Possible delistings

[Stiffy_18]

Now that the trades are over and done with I thought it would be good to analyse the list and see how many changes are possible.

I assume that we will go with full list next year plus rookies. I also can't possibly see us using more than five picks. We generally go with 3-4 and leave a spot for the pre-season draft. Overall, considering the depth and quality of the draft it would be insane to have more than 5 picks. After doing all the additions and substractions I ended up with 40 players and only one delisting (not including retired player). I have also assumed that Mark Stevens plays on.

So here it goes

IN:
Scott Thompson (via trade)
Matthew Smith (via Rookie List)
Pick 8
Pick 24
Pick 28
Pick 40
Pick 56

OUT:
Wayne Carey (retired)
Ronnie Burns (retired)
Nigel Smart (retired)
Tyson Stenglein (traded)
James Gallagher (delisted)

By taking all these into account we end up with full list. With Mark Stevens its a wait and see scenario. He will be given until the last cut off deadline to prove that he has a season or 2 of footy left in him. If he doesn't come up then he will be delisted and we will have a pick in the pre-season draft.

We will get some new blood into the club (at least 6 players) but we also keep a lot of dead wood mainly due to retirements and a weaker draft.

 

[baaaallllll]

I'd go along with that

 

[mymansyd]

Stiffy, spot on anlaysis, as usual.

I think we will 'almost definitely' use our pre-season pick 5. Most clubs with picks in the first half dozen normally do. After all the clubs go through their delistings, who knows, there will - more than likely - be a player worth grabbing.

Therefore, we are currently sitting on 35 players + our 5 national draft picks (8 to 56 -- I think we'll be giving #72 a big fat miss) + pre-season pick 5 makes 41.

Therefore, we will need to delist 1 more player (Shirley? Ladhams? Massie?) or Mark Stevens retires (we - of course - may delist up to 3 players, if the Crows decide to go into next year with only 38 players).

The final list lodgement before the pre-season draft will be on December 3. Therefore, Mark Stevens - I imagine - has until then to prove his worth/fitness.

It's a long wait to November 20....

 

[Stiffy_18]

I think waht will happen is that we will only use 4 picks in the National Draft (8, 24, 28, 40) and leave one spot for the pre-season draft. If in the mean time Stevesn hang the boots up then we have 2 picks in the pre-season draft.

Really anyone that we would look at selecting with pick 56 will be there in the pre-season draft.

I only expect us to have 1 delisting (James Gallagher) plus the 3 retired players in Carey, Burns and Smart

 

[spindoctor]

Delist the worst three players on our list and be done with it.

 

[tribey]

Delist the worst three players on our list and be done with it.

Ronnie Burns (retired)
Nigel Smart (retired)
James Gallagher (delisted)

Been there, done that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Have to agree unfortunately.
Given the number of retirements, and the depth after 30 in the National draft, we'd be silly to have more than the 5 picks.

But by your reckoning Stiffy we still have to delist 1 more and 2 more if we participate in the PS draft.
A full list of 38 is mandatory this year.

That means : Gallagher, Shirley, and Skipworth go IMO

 

[Stiffy_18]

Wayne's-World, I have done this in a spreadsheet and came up with the results I have. So here it is in full

TRADES:
Scott Thompson and pick 28 ---> Adelaide
Tyson Stenglein ---> West Coast

IN:
Scott Thompson (via trade)
Matthew Smith (via Rookie List)
Pick 8
Pick 24
Pick 28
Pick 40
Pick 56

OUT:
Wayne Carey (retired)
Ronnie Burns (retired)
Nigel Smart (retired)
Tyson Stenglein (traded)
James Gallagher (delisted)

So we have the following:

1. Matthew Smith
2. Scott Thompson
3. Kris Massie
4. Matthew Clarke
5. Pick 8
6. Fergus Watts
7. Pick 24
8. Nathan Bassett
9. Tyson Edwards
10. Matthew Bode
11. Michael Doughty
12. Robert Shirley
13. Ben Hudson
14. Hayden Skipworth
15. Jason Torney
16. Ken McGregor
17. Scott Welsh
18. Graham Johncock
19. Mark Stevens
20. Pick 28
21. Pick 40
22. Ian Perrie
23. Andrew McLeod
24. Brett Burton
25. Ben Rutten
26. Jacob Schuback
27. Scott Stevens
28. James Begley
29. Pick 56
30. Luke Jericho
31. Joshua Krueger
32. Mark Ricciuto (v)
33. Brent Reilly
34. Ben Hart (v)
35. Rhett Biglands
36. Simon Goodwin
37. Trent Hentschel
39. Martin Mattner
40. Chris Ladhams
44. Nathan Bock



Count them there is 40 players on that list

 

[spindoctor]

Delist Bock, Gallagher and Skipworth.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Delist Bock, Gallagher and Skipworth.

