Roast Poorly skilled backline

[HeavyPop]

Did you watch the game? A hell of a lot of those inside 50's for the Swans were from repeat entries because our backline were unable to hit a target or win a contest. We had absolutely zero transition from our backline... the commentators were saying it all evening.. did you watch the game???

Yes, I did. Williams had 88% DE, Langdon 82% and Brown 80%. 3 of our backs and they were our top 3 players in the disposal efficiency category.

Williams, Brown and Langdon each had 4 rebound 50's. Frost had 7, Sinclair 4, Ramsay 4 and Maynard 3

So all together our starting 6 had 30 rebound 50s. If Williams, Brown and Langdon all disposed of the ball at 80% or over, they probably only count for 3-4 repeat entries by the Swans out of their combined 12 R50s (4 for each player), which leaves 18 coming from Maynard, Ramsay, Frost and Sinclair. Maynard went at 62% DE, but only had 3 rebound 50s, so he contributed probably 1-2 repeat entries from the Swans. Frost went at 66% DE and had 7 R50s, so he counts for around 4 repeat entries. Sinclair had 68% DE and had 4 R50s, so 3 at most repeat entry contributions from him. Ramsay 4 R50s at 68% so around 2 repeat entry contributions too.

All up they I'd say out of 30 rebound 50's from our backline, around 13-16 ended up in repeat entries, which means the Swans still had 60-63 I50s. I know that is not taking into account the possibility of a clean exit from the backline, but when your midfield is lazy and the opposition forward pressure is up, it's very hard to dispose all the ball well. I'm aware the skills of the backline need work, but they were made to look extra bad tonight.

 

[mike123]

Yes, I did. Williams had 88% DE, Langdon 82% and Brown 80%. 3 of our backs and they were our top 3 players in the disposal efficiency category.

DE stat always flatters the backline. They were horrible ball in hand.

 

[TradeDraft]

I see your point, but we got Treloar and that's not something to be sad about.

Sure Not. Treloar is a Gun and Worth what we Paid

 

[doodles98]

Yes, I did. Williams had 88% DE, Langdon 82% and Brown 80%. 3 of our backs and they were our top 3 players in the disposal efficiency category.

Williams, Brown and Langdon each had 4 rebound 50's. Frost had 7, Sinclair 4, Ramsay 4 and Maynard 3

So all together our starting 6 had 30 rebound 50s. If Williams, Brown and Langdon all disposed of the ball at 80% or over, they probably only count for 3-4 repeat entries by the Swans out of their combined 12 R50s (4 for each player), which leaves 18 coming from Maynard, Frost and Sinclair. Maynard went at 62% DE, but only had 3 rebound 50s, so he contributed probably 1-2 repeat entries from the Swans. Frost went at 66% DE and had 7 R50s, so he counts for around 4 repeat entries. Sinclair had 68% DE and had 4 R50s, so 3 at most repeat entry contributions from him.

All up they I'd say out of 30 rebound 50's from our backline, around 13-14 ended up in repeat entries, which means the Swans still had 62-63 I50s. I know that is not taking into account the possibility of a clean exit from the backline, but when your midfield is lazy and the opposition forward pressure is up, it's very hard to dispose all the ball well. I'm aware the skills of the backline need work, but they were made to look extra bad tonight.

So our entire backline repelled the ball (very ineffectively) 30 times out of 77.. so in other words 61% of the time the ball comes into our defensive 50 our backmen do not rebound it.. it is either a score to the opposition or left up to our midfield... and that's the midfields fault according to you. I'm sorry but we have a MAJOR issue with our backline.. good backlines rebound 60+% of entries.. not the other way round.

 

[Nicco_jj]

We might need varcoe to play defence when he's back.

Can't see many other ways of fixing it. We are a team of pretty bad kickers. Only way to solve would be to get rid of Ramsay and Maynard (I actually think Maynard will be good long term... Just does silly things atm) and replace with Reid and Pendles. And we can't really afford the luxury of chucking Pendles down there for the whole game.


Fact is that;
Langdon is a good interceptor but us slow and has a loopy kick...
Ramsay is more like a rugby player than an afl player.
Frost is good but his brain farts are so so bad... Like, cost us goals bad.
Brown is solid but that's all he'll ever be. He gets nervous and bombs away when he has to kick.

Williams and Sinclair I actually think are good. Particularly Williams. But I often find myself wishing he'd be chucked in the middle. He is a hard nut, and I feel like tonight we could have used him in the centre bounces and around stoppages.

