens. Adam Schneider is another for his price at St Kilda

 

[NinjaSwan]

My 2 PODs in Docherty and K Jack have given mixed results, Docherty has been very good but Jack has been disappointing so far but I think that is mostly to do with him playing more in the forwards than in the midfield, If he continues to spend this much time in the forward line I'll be trading him out in a few weeks.

 

[MightyMark]

Where a premo drops in price there is a reason, when they start getting too old and their scores are dropping this is the time to decide if their day in supercoach is done,start to fade them out of supercoach relevancee. This is the time you need to let go and jump on the new Premo's as they evolve. The likes of Armitage and Mundy have been in the system a while now and are doing what Jordan Lewis did last season. If you need to jump on these guys for your team its worth the gamble. I personally dont have Armitage but I rate him. I have Mundy and have have since Round 2. These guys are getting the job done, but alot of people are too hesitant to try them and want to go for the Proven Premos, which doesnt always provide the expected result. This year seems the perfect year to think outside the square, dont always go your fallen premo as an option as they have fallen for a reason, the only one likely to come back to form will be Rockliff, though Ablett and Sloane should be ok too. Steve J for me this year is not relevant as a premo and unless around the 200K mark not even a consideration for me.

Aside from SJ and Malceski what fallen premos are getting too old?

Lets have a look at a selection of players that have been premo in recent years (Shuey to a lesser extent, but he fits the mould)

Barlow - 27
Sloane - 25
Rockliff - 25
Beams - 25
Gibbs - 26
M. Murphy - 27
Selwood - 26
N. Jones - 27
A. Swallow - 27
Cotchin - 25
K. Jack - 27
Shuey - 24
Parker - 22

All these players are younger than Mundy who you have in your team, who is 29.

How are any of these players past it, or getting too old, or fading from Supercoach relevance, they are all still in their prime.

Whilst they are not playing at their best at the moment, the idea that they are now out of it is ridiculous. The simple fact that they have been premo before, means that they are capable, and just as likely to return to that peak as players like Armitage are to drop off.

 

[FAILTOSUCCEED]

This is a thread around discussion of players who are often forgotten about, not discussed currently and not many are looking at but you may think they really have the ability to turn it around and become a great SC option this year.

You may have seen flashes, they may be sneaking up under the radar or you might just have an inclination that somehow that player is going to become SC gold.

We all know the likes of fallen premos such as Parker, Rocky, Barlow and so on are capable, and lots are jumping on... But are there any others that haven't been discussed much that you can see?

I'll start with a few that I am keeping an eye on:

Mitch Duncan - Looks to be freed up to cause his own damage in the middle this year
Luke Shuey - Just finding fitness and touch, priced under $500k
Allen Christensen - Was always going to take a while to gain fitness back and settle in. Had a huge week and moved beautifully. Priced just over $400k, would need to be brave.

There are probably more, but interested to see others opinions and hidden gems.

Just trying to keep some fresh discussion points moving along in this Forum, apologies if something similar been done before.

 

[stevebbb]

Burgoyne at 440k
Can't this week because of Titch and DMac, but I might bring him in next week

 

[David Szabo]

Aside from SJ and Malceski what fallen premos are getting too old?

Lets have a look at a selection of players that have been premo in recent years (Shuey to a lesser extent, but he fits the mould)

Barlow - 27
Sloane - 25
Rockliff - 25
Beams - 25
Gibbs - 26
M. Murphy - 27
Selwood - 26
N. Jones - 27
A. Swallow - 27
Cotchin - 25
K. Jack - 27
Shuey - 24
Parker - 22

All these players are younger than Mundy who you have in your team, who is 29.

How are any of these players past it, or getting too old, or fading from Supercoach relevance, they are all still in their prime.

Whilst they are not playing at their best at the moment, the idea that they are now out of it is ridiculous. The simple fact that they have been premo before, means that they are capable, and just as likely to return to that peak as players like Armitage are to drop off.

Ok Mighty Mark, I think you misunderstood me, I used age as a reference for Stevie J, not every fallen premo. I used Mundy as a reference as a POD because he is, not everyone is tempted to trade him in because they feel the need to go with the proven premos. Some of these proven players, such as Stevie J are IMO getting to the stage where they become less and less relevant and Supercoach players are tempted by what they have delivered in the past.

