Protecting Judd

[Alice]

Will be interesting to see whether Voss maintains his "at all costs" stance of stopping Judd on Thursday night. With THAT penalty to Baker, the AFL has sent a distinct message that they want the game's elite to showcase their wares.
Having said that, all Carlton's players should be more then willing and prepared to fly the flag for their skipper after the attention he copped from McPee. After the (deserved) protection Judd got in the first few games he played this year, the maggots really put the whistle away - hopefully they will re-open their eyes to off-the-ball scragging for the remainder of the year.

 

[libsug]

Will be interesting to see whether Voss maintains his "at all costs" stance of stopping Judd on Thursday night. With THAT penalty to Baker, the AFL has sent a distinct message that they want the game's elite to showcase their wares.*
Having said that, all Carlton's players should be more then willing and prepared to fly the flag for their skipper after the attention he copped from McPee. After the (deserved) protection Judd got in the first few games he played this year, the maggots really put the whistle away - hopefully they will re-open their eyes to off-the-ball scragging for the remainder of the year.

You forgot the "*except Carlton" clause.

Hopefully the umpires and his team mates are more diligent in protecting him.

But the way the umpires have been treating us lately I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Sublime]

Will be interesting to see whether Voss maintains his "at all costs" stance of stopping Judd on Thursday night. With THAT penalty to Baker, the AFL has sent a distinct message that they want the game's elite to showcase their wares.
Having said that, all Carlton's players should be more then willing and prepared to fly the flag for their skipper after the attention he copped from McPee. After the (deserved) protection Judd got in the first few games he played this year, the maggots really put the whistle away - hopefully they will re-open their eyes to off-the-ball scragging for the remainder of the year.

The Baker decision doesn't really have any relevance to the Judd thing. Baker was physically punching Stevie J, and that caused him to react.

McPhee wasn't dirty when it came to Judd, the worst he did was hold him down when trying to give up. Should have been free kicks yes, but as a whole it was pretty harmless.

 

[mediumsizered]

The Baker decision doesn't really have any relevance to the Judd thing. Baker was physically punching Stevie J, and that caused him to react.

McPhee wasn't dirty when it came to Judd, the worst he did was hold him down when trying to give up. Should have been free kicks yes, but as a whole it was pretty harmless.

I think the Baker decision probably does partially eminate from McPhee's treatment of Judd the previous week. Not because McPhee was extremely physical towards Judd, but more because it once again focussed attention on the tactics used by taggers on the game's leading players.

I believe the fault lies with the umpires for not free kicking taggers when they are clearly breaking the rules. McPhee continually turned his back on the ball & from a front on position wrapped his arms around Judd, an action that would be free kicked if it involved a defender against a forward, or vice versa.

I am anticipating the umpires will totally change their interpretation of the tactics used by taggers in the coming weeks & I feel certain the number of free kicks paid against taggers will escalate significantly over this time. On this basis Vossy's indication that Judd will be singled out for more attention could well & truly backfire.

 

[Scully 31]

You forgot the "*except Carlton" clause.

But the way the umpires have been treating us lately I won't be holding my breath.

Is this a joke? He never gets caught holding the ball when hes red hot. Yes, at times he gets a few knocks and bumps but he gets a good run. The match review panel is also very kind. His elbow on Pav should have rubbed him out for two weeks. You should be asking Judd’s team mates to help him out on the field like Ablett’s team mates do. When ever Ablett gets hit or bumped off the ball 2 or 3 blokes bumps the opposition back. That’s what you players should we worried about, not the umps.

 

[mediumsizered]

Is this a joke? He never gets caught holding the ball when hes red hot. Yes, at times he gets a few knocks and bumps but he gets a good run. The match review panel is also very kind. His elbow on Pav should have rubbed him out for two weeks. You should be asking Judd’s team mates to help him out on the field like Ablett’s team mates do. When ever Ablett gets hit or bumped off the ball 2 or 3 blokes bumps the opposition back. That’s what you players should we worried about, not the umps.

