Priddis

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Oh bull shit mate.

You don't have to rate him as one of our best, but he is definitely not a "problem".

Do we lack speed, decision making and execution in our midfield?

 

[Calamanation]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

So you agree I am rational. Thanks.

You actually did quite well with your real Top 4. Feel free to comeback again anytime.

Priddis remains a part of the problem rather than the solution.

Yes, yes you are rational, as the conclusion you have come to is soundly based upon the observations you have made, that in itself however does not make it right.

The reason we won't build a midfield around him? he is not good enough, simple answer really when you think about it, had he been a 24/25yr old on our list in 04-06 he would not have been getting a game as his skill level would not cut it in a side challenging for the flag.

However, in cased you hadn't noticed, we aren't exactly flying high at the moment, the top tier of our premiership midfield has either moved on, retired, or aged out of the ideal age bracket. In this situation Priddis is an invaluable contributor to a side who otherwise would be forced to play players either undersized or out of position in the centre.

As good as Ebert, Masten and co. may turn out to be, at the moment they would get punished playing much more time in the midfield than they are currently required too. It's not even an issue of if Priddis wasn't in the side then Masten would get a greater chance in the middle, because if he goes out then Ling possibly bodies up on Masten, what is he going to learn pushing up against a man of 94kg in the centre every time the ball goes up?

 

[Juddy88]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Do we lack speed, decision making and execution in our midfield?

At times. We struggle at the clearances as well. H plays a key role there.

Who would you replace with him?

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Yes, yes you are rational, as the conclusion you have come to is soundly based upon the observations you have made, that in itself however does not make it right.

The reason we won't build a midfield around him? he is not good enough, simple answer really when you think about it, had he been a 24/25yr old on our list in 04-06 he would not have been getting a game as his skill level would not cut it in a side challenging for the flag.

However, in cased you hadn't noticed, we aren't exactly flying high at the moment, the top tier of our premiership midfield has either moved on, retired, or aged out of the ideal age bracket. In this situation Priddis is an invaluable contributor to a side who otherwise would be forced to play players either undersized or out of position in the centre.

As good as Ebert, Masten and co. may turn out to be, at the moment they would get punished playing much more time in the midfield than they are currently required too. It's not even an issue of if Priddis wasn't in the side then Masten would get a greater chance in the middle, because if he goes out then Ling possibly bodies up on Masten, what is he going to learn pushing up against a man of 94kg in the centre every time the ball goes up?

So basically you agree with everything I have ever said about Priddis. A rotation mid in a good side (at best) and a guy who simply isnt ever good enough for a key role in a good team. This groups Richard Taylor

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

At times. We struggle at the clearances as well. H plays a key role there.

Who would you replace with him?

I have previously agreed that he may be a necessary evil while the kids grow up.

My comments in this thread were because he got so many votes this week. We lost because we lack speed through the middle, we executed our skills poorly going forward and inside 50 and we made bad decisions. We set up half of the Cats goals because we kept giving them the ball in their defensive 50 and almost set up their switch. Priddis is a key player in these skill and decision errors and his lack of pace is a huge issue when the other team gets the ball - his opponent just runs forward....

As I said, a necessary evil for now but when giving him votes look at his impact on the game in total not just his effort inside and his occasional clearances...

 

[Naita9]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

I have previously agreed that he may be a necessary evil while the kids grow up.

My comments in this thread were because he got so many votes this week. We lost because we lack speed through the middle, we executed our skills poorly going forward and inside 50 and we made bad decisions. We set up half of the Cats goals because we kept giving them the ball in their defensive 50 and almost set up their switch. Priddis is a key player in these skill and decision errors and his lack of pace is a huge issue when the other team gets the ball - his opponent just runs forward....

As I said, a necessary evil for now but when giving him votes look at his impact on the game in total not just his effort inside and his occasional clearances...

Tom Swift hits the post from 20 directly in front
Lecras misses a Soda 30 out after Geelong cough it up from the kick in.
MCkinely hits the post 30 out pretty much directly in front.
Macnamara runs the wrong way, hits Brynes lace out who goals.

Thats the margin, but you pick Priddis?

Agenda much?

 

[Calamanation]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

So basically you agree with everything I have ever said about Priddis. A rotation mid in a good side (at best) and a guy who simply isnt ever good enough for a key role in a good team. This groups Richard Taylor

No, i agree that he is not up to par in a number of key areas, and that ideally, in a side in contention he would be a depth player.

However, and this is the really important bit, I very, very much disagree that he is part of the problem, because without him our young mids would suffer at the contest, our developing forwards would suffer from a lack of supply (irrespective of its quality), and our backline would get trounced by an abundance of quick football from clearances.