As an example. nobody looked at Lewis last year and a few coaches jumped on him, making him a POD, nobody jumped on Mundy last year or this year to be fair, making him a POD. Armitage this year is another, he had always shown potential but because of the way SC scores are divided per game and the team he plays for, people are afraid to trade him in.

OF the ones listed above,you have used age to argue my opinion, and really the point I was trying to make is that I feel Stevie J is no longer a premo and longer SC relevant, and people need to start looking elsewhere. and I think because you are a Geelong supporter you may have taken offence to that. If that is the case I am sorry, but the same will be said when Gary Ablett no longer becomes SC relevant, or Pendlebury, Swan, Rockliff or Parker or Dangerfield, Fyfe ETC: possibly over the next decade. Its going to happen to all players and thats the other point I was trying to make.

 

[David Szabo]

This is a thread around discussion of players who are often forgotten about, not discussed currently and not many are looking at but you may think they really have the ability to turn it around and become a great SC option this year.

You may have seen flashes, they may be sneaking up under the radar or you might just have an inclination that somehow that player is going to become SC gold.

We all know the likes of fallen premos such as Parker, Rocky, Barlow and so on are capable, and lots are jumping on... But are there any others that haven't been discussed much that you can see?

I'll start with a few that I am keeping an eye on:

Mitch Duncan - Looks to be freed up to cause his own damage in the middle this year
Luke Shuey - Just finding fitness and touch, priced under $500k
Allen Christensen - Was always going to take a while to gain fitness back and settle in. Had a huge week and moved beautifully. Priced just over $400k, would need to be brave.

There are probably more, but interested to see others opinions and hidden gems.

Just trying to keep some fresh discussion points moving along in this Forum, apologies if something similar been done before.

I like Tom Bell from Carlton as a POD in the FWD Line and with the run that the Doggies have I think Koby Stevens offers good value

 

[MightyMark]

Ok Mighty Mark, I think you misunderstood me, I used age as a reference for Stevie J, not every fallen premo. I used Mundy as a reference as a POD because he is, not everyone is tempted to trade him in because they feel the need to go with the proven premos. Some of these proven players, such as Stevie J are IMO getting to the stage where they become less and less relevant and Supercoach players are tempted by what they have delivered in the past.

As an example. nobody looked at Lewis last year and a few coaches jumped on him, making him a POD, nobody jumped on Mundy last year or this year to be fair, making him a POD. Armitage this year is another, he had always shown potential but because of the way SC scores are divided per game and the team he plays for, people are afraid to trade him in.

OF the ones listed above,you have used age to argue my opinion, and really the point I was trying to make is that I feel Stevie J is no longer a premo and longer SC relevant, and people need to start looking elsewhere. and I think because you are a Geelong supporter you may have taken offence to that. If that is the case I am sorry, but the same will be said when Gary Ablett no longer becomes SC relevant, or Pendlebury, Swan, Rockliff or Parker or Dangerfield, Fyfe ETC: possibly over the next decade. Its going to happen to all players and thats the other point I was trying to make.

Trust me you didn't offend me with SJ, the guys is over the hill, and still needs to earn his spot after his woeful performance RD1.

What im trying to say, is that there is a reason fallen premos are a much more sort after commodity than players on the rise.

To be fair, Mundy has been semi premo before, so its not such a stretch to see him scoring like he is, a few years back he started the same way before getting injured, so he has history. The main reason no one really has him is because they took Fyfe instead, and had too many other premos in the RD12 bye week.

The better example is Armitage, but 6 good games from Armitage doesn't certify him as a premo, given he has no history and as pretty and has just exploded out of the blocks. Wouldn't be the first player to do it.

The people that jumped on Hooker, Tex, Hunt, Savage, etc after their first few games, would be pretty pissed off now. The risk in taking an unproven player over a fallen premo is that you may only be getting them in there purple patch.

Last year from Rd16-20 Armitage averaged 111. The reason no one picked him up is because prior to that he hadn't cracked the ton. Now maybe that was a sign of things to come, but what if this is Armitages purple patch for the year, and he drifts away as the season goes on, he has never maintained an above 100 average before, and has had some good games, how can you be sure he is going to maintain this year.