Neither does Gary Ablett, Joel Selwood, Jobe Watson, Cyril Rioli etc etc. In fact, I would go as far as saying the umpires are so focussed on paying holding the ball against those who dive on the ball that they have forgotten about other interpretations of the holding the ball rule (there was some glaring ones missed in the Adelaide/Melbourne game where players just let go of the ball when tackled).

You have a sheep mentality. A few in the media & many of the nuff nuffs on BF single out Judd as being a protected species where the umpires are concerned, yet just about every club has them (including your own Aaron 'five-minute burst' Davey), but you just repeat what you have read/heard elsewhere.

 

[Sublime]

I think the Baker decision probably does partially eminate from McPhee's treatment of Judd the previous week. Not because McPhee was extremely physical towards Judd, but more because it once again focussed attention on the tactics used by taggers on the game's leading players.

I believe the fault lies with the umpires for not free kicking taggers when they are clearly breaking the rules. McPhee continually turned his back on the ball & from a front on position wrapped his arms around Judd, an action that would be free kicked if it involved a defender against a forward, or vice versa.

I am anticipating the umpires will totally change their interpretation of the tactics used by taggers in the coming weeks & I feel certain the number of free kicks paid against taggers will escalate significantly over this time. On this basis Vossy's indication that Judd will be singled out for more attention could well & truly backfire.

Baker incident will have definitely helped raise awareness and i'm sure that Voss saying those things certainly wouldn't have helped the cause. You'd imagine the umpires would be keeping a keen eye on the taggings in this match. There is only so much that taggers can get away with and not that its in the spotlight we might start seeing a few things get pulled up.

 

[Koutafidamedis]

Need some hard nuts in our side to protect Judd. Which is one area on our list where we are very short on. Mitch Robbo, Scotland and....... no one else really springs to mind.

 

[Juddrockz]

Is this a joke? He never gets caught holding the ball when hes red hot. Yes, at times he gets a few knocks and bumps but he gets a good run. The match review panel is also very kind. His elbow on Pav should have rubbed him out for two weeks. You should be asking Judd’s team mates to help him out on the field like Ablett’s team mates do. When ever Ablett gets hit or bumped off the ball 2 or 3 blokes bumps the opposition back. That’s what you players should we worried about, not the umps.

So much easier to protect Gazza when all the work he does is scout around the backs of the packs waiting for the ole one,two handball out
Juddy's a work horse and not afraid to put his body on the line very different scenarios.

 

[HBF]

Need some hard nuts in our side to protect Judd. Which is one area on our list where we are very short on. Mitch Robbo, Scotland and....... no one else really springs to mind.

Another reason why Mclean was bought to the club. His hardness around the ball, and i'm sure he would have been told to get in there and help Judd out. Just a shame he hasn't been able to get onto the park this year with his persistent injuries.

 

[ballanFYNE]

He didn't seem to stop Adam McPhee

 

[blueboy25]

Another reason why Mclean was bought to the club. His hardness around the ball, and i'm sure he would have been told to get in there and help Judd out. Just a shame he hasn't been able to get onto the park this year with his persistent injuries.

Yep totally agree, when Judd was at West Coast he said the 1st player that should be picked every week should be Rowan Jones because he was pretty much the protector of Judd, Cuz and kerr.

Jones was much maligned by his own supporters because he was not the best kick and didn't look pretty but he did the job that the team required of him and he did it well.

 

[Koutafidamedis]

Another reason why Mclean was bought to the club. His hardness around the ball, and i'm sure he would have been told to get in there and help Judd out. Just a shame he hasn't been able to get onto the park this year with his persistent injuries.

Good point on Mclean must have slipped my mind due to his injuries. Really need him to get on the park ASAP

 

[Azul]

The reality is that none of our so called 'tough nuts' has the class of Judd, Simpson, Murphy, Gibbs or Lucas. Nor the ball-magnetism of Carrazzo.