He is not an elite player, but the team is immensely better off from having him on the park, both this year and in the future. You're comparison to Richard Taylor is nonsense, there's a reason they didn't give ling the day off to run free.

 

[Seadog]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Priddis can't kick over a jam tin but i can't believe how Adam Selwoods absolutely piss poor kicking escapes scrutiny on this board. Rosa, Nocoski Fletcher etc all get abused for their kicking here but in my opinion Selwood is nearly the worst offender. His decision making is woeful but if you are going to kick to a contest you have to at least kick it to the advantage of the intended target, he is incapable of doing so. Why would he demand the ball running onto his left foot when he is barely proficent on his right and there are better options elsewhere?
All the reasons argued by 87 as to why Priddis is part of the problem apply equally to Selwood.
Trys his guts out, but only a B grader.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Priddis can't kick over a jam tin but i can't believe how Adam Selwoods absolutely piss poor kicking escapes scrutiny on this board. Rosa, Nocoski Fletcher etc all get abused for their kicking here but in my opinion Selwood is nearly the worst offender. His decision making is woeful but if you are going to kick to a contest you have to at least kick it to the advantage of the intended target, he is incapable of doing so. Why would he demand the ball running onto his left foot when he is barely proficent on his right and there are better options elsewhere?
All the reasons argued by 87 as to why Priddis is part of the problem apply equally to Selwood.
Trys his guts out, but only a B grader.

I think you might be judging him by his left foot kicks from today. Granted they weren't brilliant, but they were more or less what you'd expect of someone on their non-preferred side, and I think he is quite a good kick otherwise.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Here we go again.... feel free to read the other 300 posts about our offensive mid with no offensive skills who also can't tag ..... then get back to me....

His tackling pressure was ok ... again, when the opponent is almost stationary he can tackle... not so much when the opponent has any momentum....

I didn't see many clean breaks from the middle - Geelong had an off day and werent clean - I also didnt see many clean breaks from us - which is arguably Priddis job and as has been said before his only marketable skill i.e. getting the ball in close contests...

How many times today did I see us have a chain of handballs or an excellent kick to space, thinking "here we go" only to see Priddis on the end of it - surely even you would admit that almost anyone in our side is a better "final" option than the Priddinator?

He was ok today, served a purpose and wasnt horrible. I have no problem with that. I cant understand for the life of me why anyone could argue he was Top 5 - other than abject laziness.

What is horrible is that you have started a whole thread dedicated to belitteling (spelling) other peoples opinions. You dont like Priddis and this personal war you have going to highlight every little thing he may do wrong is pathetic. Every week you feel the need to either hijack a thread or create your own on how pathetic you think Priddis is.

Its about time that you agree to disagree with the majority here.


For the record - Eagle87 didn't start this thread. I moved the discussion on Priddis from the votes thread to keep that thread limited to votes, rather than what was becoming a rather lengthy discussion on a non-votes issue. <Keyser>

*EDIT*Which just reinforces my other point about hijacking threads on the topic.

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Tom Swift hits the post from 20 directly in front
Lecras misses a Soda 30 out after Geelong cough it up from the kick in.
MCkinely hits the post 30 out pretty much directly in front.
Macnamara runs the wrong way, hits Brynes lace out who goals.

Thats the margin, but you pick Priddis?

Agenda much?

Tell me about it

 

[EagleMan87]

Priddis was great yesterday.

He will eventually become just a depth player and be delisted, but that won't be for quite a few years.

 

[Winky]

Priddis was great yesterday.

He will eventually become just a depth player and be delisted, but that won't be for quite a few years.

I'm not a Priddis fan as he is too slow, one sided and doesn't have consistent good disposal skills by either hand or foot but he does manage to get the hard ball and feed it out to advantage. A better player would grab the ball make a quick decision and get it out to a player running past but we simply don't have that type of player at the moment. It will come as the youngsters develop but Priddis is essential to their development.

Having said that however, he is always the one at the bottom of the pack or tackling hard in the packs and gets enough of the ball to warrant his position in this side. While he is seen as a key midfielder the Eagles wont threaten for a premiership but his game yesterday was good and he deserved every vote he got.

 

[RoJo Junior]

E87, Priddis may be an average player, but that doesn't make it impossible for an average player to have an above average performance in a single game. Now i havent watched all the game yet i only managed to see the last quarter but are you saying that Priddis' deficiencies would make it impossible to ever make your top 5 in a given week?

 

[Eagle87]

E87, Priddis may be an average player, but that doesn't make it impossible for an average player to have an above average performance in a single game. Now i havent watched all the game yet i only managed to see the last quarter but are you saying that Priddis' deficiencies would make it impossible to ever make your top 5 in a given week?

It would be difficult.

