Review Positives and Negatives @ Sydney Rd 13

[Brave Sir Robin]

This thread has taken a strange turn. It's like getting into a fight, losing and having the guy who beat you up hang around to tell you how he beat you and why it was a better victory than you reckon.

You Swans supporters are more than welcome here it's just pretty funny IMO.

 

[SAweagle]

We've had a very favourable draw this far. Played Richmond, the power Sydney at home and played some of the worst teams in the comp away. Played GWS when they had a crows level injury list. Lost twice to Sydney now and I feel we are a slight improvement on flat track bullies. Maybe bumpy road bully's.

Long story short we ain't a threat this year. Can't deliver against quality opposition and please don't tell me we are winning a premiership with the likes of Dom Sheed fumbling it up out there. Ab utter disgrace of a footballer.

 

[SAweagle]

And please don't bring up the Richmond game. Until I see that level of intensity and skill at the MCG against a decent team I'm not convinced.

 

[db swannie]

I find your tone here kind of specious tbh. It is possible for teams to struggle on specific grounds without it having been a fault of preparation. Perhaps it was in this case, but I don't really think there's enough evidence for you to make the claim so confidently. I also think the fact that it's been nearly 20 years since we've won on the SCG lends some credit to the idea that it's consistently a difficult ground to play on in spite of the varying preparation styles of 3-4 different coaches.

Yet Port, Crows and Norf all beat us there this season? Most of our supporters are moaning that the SCG doesn’t even suit our players anymore! Hilarious...

The fact you haven’t won there lies with you surely, not the ground itself? Hawthorn have beaten us there consistently over the last 4-5 years, yet we have the edge over them at the MCG...

To paraphrase The Bard, the fault lies not in the stars Horatio, but within ourselves.

 

[kaII]

Yet Port, Crows and Norf all beat us there this season? Most of our supporters are moaning that the SCG doesn’t even suit our players anymore! Hilarious...

The fact you haven’t won there lies with you surely, not the ground itself? Hawthorn have beaten us there consistently over the last 4-5 years, yet we have the edge over them at the MCG...

To paraphrase The Bard, the fault lies not in the stars Horatio, but within ourselves.

The blame for us having not won there in so long rests with a large variety of factors, the ground being but one. It'd be reductive to place all the blame on the size of the ground, and it's also reductive to point to our preparation as the fault. Given we've been travelling significantly better this season and just posted our longest winning streak since 1996, I think there's enough room to suggest that other factors like injuries, tactical decisions, Sydney's game plan, poor goal-kicking and a lack of comfort on the size of the ground all contributed to the loss.

Perhaps it's slightly deterministic, but at least that allows me a Shakespearian connection too: "Thou, nature, art my goddess; to thy law, my services are bound."

 

[db swannie]

The blame for us having not won there in so long rests with a large variety of factors, the ground being but one. It'd be reductive to place all the blame on the size of the ground, and it's also reductive to point to our preparation as the fault. Given we've been travelling significantly better this season and just posted our longest winning streak since 1996, I think there's enough room to suggest that other factors like injuries, tactical decisions, Sydney's game plan, poor goal-kicking and a lack of comfort on the size of the ground all contributed to the loss.

Perhaps it's slightly deterministic, but at least that allows me a Shakespearian connection too: "Thou, nature, art my goddess; to thy law, my services are bound."

Pray tell the last time a coach of any side used ground size as an excuse for a loss in a post match presser? I mean, Brad Scott complained about the roof at Etihad, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

Lots of factors go into a win, as much as a loss, but generally speaking fans find more room for reasons behind a loss than a win. Most of them are irrelevant though. When we lose it generally comes down to being beaten by a better side on the day. I think injuries are a disingenuous reason from Friday, as both teams had them. An inability to handle the ground is just as disengenuous. You’ve got witches hats, reconfigure your ground at training to prepare, which is apparently what sides do. What do you think the swans do when we play on different grounds?

Answer: we play our brand of football, same as we do every week, and challenge teams to match us. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.

 

[db swannie]

This thread has taken a strange turn. It's like getting into a fight, losing and having the guy who beat you up hang around to tell you how he beat you and why it was a better victory than you reckon.

You Swans supporters are more than welcome here it's just pretty funny IMO.

Most of us are a chatty bunch

 

[frenchconnection]

And please don't bring up the Richmond game. Until I see that level of intensity and skill at the MCG against a decent team I'm not convinced.

Well it's a bit hard to really know isn't it seeing as we hardly get a game against a decent side at the MCG during the home & away. This year we will have had only 2 games, and we will know more when we play Collingwood next month, however having heard rumours that JK could be out for 6 weeks with a broken leg (??) if true a win is highly unlikely with both of our key forwards out injured? Have a feeling the "injury gods" are at play again and honing in on a particular area, this time being the "forwards".

 

[CM9000]

We've had a very favourable draw this far. Played Richmond, the power Sydney at home and played some of the worst teams in the comp away. Played GWS when they had a crows level injury list. Lost twice to Sydney now and I feel we are a slight improvement on flat track bullies. Maybe bumpy road bully's.

Long story short we ain't a threat this year. Can't deliver against quality opposition and please don't tell me we are winning a premiership with the likes of Dom Sheed fumbling it up out there. Ab utter disgrace of a footballer.

And please don't bring up the Richmond game. Until I see that level of intensity and skill at the MCG against a decent team I'm not convinced.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

We've had a very favourable draw this far. Played Richmond, the power Sydney at home and played some of the worst teams in the comp away. Played GWS when they had a crows level injury list. Lost twice to Sydney now and I feel we are a slight improvement on flat track bullies. Maybe bumpy road bully's.