Consequently it's difficult to slot any of them into our best 18, given they rank as the 7th best midfielder. Further, Hadley and McLean have constant battles with fitness due to injury, Browne isn't quick, Anderson and Joseph suffer from an inability to win their own footy and Robinson is better in bursts than as a 4 quarter player.

I'd rank Grigg above any in that group - GC rumours aside, it's a mystery why he's not given a game.

So the answer is... Make Army do some weights in the off-season.

 

[Go_Blues!]

The reality is that none of our so called 'tough nuts' has the class of Judd, Simpson, Murphy, Gibbs or Lucas. Nor the ball-magnetism of Carrazzo.

Consequently it's difficult to slot any of them into our best 18, given they rank as the 7th best midfielder. Further, Hadley and McLean have constant battles with fitness due to injury, Browne isn't quick, Anderson and Joseph suffer from an inability to win their own footy and Robinson is better in bursts than as a 4 quarter player.

I'd rank Grigg above any in that group - GC rumours aside, it's a mystery why he's not given a game.

So the answer is... Make Army do some weights in the off-season.

You don't need to be a tough nut to stand between a tagger and the playmaker to block the taggers run - anyone can do that.

 

[Sublime]

The reality is that none of our so called 'tough nuts' has the class of Judd, Simpson, Murphy, Gibbs or Lucas. Nor the ball-magnetism of Carrazzo.

Consequently it's difficult to slot any of them into our best 18, given they rank as the 7th best midfielder. Further, Hadley and McLean have constant battles with fitness due to injury, Browne isn't quick, Anderson and Joseph suffer from an inability to win their own footy and Robinson is better in bursts than as a 4 quarter player.

I'd rank Grigg above any in that group - GC rumours aside, it's a mystery why he's not given a game.

So the answer is... Make Army do some weights in the off-season.

I fail to see what the fascination with Grigg is.

He's not in the same ballpark to be as hard at the footy as McLean or Hadley, and his kicking skill is on par with them (albeit a longer kick). And for a tall mid his marking is bad. Joseph doesn't win alot of footy but is a tenfold better run with player. The only players i'd have him ahead of are Anderson & Browne that you've mentioned, but i can see why they've been given a run to play specific roles that perhaps Grigg wasn't suited to.

Grigg needs to improve his skills and decision making. Also seems to drift off with the fairies in the AFL matches i've seen him in. For someone who is supposed to be tough i've not really seen it. A bit of push and shove (a la Waite) but no real toughness at the actual footy.

Perhaps he's improved in these areas in the Ants in the past 6 or so weeks so i'll stand to be corrected, but as i have said i just can't see it. He seems to be an inbetween player. Not quite defender, not quite mid, not quite tagger, just does most things average and no real outstanding string to his bow.

 

[Azul]

I fail to see what the fascination with Grigg is.

Tall, quicker than Hadley or McLean, wins more footy than Joseph. As you say he's a work in progress. But given the constant injury clouds over Hadley and McLean, I think he's worth the investment.

A wingman who, if he can learn to temper his aggression (ala Waite) may step up as an enforcer. I think we've also seen traces of the headless emu Bower demonstrates, a certain foolhardy flair the others lack.

 

[Silvagnis]

Harsh call Sublime.

Grigg got smashed by two Power players in Adelaide to win the hardball and get it out to a teammate.

Perceptions are hard to break in football.

No one wanted Barlow who also fits your comments on Grigga.

I'd pick Shaun ahead of Hadley for the rest of the year.

Hadley can't spread and defend at all outside of the centre square.

Grigg is definitely an inside midfielder, but hasn't received any opportunities this year.

Has been injured though.

Grigga is a poor man's Gibbs who can also play all over the ground.

Not as good overhead as Gibbs.

We could play Walker and Grigg on the ball to protect Judd, yet it's ultimately the umpire's job to protect a player.

Carrazzo and Scotland can take a hike at the end of the year.

You would never see the likes of Alwyn Davey or Lloyd being allowed to be worked over like Judd was last week.

They would have received a million frees.