We are a side that turns it over too much and we get absolutely killed going the other way (i.e. after a turnover). Turnovers are caused by 2 things, firstly skill execution but secondly and almost equally importantly by poor decisions - the wrong kick, the wrong handball i.e. one that might be technically an 'efficient disposal" because it went to a fellow Eagle but one which sent us too wide or towards an area that poses no threat to the opposition.

Some players take on the game and turn it over trying to make things happen and if they came off we get a goal (or scoring shot) and in some respects these error are understandable.

Priddis hurts us because (a) he always take the safe option (no threat or creativity) and (b) he still has 65-70% as his disposal efficienct pretty much every week. So if you are not really threatening the opposition and you still turn it over that seems problematic.

Secondly, his inside game is overstated. He typically plays 80%+ of game time and plays nowhere other than the middle. A typical game last 120 minutes (30 minutes including time on per quarter) and, as such, he plays almost 100 minutes of this through the middle. I would hazard a guess that he plays more time in there than any other player in the league. Yesterday he got 5 clearances - our ruckmen got 10. He did this despite not really being tagged, despite not having a specific lock down role (because he cant) and as such being completely focused on nothing but clearances.

On top of the clearances, he had 1 other contested possession. 6 total contested possessions from a inside mid who's primary role and skill is his inside ball getting ability.

He then had 15 uncontested possessions - i.e. almost 75% of his possessions were uncontested. Thats when he gets into that link up role and I think I can confidently state that none of us has much confidence when we see Priddis streaming through the middle with a decision to make taking the ball forward.

By the way, as a midfielder, how many times do you see him either deep in defence assisting the defenders (ala Kerr and others) or forward threatening a goal?

Then, we turn the ball over, Priddis' man sprints to space - Priddis cant stay with me, let alone anyone fit who can run, this is a problem for a guy playing 100 minutes in the middle - his immediate opponent becomes the release, also his presence in the middle makes running at us much easier because he is no threat to tackle anyone in the open. His presence hurts us because of his lack of speed. Just as we used to exploit teams with slow mids by simply setting up our midfield very offensively and knowing we could take them on .... other slowish mids typically survive by playing as lock down players who are really good at denying their opponent - Priddis has never shown any lockdown skills - he is an offensive mid without the usual repertoire of skills or at least one absolutely elite offensive skill (typically handball and elite vision).....

He is a plodder who to make our Top 5 needs to absolutely slaughter the other team inside because of the hurt he does to us in other areas - he would need a game with 10+ clearances, 80% DE and probably 10+ tackles for me to think he has really helped us....

People get excited by a couple of good clearances and continually seeing him inside at stoppages - then they vote for him.... thats all I was doing here and thats where I responded i.e. because I still dont think people get his deficiences, or more importantly how those hurt us.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

What is horrible is that you have started a whole thread dedicated to belitteling (spelling) other peoples opinions. You dont like Priddis and this personal war you have going to highlight every little thing he may do wrong is pathetic. Every week you feel the need to either hijack a thread or create your own on how pathetic you think Priddis is.

Its about time that you agree to disagree with the majority here.


For the record - Eagle87 didn't start this thread. I moved the discussion on Priddis from the votes thread to keep that thread limited to votes, rather than what was becoming a rather lengthy discussion on a non-votes issue. <Keyser>

*EDIT*Which just reinforces my other point about hijacking threads on the topic.

Bodz, just again, for the record - you don't understand football, you never have and you have never put together an analysis of anything that is considered or reasoned.

Your sole agenda seems to be to attack me. Which is fine but just remember that fighting with people who are better than you will inevitably end badly.

Just so everyone on the board is aware, I will now take the same approach to your posts that you take to mine i.e. attacking each and every one of them. You might want to reduce your usual level of silliness for the next week or two...

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Bodz, just again, for the record - you don't understand football, you never have and you have never put together an analysis of anything that is considered or reasoned.

Your sole agenda seems to be to attack me. Which is fine but just remember that fighting with people who are better than you will inevitably end badly.

Just so everyone on the board is aware, I will now take the same approach to your posts that you take to mine i.e. attacking each and every one of them. You might want to reduce your usual level of silliness for the next week or two...

I love it! you attack me, then you winge about me attacking you, then you proceede to attack me again... kettle pot black?

For the record if you didnt feel the need to put the focus on Priddis every single week we might start to get along better. If you continue this vandetta then we are obviously going to disagree every week.

Its not my fault that you are wrong and that you need to be told this constantly. btw, its not like I hate you or anything that I would need to single you out on everything you post, I dont even remember debating anything with you other than the Priddis issue.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

I love it! you attack me, then you winge about me attacking you, then you proceede to attack me again... kettle pot black?