If you look at someone like Parker, he had an off start, but has proven before his worth and ability to maintain a certain level through out the season, that gives people confidence to take him knowing he can do it, so rather than it just being a purple patch, which every player has, its just a down patch, and all good players will bounce back, barring those past it, like SJ, etc.

I would bank more on a player like Parker bouncing back than someone like Armitage maintaining, because history tells me one is capable whilst the other is merely a possibility. Im not saying Armitage wont maintain, but its a much riskier assessment, and 6 rounds is not enough IMO to start making claims on new found elite players, wait till after the byes, at least by that time they have proven that can maintain.

POD's are great to have, but there is a reason they are POD's and no matter how good they are looking they are always a 50/50.

 

[pincrusher]

I would seriously consider Jack Ziebel with his DPP status. If you take out the injury affected 4 from the 3rd round he's averaging 103, which is pretty good as a forward. The problem is that he misses too many games, but would certainly be a POD.

 

[Big Fozza]

I would seriously consider Jack Ziebel with his DPP status. If you take out the injury affected 4 from the 3rd round he's averaging 103, which is pretty good as a forward. The problem is that he misses too many games, but would certainly be a POD.

He's certainly at a good price. Loves to kick the ball which is SC gold

 

[buttox]

He's certainly at a good price. Loves to kick the ball which is SC gold

averages 95 odd a few years ago also.
not a stretch to see him going to premo averages.
he does miss games

 

[David Szabo]

Trust me you didn't offend me with SJ, the guys is over the hill, and still needs to earn his spot after his woeful performance RD1.

What im trying to say, is that there is a reason fallen premos are a much more sort after commodity than players on the rise.

To be fair, Mundy has been semi premo before, so its not such a stretch to see him scoring like he is, a few years back he started the same way before getting injured, so he has history. The main reason no one really has him is because they took Fyfe instead, and had too many other premos in the RD12 bye week.

The better example is Armitage, but 6 good games from Armitage doesn't certify him as a premo, given he has no history and as pretty and has just exploded out of the blocks. Wouldn't be the first player to do it.

The people that jumped on Hooker, Tex, Hunt, Savage, etc after their first few games, would be pretty pissed off now. The risk in taking an unproven player over a fallen premo is that you may only be getting them in there purple patch.

Last year from Rd16-20 Armitage averaged 111. The reason no one picked him up is because prior to that he hadn't cracked the ton. Now maybe that was a sign of things to come, but what if this is Armitages purple patch for the year, and he drifts away as the season goes on, he has never maintained an above 100 average before, and has had some good games, how can you be sure he is going to maintain this year.

If you look at someone like Parker, he had an off start, but has proven before his worth and ability to maintain a certain level through out the season, that gives people confidence to take him knowing he can do it, so rather than it just being a purple patch, which every player has, its just a down patch, and all good players will bounce back, barring those past it, like SJ, etc.

I would bank more on a player like Parker bouncing back than someone like Armitage maintaining, because history tells me one is capable whilst the other is merely a possibility. Im not saying Armitage wont maintain, but its a much riskier assessment, and 6 rounds is not enough IMO to start making claims on new found elite players, wait till after the byes, at least by that time they have proven that can maintain.

POD's are great to have, but there is a reason they are POD's and no matter how good they are looking they are always a 50/50.

Fair call............The one thing you have overlooked with Armitage though is the changes within the team and the fact that St Kilda look to him as a leader, he is showing that on the field and he has been doing that even with Reiwoldt on the field which makes me think they are grooming him for the bigger picture and the long term. So this I believe will be the reason why he will continue his form.

Regarding Parker, I know what you are saying because I have ridden the storm with him this year,much like beams and Dusty (round 1), you need to back your premos in, and I have but they have dropped alot on their starting price,but they have all proven in the past that they are guns.There are a few premos I will be avoiding though, Kade Simpson is another that springs to mind on my never sheet,same with hibberd and suckling

 

[David Szabo]

also forgot to mention that I have both Fyfe and Mundy in my mids, this was part of my strategy, to pick up the mids that dont get taggd though Fyfe was one I originally wanted to start with along with Ablett.

 

[karaoke]

Me holding Cripps after this weekend?