Roast Prismall

[windyhill]

I like Priz, but Bendigo is calling next week I`m afraid.

 

[mysainters]

We'll have him...

Fantastic player, just running around like someone very aware that if he puts a foot wrong, he is back out of the side.

 

[Longy413]

Dempsey isn't good enough with traffic coming from behind him, that's why half back suits him.

Prismall is a really good link up player. He reminds me a bit of Caracella, minus the marking and goal kicking ability, which sounds a strange thing to say. But Blake was great at finding space and linking up and I think Prismall gives us that, or at least will when we improve.

We really need Melksham, Myers and maybe even Houli to come on in the next 18 months and for Winderlich to play to potential and I think we'll see Prismall go to a whole new level.

Prismall isn't the player to take us up a gear, he's only ever going to be a good footballer. And he is a good footballer. We need others to go past him and when that happens, we'll be alright.

I really don't believe we go anywhere by getting rid of someone who we know will be a good player in a good side. That's why Pris and Dempsey should continue to play senior footy.

 

[Tambu]

Couldn't agree more Longy, good post.

 

[WeAreEssendon]

Dropped for the 3rd time this year. Is that 3 strikes and out?

I guess the coaching staff don't like the angles he's running maybe. Time to park him at Bendigo for a sustained period of time and give others a go in his spot like Houli, Howlett, Dyson, Zaka.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I think he's shown enough to be our third best midfielder.

I don't think he's going to be an out and out superstar, but I think he's going to be a good B grade midfielder and if we get rid of B graders, we're never going to be a good side.

I think he becomes a really dangerous player when we're a much better side and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Agree, although I'd have Welsh ahead of him as well.

Still think he isn't good enough to deserve a place come hell or high water like certain others are.

Put some more quality around him and he'll be fine.

 

[Longy413]

He's now officially the coaches whipping boy.

He offers so much more than Colyer.

And Dyson and Howlett for that matter.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Hard to disagree with you.

 

[Longy413]

I find that a lot

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I find that a lot

Don't I know it?

 

[WeAreEssendon]

He's got no defensive smarts and that's a real problem in our midfield. He doesn't know when to go, when to corral, when to attack the man and if he's a metre or two off his opponent then he's pretty much useless.

Great at getting the cheap and easy possession but a liability without the ball. When his disposal and decision making are letting him down then he's a real liability in the side.

He also has no gut running ability.

I don't think he'll be a part of this side in 2 years time.

 

[The Fact]

He's now officially the coaches whipping boy.

He offers so much more than Colyer.

And Dyson and Howlett for that matter.

So true

 

[Longy413]

It's interesting you say that, yet I think Stanton and Prismall are our only two midfielders that push back and help our backline.

Watson rarely does it, NLM never does it, Welsh is obviously following his man, Melsksham has never ever done it, Winderlich isn't great at it.

Stanton and Prismall have this perception of being poor defensive players, sure neither of them are great tacklers or outstanding contested players, but they are the two best and pushing back.

Stanton and Prismall also carry this tag of getting soft disposals, but they are our best at finding space. Their very strength, as soon as we lose some games is seen as a negative.

 

[anf06]

It's interesting you say that, yet I think Stanton and Prismall are our only two midfielders that push back and help our backline.

Watson rarely does it, NLM never does it, Welsh is obviously following his man, Melsksham has never ever done it, Winderlich isn't great at it.

Stanton and Prismall have this perception of being poor defensive players, sure neither of them are great tacklers or outstanding contested players, but they are the two best and pushing back.

Stanton and Prismall also carry this tag of getting soft disposals, but they are our best at finding space. Their very strength, as soon as we lose some games is seen as a negative.

This post just proves that Longy is the best poster on BF.

 

[yaco55]

It's interesting you say that, yet I think Stanton and Prismall are our only two midfielders that push back and help our backline.

Watson rarely does it, NLM never does it, Welsh is obviously following his man, Melsksham has never ever done it, Winderlich isn't great at it.