For the record if you didnt feel the need to put the focus on Priddis every single week we might start to get along better. If you continue this vandetta then we are obviously going to disagree every week.

Its not my fault that you are wrong and that you need to be told this constantly. btw, its not like I hate you or anything that I would need to single you out on everything you post, I dont even remember debating anything with you other than the Priddis issue.

*yawn*

You wandered into a thread (that I didnt start) and start making assertions and they are wrong.. so you make different assertions ... you have only posted in here to attack me... you have added nothing to the discussion... just go home to your Matty doll and play with it some more

I am not wrong in any way shape or form. You choose to take solace in the fact that a number of poster agree with your irrational views, poorly expressed and you ignore everything I have actually said.

I don't hate Priddis. He is just bog ordinary and only people who don't understand football, or are lazy, would rate him a very good player yesterday.

 

[EagleMan87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

*yawn*

You wandered into a thread (that I didnt start) and start making assertions and they are wrong.. so you make different assertions ... you have only posted in here to attack me... you have added nothing to the discussion... just go home to your Matty doll and play with it some more

I am not wrong in any way shape or form. You choose to take solace in the fact that a number of poster agree with your irrational views, poorly expressed and you ignore everything I have actually said.

I don't hate Priddis. He is just bog ordinary and only people who don't understand football, or are lazy, would rate him a very good player yesterday.

So pretty much every Eagles supporter that voted on the game yesterday doesn't understand footy?

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

*yawn*

You wandered into a thread (that I didnt start) and start making assertions and they are wrong.. so you make different assertions ... you have only posted in here to attack me... you have added nothing to the discussion... just go home to your Matty doll and play with it some more

I am not wrong in any way shape or form. You choose to take solace in the fact that a number of poster agree with your irrational views, poorly expressed and you ignore everything I have actually said.

I don't hate Priddis. He is just bog ordinary and only people who don't understand football, or are lazy, would rate him a very good player yesterday.

Do you need a hug Eagle? I sence tension between us.

Its also ok to disagree with people, you have a right to do that and I dont want to stop you. Its just that it seems every week you seem to want to ridicule Priddis, mabye if you changed it up a little hey? you can bag on Rosa (ie scapegoat) this week and next week Priddis. Mabye then your posts wont be so repetative and boring

Then at least we can be friends for one week, and enemies the next.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Do you need a hug Eagle? I sence tension between us.

Its also ok to disagree with people, you have a right to do that and I dont want to stop you. Its just that it seems every week you seem to want to ridicule Priddis, mabye if you changed it up a little hey? you can bag on Rosa (ie scapegoat) this week and next week Priddis. Mabye then your posts wont be so repetative and boring

Then at least we can be friends for one week, and enemies the next.

I know enough idiots already... so no thanks.

Again, you ADD nothing, no analysis, no considered alternate view, nothing. You can't can you? Just nothing there I'd sudgesto)....

I ONLY singled out Priddis this week because the thoughtless masses again voted for him - and he didnt deserve it. That was all. But I shall await your reasoned view as to why the points I have made are wrong. In the interim I shall assume that pointless editorial comments about me are as far as your puny intellect can go..

 

[bodazoka]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Are you bored or something?

You bag Priddis every week, it might be for different reasons but its the same conclusion. I just dont see why you need to constantly fly the flag when everyone knows your opinion all ready. Its not like your changing any ones minds and its becoming tedious, especially when you start this discussion on threads that have hardly anything to do with Priddis.

Not that any of this matters, your just going to do the same thing next weekend... I look forward to your Priddis bashing then. Mabye I should just save my posts so I can cut and paste them next week.

 

[Eagle87]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

Are you bored or something?

You bag Priddis every week, it might be for different reasons but its the same conclusion. I just dont see why you need to constantly fly the flag when everyone knows your opinion all ready. Its not like your changing any ones minds and its becoming tedious, especially when you start this discussion on threads that have hardly anything to do with Priddis.

Not that any of this matters, your just going to do the same thing next weekend... I look forward to your Priddis bashing then. Mabye I should just save my posts so I can cut and paste them next week.

Get the spelling right in the copy.

Again, nothing, absolutely nothing at all....

 

[salo]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

i can't believe i bothered reading all that.
as much as i don't really want to get involved, i don't think you can call priddis part of the problem and then turn around and call the majority of posters here uneducated.
skills and creativity are a problem for A LOT of our players. every single week.
i would also say that looking interested and putting a body on the line has been a bit of a recurring issue all through the list this year, something priddis DOES NOT struggle with.

 

[placebo]

Re: Votes Vs Geelong

I'm not going to join this argument. I'll just say I thought Priddis's clearance work and work around the stoppages was pretty good yesterday.