And replace them with????? Picks 72 and 88????

 

[spindoctor]

Yes. Or two pre-season draft picks...they are all so worthless we may as well take a punt...if no one is available...redraft them...cos no one else will...

 

[Panthers64]

I wouldn't delist Bock at this stage, he needs one more year to either prove himself or be delisted.

However, I've got plently of concerns about him.

Anyone who saw him playing in defence for the Eagles against the Bulldogs in the SANFL grand final during the first quarter would understand my concerns.

On about 4 occasions he got the ball only to either panic, be caught because he was too slow or burn the ball.

The heat was really on in that first quarter and I would've expected an AFL player to be able to handle the pressure and show some class.

The pressure from the Bulldogs forwards made him look second rate and convinved me that I don't feel he's up to it.

But, I'm happy for him to prove me wrong this year.

 

[Eggzoi]

I still think Skippy did enough in his last few games to warrant another chance. I'm one of the 2 people in the world who rates him.

 

[Fudd]

I still think Skippy did enough in his last few games to warrant another chance. I'm one of the 2 people in the world who rates him.

i agree, skippy has done enough in the last month and a half to show me he is worth keeping. Before that i was the same as everyone else and thought he was a gonner, but in those last games he actually started to use his smaller stature to his advantage was quite nippy around the packs. Hopefully he with more game time under craigy he can really develop.

 

[- PC -]

Have to agree unfortunately.
Given the number of retirements, and the depth after 30 in the National draft, we'd be silly to have more than the 5 picks.

But by your reckoning Stiffy we still have to delist 1 more and 2 more if we participate in the PS draft.
A full list of 38 is mandatory this year.

That means : Gallagher, Shirley, and Skipworth go IMO

Why is it mandatory? You only go with 38 when your under salary cap pressure and with all the young names and retirements we should have plenty of room to move.

I agree with Stiffy in that you keep what you got. Will pick 56 be any better than what you already have? Unless a gun slips past 55 choices then you keep what you know and who know your game plan.

And dont mention Kemp and Heady please, they were home growns who were hidden well..How many scouts bothered to come to Perth in the 80s? The arrogant VFL clubs still believed home grown Vic talent was better. They were regional freaks who were overlooked.

 

[Leigh Roy]

Looking at the cattle, let's see what you can do, Adelaide! Should be a great challenge next year.

 

[spindoctor]

The very first game I saw Bock at AFL level I thought straight away he would never make it. Awful kicking style, ungainly running style and fell apart below his knees.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Now that the trades are over and done with I thought it would be good to analyse the list and see how many changes are possible.

I assume that we will go with full list next year plus rookies. I also can't possibly see us using more than five picks. We generally go with 3-4 and leave a spot for the pre-season draft. Overall, considering the depth and quality of the draft it would be insane to have more than 5 picks. After doing all the additions and substractions I ended up with 40 players and only one delisting (not including retired player). I have also assumed that Mark Stevens plays on.

So here it goes

IN:
Scott Thompson (via trade)
Matthew Smith (via Rookie List)
Pick 8
Pick 24
Pick 28
Pick 40
Pick 56

OUT:
Wayne Carey (retired)
Ronnie Burns (retired)
Nigel Smart (retired)
Tyson Stenglein (traded)
James Gallagher (delisted)

By taking all these into account we end up with full list. With Mark Stevens its a wait and see scenario. He will be given until the last cut off deadline to prove that he has a season or 2 of footy left in him. If he doesn't come up then he will be delisted and we will have a pick in the pre-season draft.

We will get some new blood into the club (at least 6 players) but we also keep a lot of dead wood mainly due to retirements and a weaker draft.

Possible delistings for 2004 and 2005:

Should be delisted in the next 2 years:
Bock,
Gallagher,
Ladhams,
Massie,
Shirley,
Skipworth,
Smith,
S Stevens.

Maybe delisted in 2005, depending on 2005 form:
Begley ( injury prone ),
Burton,
Bode,
Mattner ( I think this guy could make it, but 2005 form will tell ),
Perrie ( Great mark, doesn't have a footy brain ),
Biglands,
Schuback.