Long story short we ain't a threat this year. Can't deliver against quality opposition and please don't tell me we are winning a premiership with the likes of Dom Sheed fumbling it up out there. Ab utter disgrace of a footballer.

Overreact much?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Well it's a bit hard to really know isn't it seeing as we hardly get a game against a decent side at the MCG during the home & away. This year we will have had only 2 games, and we will know more when we play Collingwood next month, however having heard rumours that JK could be out for 6 weeks with a broken leg (??) if true a win is highly unlikely with both of our key forwards out injured? Have a feeling the "injury gods" are at play again and honing in on a particular area, this time being the "forwards".

What? When did this happen?

 

[kaII]

Pray tell the last time a coach of any side used ground size as an excuse for a loss in a post match presser? I mean, Brad Scott complained about the roof at Etihad, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

Lots of factors go into a win, as much as a loss, but generally speaking fans find more room for reasons behind a loss than a win. Most of them are irrelevant though. When we lose it generally comes down to being beaten by a better side on the day. I think injuries are a disingenuous reason from Friday, as both teams had them. An inability to handle the ground is just as disengenuous. You’ve got witches hats, reconfigure your ground at training to prepare, which is apparently what sides do. What do you think the swans do when we play on different grounds?

Answer: we play our brand of football, same as we do every week, and challenge teams to match us. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.

I get the impression we're not really debating the same thing here but for what it's worth, while I believe any excuse in isolation is irrelevant they usually all contribute to a loss in some way, and fans discussing them at the expense of giving the opposition credit is basically the purpose of this forum.

I think you're downplaying injuries and the ground as factors though. If it was as simple as ticking a box and deducting X number of goals for each unexpected player absence, then that'd be true. But it's impossible to quantify the structural damage particular injuries impart on each team. I'm not well placed to judge the impact of Sydney's injuries because I don't watch you guys regularly. But I know that our outs probably contributed to our performance in some way.

I think similarly for ground size in that there's a pretty distinct difference between running training drills in a cone-marked area and running out a full game. That's obviously the nature of sports, but when the fans of a losing team are bringing these things up it's usually not to detract from the quality of the opposition, but rather in an effort to justify continued hopes for success across the season.

 

[Ok Boomer]

We should win the next 3. That Collingwood game is really shaping up as the defining match of the home and away season for us.

 

[Monocle]

Can the Eagles please stop having babies...ffs!?
We've got games of footy to play, we need our forwards and our backs, goddamn it!
Tomorrow is another day.
no need to melt..(hic)

Can forgive them if the babies are Boys.... Future FS selections.

 

[ziad]

A bit more perspective to the kids in our forward line. JK is injured. I had dodgy seats in terms a getting a good look but chatted to a guy who had a better view and he felt JK struggled to move in the second half. haven't seen a replay but the club has come clean with what is an ongoing issue. Regardless I think most were happy with the youth and underdone players getting a run.

 

[Jootube]

Pray tell the last time a coach of any side used ground size as an excuse for a loss in a post match presser? I mean, Brad Scott complained about the roof at Etihad, but that’s about as bad as it gets.

Lots of factors go into a win, as much as a loss, but generally speaking fans find more room for reasons behind a loss than a win. Most of them are irrelevant though. When we lose it generally comes down to being beaten by a better side on the day. I think injuries are a disingenuous reason from Friday, as both teams had them. An inability to handle the ground is just as disengenuous. You’ve got witches hats, reconfigure your ground at training to prepare, which is apparently what sides do. What do you think the swans do when we play on different grounds?

Answer: we play our brand of football, same as we do every week, and challenge teams to match us. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t.

Darling was just voted the AFL Player of the Month from rounds 4-8. Not sure Lewis Melican is quite as big an out as Darling.

 

[Max zero]

We still crying about the SCG? Seriously?

 

[ChampRevesby]

Just move on ffs, this thread needs to die anyway.

 

[Biggie]

 

[kaII]

We still crying about the SCG? Seriously?

Nah, we're having a pretty decent discussion imo. Why does everything on the internet have to be viewed in the extreme.

 

[db swannie]

Darling was just voted the AFL Player of the Month from rounds 4-8. Not sure Lewis Melican is quite as big an out as Darling.

Given he’s been out since round 3 I doubt Melican’s going to get that vote. Given he’s possibly our 2nd best defender, he’s a significant out. If you don’t watch us often you wouldn’t know.

And then there’s Sam Reid, and McVeigh. And Mills. Some pretty big outs. Not that I’m making excuses or anything.

 

[FKASC]

Delete plz

 

[Jiggyman]

SCG is the Eden Park of Footy. We just kicked it to Swans players every time we went I50. Take some lessons away, reset and focus for Essendon.

 

[Max zero]

Nah, we're having a pretty decent discussion imo. Why does everything on the internet have to be viewed in the extreme.

The SCG didn't stop us from winning the clearances and the i50s. The SCG didn't make us miss our forward targets over and over again (unless our target was Aliir). Finally the SCG didn't make us miss 4-5 shots from near dead infront.

What it did do is allow Sydney to clog up our d50 a little easier. Which might of been shocking if it wasn't for the fact that Sydney have been playing this way for like the last 12+ years.

If WCE players were suddenly shocked by Sydney being strong defensively they are freaking morons.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

No Darling and Barrass.
Rusty off the bye.
Forwards had the yips.
Shuey rusty got well tagged by Hewett.
2.5 in the last quarter.
Dominated the first quarter got 1.3.
Ryan missed some gimmies.
Their half back line smashed our half forward line.
But nah it was the SCG eh!
We played like shit up forward and they played great. Makes the Collingwood game at the G a bigger game.