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Computers & Internet PRISM: NSA's Internet Spy Network Exposed

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The most troubling thing about the PRISM revelations:

The FISA court can apparently issue opinions that have the force of law, but it’s illegal to publish them or even acknowledge their existence.

What does this mean, boys and girls? We now have SECRET LAWS in this country.

“Land of the Free,” indeed.
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DivideandMultiply said:
Internet giants feigning ignorance and denying complicity, sure we believe you.

Facebook is pretty much one giant data mining operation, advertising aside.
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Thats all it ever was. And did the sheep flock.

Its sad that most reactions to this are one of indifference. Humanity is ****ed.
 

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FB anti authoritarian pages having a ball with this...

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Dazb86 said:
I'm thinking it doesn't affect most peoples lives. Why would they care?
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Then you are thinking with a small percentage of your brain.

Think harder. There are companies who pay top dollar for this data.

Why would anyone let them have it for free?
 
vealesy said:
Then you are thinking with a small percentage of your brain.

Think harder. There are companies who pay top dollar for this data.

Why would anyone let them have it for free?
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Feel like explaining how it's affecting me? I'm incapable of critical thinking it seems.
 
vealesy said:
Correct.

Thanks for continually proving my point.
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What point was that again? Humanity is screwed for not really caring about this?

I am not a journalist, whistleblower, activist, protester, political blogger, rebel, radical film maker or an anarchist. I have little to no interest in politics. I really don't care if the government knows what I do on the internet because I don't do anything worth being investigated on it. Sure some guy sitting in front of a computer data mining has the potential to know what I watch on youtube, I google search, where I've logged into facebook etc but this really has no consequence for an average Joe like me. It might result in some strategic advertisement but who really gives a ****?

I don't think the world is screwed at all for not caring about this.

Give me a good reason why I should be concerned.
 

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Have you seen any films depicting a dystopian future?

Name one where you thought, gee they look happy that they are not allowed to think or do anything odd anymore.

This is massive news. The US government is spying on EVERYONE, it is not paranoia anymore it has finally been exposed. But sure, sorry to interrupt your regular programming, i will let you get back to your boring and by-the-book life.

Just remember, not everyone is as boring and uninteresting as you, and some people still value their privacy. You can offer up as much data and info to the authorities as you want. I will protect mine. It should not be their business and is a complete waste of US taxpayers money.

I'm not doing anything 'wrong' or 'immoral' either online, but i sure as hell would like to think that if i want to then i don't have to be paranoid about some spook analysing my habits and using data against me. I don't need a big brother with a big stick looking over my shoulder because I am supposed to be a free man.

You and the rest of the boring zombies might not give a shit, that does not mean your ignorant apathy should allow intrusive assholes to be all up in my business.

Go back to sleep kid. The grown ups are busy living, and what we get up to might make you squirm and feel uncomfortable. Im sure you will enjoy the NSA blanket being tucked in so tight you can barely breathe in oxygen to your brain any more.

I won't. I like to move around a bit under my blanket.
 
The thing too that this opens up, and which the govt-affiliated networks have already been proposing....is that with this kind of spying, the govt can arrest people on SUSPICION of something, before they've even done anything wrong. And, with the govt having more leeway with destroying liberties, already it's happened where people who leak/expose/complain to the media about govt things (like Snowden, or Assange, or the reddit guy, etc) are considered terrorists or enemies of the state.

Think of the movie Brazil (1984-ish). Govt spying and knowing everything, what you read, etc, they could suspect you of whatever and next thing you know you're being accused of rape, or whatever, drag you thru the muck, or charge/imprison you, just to silence you or worse (in Brazil) killed off. Obama already passed a new law allowing the Govt to assassinate US civilians suspected of terrorism. Obama already passed a new law allowing Govt to arrest people who rally at political speeches, etc.

And again, the govt can start making it illegal to listen to certain types of music, watch types of movies, types of books, etc, a la North Korea/communist/nazi nations in the past.

That's where North America is heading unless the 'good' side fights. And after Nth America will be the rest of the West.
 
Well at least gg can give an answer. Not just a bunch of insults based on no knowledge of the life I've led.

All this exposure of prism has done is pretty much confirm what everyone knew anyway.
 
Dazb86 said:
Well at least gg can give an answer. Not just a bunch of insults based on no knowledge of the life I've led.

All this exposure of prism has done is pretty much confirm what everyone knew anyway.
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Yep, its confirmed that the majority of people are already braindead.
 