2005 retirements:
Clarke,
M Stevens.

That's 17 players. Yep, 2005 should be an intersting year at the AFC.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Possible delistings for 2004 and 2005:

Should be delisted in the next 2 years:
Bock,
Gallagher,
Ladhams,
Massie,
Shirley,
Skipworth,
Smith,
S Stevens.

Maybe delisted in 2005, depending on 2005 form:
Begley ( injury prone ),
Burton,
Bode,
Mattner ( I think this guy could make it, but 2005 form will tell ),
Perrie ( Great mark, doesn't have a footy brain ),
Biglands,
Schuback.

2005 retirements:
Clarke,
M Stevens.

That's 17 players. Yep, 2005 should be an intersting year at the AFC.

Have to disagree completely with your accessment.
If you delist you get nothing in return, you have to replace with untied kids, who after the first 4 picks are going to be in the 60's, and 70's of the draft.

We are all too quick in accessing players longevity at a club, based on 1 season, sometimes based upon a few games.
No wonder some players go on to become very very good players at new clubs (McPhee, Wakelins).

The deadset duds become obvious over a 2-3 year period.
There are some players you've mentioned IMO could be very very good players for the Crows with a little patience.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Have to disagree completely with your accessment.
If you delist you get nothing in return, you have to replace with untied kids, who after the first 4 picks are going to be in the 60's, and 70's of the draft.

We are all too quick in accessing players longevity at a club, based on 1 season, sometimes based upon a few games.
No wonder some players go on to become very very good players at new clubs (McPhee, Wakelins).

The deadset duds become obvious over a 2-3 year period.
There are some players you've mentioned IMO could be very very good players for the Crows with a little patience.

Who do you disagree with in my 2004-2005 delistings column??

 

[birdmanptr]

Possible delistings for 2004 and 2005:


Biglands,


2005 retirements:
Clarke,

so at the end of next year [05] we have hudson as our only ruckman cant wait for 2006

 

[adelcrows]

Bock has re-signed for another three years rescently and Skipworth has re-signed for another two years aswell.LOoks as though Shirley is still in limbo about whether he will stay still.
This is from Bock's best mate living in WA and playing footy for us over here now (Used to play for WWT) that was confirmed last week after the Grand final hiding.

Jason

 

[AngelEyes]

M Stevens.

IMHO; should retire now. won't play a full season again.

Why the re-recruition of Smith? If he hasn't made it by now....

 

[Jerome]

Possible delistings for 2004 and 2005:

Should be delisted in the next 2 years:
Bock,
Gallagher,
Ladhams,
Massie,
Shirley,
Skipworth,
Smith,
S Stevens.

Maybe delisted in 2005, depending on 2005 form:
Begley ( injury prone ),
Burton,
Bode,
Mattner ( I think this guy could make it, but 2005 form will tell ),
Perrie ( Great mark, doesn't have a footy brain ),
Biglands,
Schuback.

2005 retirements:
Clarke,
M Stevens.

That's 17 players. Yep, 2005 should be an intersting year at the AFC.

I'd keep Schuback and Begley. I can't see us trading Burton or Biglands. Turbo is an unknown. Perrie would stay on because we have no one else ready to play CHF.

The rest of that list I'd agree with. I cant see us getting much for any of that lot either.

Have we offered new contracts to Schuback and Watts?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Who do you disagree with in my 2004-2005 delistings column??

No real duds, but I would trade or delist all but the following over the next to years:

Massie - good average footballer - good 2003, good start to the season, got worse as the season went on - did Ayres get stuck into him that much that destroyed his confidence? On his day brings an honest hardness that I like.

S.Stevens - Jury out, great footy brain, good skills (goalkicking volatile), but poor agility for his size. Still has played his best games in the backlines, even for us - could go either way - 2005 a defining season IMO.

Begley - Like this guy alot - has injuries that keep him on the sideline longer than most. But is terrifically versatile, great decision maker, good pace and has leadership qualities - gets maligned on this board regularly for reason I do not understand?

Schuback - who knows Coming up to his 4th year, talked up regularly on the board, but has delivered precious little in his time with the club. May or may not make it - we haven't seen him under AFL pressure enough to make a call IMO.

Mattner - Again a favourite, like his attack on the ball and man. Needs to put on 5 KG so that the body supports his gamestyle. Is a flanker but IMO could play HF, wing, or HB. Again 2005 a defining year in this guys status within the club.