Stanton and Prismall have this perception of being poor defensive players, sure neither of them are great tacklers or outstanding contested players, but they are the two best and pushing back.

Stanton and Prismall also carry this tag of getting soft disposals, but they are our best at finding space. Their very strength, as soon as we lose some games is seen as a negative.

Longy

Not sure that i completely agree with your points about Prismall and stanton.

My perception is that the coaching staff see

Prismall - poor defensive running
Houli - soft.

Finally, Doubt that you can have stanton and prismall in the same team.

 

[Longy413]

Prismall - poor defensive running
Houli - soft.

I think that's the perception of both of them.
I think the perception is that Prismall isn't hard enough at the contest on ground balls.

Think he offers enough to cover for that though, he's fine in traffic, but struggles with the ball below his knees. It was something NLM was really bad at in his early years.

Finally, Doubt that you can have stanton and prismall in the same team.

I think you can. As long as we have mids through the rotation, so that all the work inside isn't left for NLM and Watson.

 

[Longy413]

This post just proves that Longy is the best poster on BF.

Thanks dad.

How's mum?

 

[table tennis]

how Dyson is getting played before him has me fuming.

Prismall gives us more options than Dyson.

I cant understand the amount of changes. No wonder we are getting hammered.

No one knows whether they will get a game next week, so cant build confidence.

Last two times prismall has been named in our best on the essendon website, he has been dropped.

Which is it bombers? in the best 5 or 6 or worst 5 or 6.

There were plenty worse than him in adelaide.

 

[WeAreEssendon]

Stanton is only slightly better at this regard than Prismall.

Pushing back is one thing. Knowing the right spot to push back, impacting the contest and covering a man are more important. Defensive angles are all wrong.

When have they cut out a ball going back? Gone up and made spoils. They've improved their tackling in close but when there's a bit of spread Prismall is non existant while Stanton makes a bit of effort these days.

He doesn't offer enough with the ball to make up for his defensive deficiencies. He has no penetration in his kicking, no pace and stops and props too often because he has no confidence in his running ability.

We need to see what others have to offer and hopefully their talents gel better with the team as a whole.

 

[yaco55]

I think that's the perception of both of them.
I think the perception is that Prismall isn't hard enough at the contest on ground balls.

Think he offers enough to cover for that though, he's fine in traffic, but struggles with the ball below his knees. It was something NLM was really bad at in his early years.



I think you can. As long as we have mids through the rotation, so that all the work inside isn't left for NLM and Watson.

A great analysis.

Would could be the prospective midfielder to fill this role?

Howlett ?

Great to see Colyer in the team - Has a big tank for a first year player. Hopefully Melksham can get to this level in the next 3 or 4 years.

 

[Longy413]

Pushing back is one thing. Knowing the right spot to push back, impacting the contest and covering a man are more important. Defensive angles are all wrong.

When have they cut out a ball going back? Gone up and made spoils. They've improved their tackling in close but when there's a bit of spread Prismall is non existant while Stanton makes a bit of effort these days.

You don't see blokes backing back into packs every week any more because teams won't kick to a contest unless it is in the top of a square.

If Stanton or Prismall are standing in space, on a goal post line, between 25-40 out and the forward is forced to lead wide or slow up their entry, you don't get a stat for that and you don't get a stat for that, you don't get seen doing that.

Pris and Stanton fill and find space better than anyone on our list.

If you are there on Sunday, have a look at how often Stanton does this. It often goes unnoticed because the kick goes where he isn't, but that doesn't mean he isn't doing his job defensively and that's exactly what you want from your "outside" players.

If you want specific examples of where they have influenced a contest, watch the St Kilda game. They both did it.

I don't think Prismall was dropped because of his defensive running, his running ability (which is good) or his disposal (which includes great to ugly and the ugly is more memorable than the great). I think they want him to learn to be cleaner and harder on ground balls.