Dazb86 said:
I am not a journalist, whistleblower, activist, protester, political blogger, rebel, radical film maker or an anarchist. I have little to no interest in politics. I really don't care if the government knows what I do on the internet because I don't do anything worth being investigated on it. Sure some guy sitting in front of a computer data mining has the potential to know what I watch on youtube, I google search, where I've logged into facebook etc but this really has no consequence for an average Joe like me. It might result in some strategic advertisement but who really gives a ****?
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I suppose one of the issues is that say one day you lose this apathy and decide that you are too make a stand (which doesn't happen to everyone), then government(s) having access to this data allows them to easily discredit people.

I do find it questionable that as soon as anyone tries to blow the whistle on government activities they are hounded out and treated like a criminal, yet the the government (and lets not pretend the oz gov isn't doing this to us) seems its fine to keep tabs on us.

Surely it should be the opposite - government(s) should be open and transparent. After all it is called the "public sector" and they do represent their people (supposedly) but do the people really know what's going on in there? Whilst people should be allowed to be free to choose how they want to live their lives, after all they are only representing themselves, a private entity. If someone wishes to live an open and public life that is their choice, if someone wants to live in their own little corner of the world, then that should be their choice. and these choices are getting taken away.
 

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Dazb86 said:
What point was that again? Humanity is screwed for not really caring about this?

I am not a journalist, whistleblower, activist, protester, political blogger, rebel, radical film maker or an anarchist. I have little to no interest in politics. I really don't care if the government knows what I do on the internet because I don't do anything worth being investigated on it. Sure some guy sitting in front of a computer data mining has the potential to know what I watch on youtube, I google search, where I've logged into facebook etc but this really has no consequence for an average Joe like me. It might result in some strategic advertisement but who really gives a ****?

I don't think the world is screwed at all for not caring about this.

Give me a good reason why I should be concerned.
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Rules change. Just because you might not be of interest today means **** all tomorrow.
 
stralia said:
Rules change. Just because you might not be of interest today means **** all tomorrow.
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Exactly.

The current rules or policies that determine right/wrong/legal/illegal are irrelevant.

This discussion is about the infrastructure giving the authorities access to "Turnkey Tyranny". Policies change, its the infrastructure that is the danger here.

Once the infrastructure has reached such a level, there will be no opposition or debate or even DISCUSSION against those that hold the key.
 
http://wikileaks.org/Statement-from-Edward-Snowden-in.html?snow

For decades the United States of America has been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.
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We need a new revised dictionary that adequately reflects the american interpretation of freedom and liberty.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu-nsa/
The German news magazine Der Spiegel reported Sunday that classified leaks by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden detailed NSA bugging of European Union offices in Washington and New York, as well as an "electronic eavesdropping operation" that tapped into an EU building in Brussels.
Mounting anger throughout Europe on Monday included a threat by French President Francois Hollande to halt talks with the United States on trade and other issues unless the bugging stopped.
U.S. and EU officials are scheduled to begin talks on a proposed trans-Atlantic free trade agreementnextweek.
The European Commission will sweep its offices for electronic listening devices and other security breaches, a spokeswoman said Monday.
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http://www.theage.com.au/world/putin-keeps-straight-face-as-megaleaker-snowden-applies-for-asylum-in-russia-20130702-2p88c.html#ixzz2Xq4zVVl6
In Berlin, a spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel was withering:
"We're not in the Cold War anymore."
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The end of the beginning of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the cold cold war perhaps?
 
I'm not across this situation in detail at all..but is anyone surprised with the stance the US has taken on someone who worked for their NSA, only to distribute its secrets once he finished up there? He's is talking about his own rights being taken away from him (which they are), although he may have put a lot of other people in danger by releasing this information?

The US have proven time and time again that they'll protect their own interests at all times, not sure why this was such a shock. Maybe just the extent of it was, or maybe the US allies that are now pissed off were a bit naive.
 
neroblack said:
I'm not across this situation in detail at all..but is anyone surprised with the stance the US has taken on someone who worked for their NSA, only to distribute its secrets once he finished up there? He's is talking about his own rights being taken away from him (which they are), although he may have put a lot of other people in danger by releasing this information?

The US have proven time and time again that they'll protect their own interests at all times, not sure why this was such a shock. Maybe just the extent of it was, or maybe the US allies that are now pissed off were a bit naive.
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The issue is the stance the US has taken that lead to Snowdens leak.Some people know that the reasons we're givin for that stance is complete and utter bullshit. PRISM is about keeping that from becoming public..
 

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