However, once again, but Williams and Sinclair aren't great kicks.

So out of our whole backline.... No good kicks! Maynard can be, but his brain let's him down atm.

 

[Chronz]

Scharenberg might have been handy right about now. Poor kid .

 

[TradeDraft]

Pendles has to play more Back as there hardly any good Kicks down there

 

[100volt1]

Our backline has always been a track wreck without Reid. Shows again tonight. No Reid, no party.

 

[TradeDraft]

Our backline has always been a track wreck without Reid. Shows again tonight. No Reid, no party.

Agree and never been the Same since Maxy Retired

 

[1892]

Agree and never been the Same since Maxy Retired

Maxwell was in great form that year before he got injured; he pretty much served as an onfield coach. Between him and Heath Shaw we lost quite a bit of backline leadership in a couple of years, albeit Shaw had his moments.

 

[migz]

Langdon, Frost, Sinclair, Ramsay and Maynard are not gonna cut it this year. The back line we fielded tonight is shocking. Reid, Toovey and Goldsack should help a fair bit I think. Maybe even Jesse white as a defender. Either way changes need to be made because tonight proved how bad our defence is. Conceding over 43 shots on goal is woeful.

 

[sr36]

So our entire backline repelled the ball (very ineffectively) 30 times out of 77.. so in other words 61% of the time the ball comes into our defensive 50 our backmen do not rebound it.. it is either a score to the opposition or left up to our midfield... and that's the midfields fault according to you. I'm sorry but we have a MAJOR issue with our backline.. good backlines rebound 60+% of entries.. not the other way round.

The big issue wasn't their skill errors. Nor was it defenders getting done in a contest. The big issue was that the swans always had a clear target to kick it to, whereas we never did. The issue was general organization, structure and poor or inappropriate zoning off.

 

[Pera]

We lose the midfield we lose the game. Our backline simply can't win us a game of football.

Toovey and Reid will make a huge difference. Even Aish.

 

[Pera]

Btw Langdon is still f'n terrible. Give him the arse.

 

[sr36]

Btw Langdon is still f'n terrible. Give him the arse.

I thought he was one of the few to survive the train wreck.

 

[PieBeast]

The **** are you talking about fellas, we've clearly fixed our defensive woes by getting rid of Heater.......

 

[BEEG]

No one played well last night.

Ramsay has very good skills and a penetrating kick need to stick with him.

Reid will come back and improve it he should take all kick ins, maybe it's time to put a Sidebottom/Pendlebury back to help.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Not one good kick among the 7 defenders we named. Our midfield was to blame for the loss but it just highlighted how much our backline relies on them because they aren't skilled enough in their own right.

Sinclair and Langdon are shocking.
Brown is a shit kicker.
Maynard is a mess.
Frost is just a spud
We struggle down back.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Btw Langdon is still f'n terrible. Give him the arse.

Langdon will get delisted in two years. He is a fraud.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Buckley had no clue how to set the backline up. No lose man in defence like Maxwell equals instant smashings. 133 points scored against. Buckley is joke of a coach.

 

[HappyRed]

I really can't stand Maynard. Have thought he is useless for sometime would take Oxley over him in that position. I reckon we need to shake it up or something, Can we try Moore in back? we might do well with goldsack back as well.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Not one good kick among the 7 defenders we named. Our midfield was to blame for the loss but it just highlighted how much our backline relies on them because they aren't skilled enough in their own right.

Mike this is our biggest issue.. we need to look at replacing brown and frost not in 3 years time.. lets be proactive and go for the throat right now.. we need 2 key talls if we are going to compliment our up and coming players up the ground.

 

[Chilli Con Incarnate]

The backline was under siege so it was always going to be hard for them. That said, we seem to have assembled a bunch of role players down there, not match winners. Frost, Sinclair, Ramsey and Williams are not overly skilled players, just good scrappers. I don't think we can carry so many of these types.

Also, having Blair and Maccaffer in a team that boasts a "good" midfield is stupid. See also Witts in tge ruck and Gault up forward. We need our most talented blokes in at AFL level, too many role playing types all over the ground.

Guys like Aish might need a kick up the bum in the 2s occasionally, but you are better off playing guys like him in the long run.

 

[danielnajdek]

Langdon has gone down hill so much since his debut year. Looks a completely different player and not in a good way.

 

[Subtemperate]

We need to drop that hack Toovey. .. what? Oops wrong year.

I do think this needs to be addressed. How many years can it take to get some decent kickers who can play at the back...