 

[Longy413]

A great analysis.

Would could be the prospective midfielder to fill this role?

Howlett ?

I hope so.
He has the attributes but doesn't yet find enough footy, consistently. Goes missing, but that might just be because he hasn't done an AFL preseason yet.

He joined the club in January and by Feb you're playing games.

Myers has the potential and I'd really like us to look at Armitage, if he's available.

Finals are still on the radar, I don't think we will make them, I didn't at the start of the season. So at some stage, finals will be ruled out and I'd like to see us play Monfries and Lonergan as inside midfielders. At least see what the offer.

Great to see Colyer in the team - Has a big tank for a first year player. Hopefully Melksham can get to this level in the next 3 or 4 years.

Interesting Colyer comes in.
If they have dropped Prismall for as I suspect, his lack of hardness at the contest, then Colyer doesn't deserve a game.

I don't like using the word soft, but he's done some soft things of late at VFL level.

If disposal was a reason, then Colyer's is worse.

I was a Colyer fan, a big one. Thought he'd play a lot of senior footy this year.

I haven't written him off, not by any stretch. But I don't think he deserves a game, he clearly hasn't been judged on the same criteria that Prismall has been.

 

[yaco55]

I hope so.
He has the attributes but doesn't yet find enough footy, consistently. Goes missing, but that might just be because he hasn't done an AFL preseason yet.

He joined the club in January and by Feb you're playing games.

Myers has the potential and I'd really like us to look at Armitage, if he's available.

Finals are still on the radar, I don't think we will make them, I didn't at the start of the season. So at some stage, finals will be ruled out and I'd like to see us play Monfries and Lonergan as inside midfielders. At least see what the offer.



Interesting Colyer comes in.
If they have dropped Prismall for as I suspect, his lack of hardness at the contest, then Colyer doesn't deserve a game.

I don't like using the word soft, but he's done some soft things of late at VFL level.

If disposal was a reason, then Colyer's is worse.

I was a Colyer fan, a big one. Thought he'd play a lot of senior footy this year.

I haven't written him off, not by any stretch. But I don't think he deserves a game, he clearly hasn't been judged on the same criteria that Prismall has been.

I am assuming that Colyer is a straigh replacement for melksham, even though Colyer is a bit more outside.

Watched Colyer play against box Hill Hawks and didnt notice him to be soft in that game - I will particularly look for this part of his game - from my view on the sofa in Hong Kong

In saying that being considered 'soft' by coaches can sound the death knell of a career as experienced by Houli.

Agree that it is the time to give Myers an extended run in the midfield.

I dont share your confidence about Armitage - I equate Prismall with Armitage - over-rated cause they cant get games in a good midfield. StKilds's midfield is not that strong outside of the stand outs in Montagna, Hayes, Goddard, Del Santo - Surely if he was as good as stated he could fit into one of the rotations.

 

[Longy413]

I dont share your confidence about Armitage - I equate Prismall with Armitage - over-rated cause they cant get games in a good midfield. StKilds's midfield is not that strong outside of the stand outs in Montagna, Hayes, Goddard, Del Santo - Surely if he was as good as stated he could fit into one of the rotations.

Yeah and I think that view is very reasonable.

My rating of Armitage comes on what I saw of him as a junior and haven't seen anything that makes me want to reduce that rating.

You're right on the Saints midfield, but they've obviously gone for run to compliment those types.

They play Jones as a tagger, Peake and Ray as runners.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

how Dyson is getting played before him has me fuming.

Prismall gives us more options than Dyson.

I cant understand the amount of changes. No wonder we are getting hammered.

No one knows whether they will get a game next week, so cant build confidence.

Last two times prismall has been named in our best on the essendon website, he has been dropped.

Which is it bombers? in the best 5 or 6 or worst 5 or 6.

There were plenty worse than him in adelaide.

Dyson would be in in place of Slattery #1 or Slattery #2.

Howlett is probably replacing Pris this week.