The umpires just sat on their hands and kept the whistle in their pockets.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Harsh call Sublime.

Grigg got smashed by two Power players in Adelaide to win the hardball and get it out to a teammate.

Perceptions are hard to break in football.

No one wanted Barlow who also fits your comments on Grigga.

I'd pick Shaun ahead of Hadley for the rest of the year.

Hadley can't spread and defend at all outside of the centre square.

Grigg is definitely an inside midfielder, but hasn't received any opportunities this year.

Has been injured though.

Grigga is a poor man's Gibbs who can also play all over the ground.

Not as good overhead as Gibbs.

We could play Walker and Grigg on the ball to protect Judd, yet it's ultimately the umpire's job to protect a player.

Carrazzo and Scotland can take a hike at the end of the year.

You would never see the likes of Alwyn Davey or Lloyd being allowed to be worked over like Judd was last week.

They would have received a million frees.

The umpires just sat on their hands and kept the whistle in their pockets.

I disagree with this. Sure the umpires should do more, but at the end of the day, no playmaker is going to get sufficient support from the umpires to give them a fair run at the ball. It is the responsibility of each of the Carlton players to block the hard tag, stand between tagger and the player they are tagging, to put them down every time they get the ball so that it hurts a bit more each time, to smash them (within the rules) every time they go near the ball, and to put in hard and fair shepherds whenever the playmaker gets the ball. Make sure the tagger knows he is in for a pretty hard 2 hours from the first bounce, tell him how easy it is to accidentally knee someone in the head in the middle of a pack or how easy it is to break ribs in a marking contest whilst still making the contest look genuine.

One thing is though, this week the umpires are going to be very hot on both tagging tactics and people trying to break a tag outside of the rules. I also think the zones everyone employs these days make it more difficult to protect the playmaker because you can't really assign "minders" in the same way they did a few years ago.

 

[Kramer1]

It's not about being a tough nut, or even going out of our way to protect Judd...it's about competitive spirit and hunger for the contest. If our midfield unit plays with the manic desire for the football that we have seen on all too rare occasions so much of this stuff will take care of itself.

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton players dragged HackPhee off Judd, but he kept coming and threw Judd back down to the ground.

No free kick.

That's what I was referring to.

The umpires need to take charge and award free kicks against players who are held off the ball.

That hack Alwyn Davey took a dive last year and drew a double goal after Thornton breathed on him.

They paid a fifty against Jamison too to gift Lloyd a freebie goal.

All the whining about Judd being a protected species is a huge laugh.

Some stars get treated harshly, whilst others draw free kicks at the drop of a hat.

Judd and Fevola would need to be hit with a sledge hammer before they were paid a free.

Last year, Brisbane supporters sooked to high heaven over the frees to Fevola that were warranted and there.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Carlton players dragged HackPhee off Judd, but he kept coming and threw Judd back down to the ground.

No free kick.

That's what I was referring to.

The umpires need to take charge and award free kicks against players who are held off the ball.

That hack Alwyn Davey took a dive last year and drew a double goal after Thornton breathed on him.

They paid a fifty against Jamison too to gift Lloyd a freebie goal.

All the whining about Judd being a protected species is a huge laugh.

Some stars get treated harshly, whilst others draw free kicks at the drop of a hat.

Judd and Fevola would need to be hit with a sledge hammer before they were paid a free.

Last year, Brisbane supporters sooked to high heaven over the frees to Fevola that were warranted and there.

I agree that Judd does not get a great deal from the umpires (as opposed the the MRP where he gets a great deal) but he needs a lot more help from his team mates. There was no excuse for the way Judd's team mates left him to fend for himself against Freo, for me, that was as disappointing as the result.
We know Judd is going to get tagged again at the stoppages and since he is our best ball winner, someone needs to sacrifice their game to make sure the tagger can't get to Judd as the ball is bounced or thrown-in. All he needs if half a meter of space and a well timed block will give him that every time.

 

[blueboy25]

We know Judd is going to get tagged again at the stoppages and since he is our best ball winner, someone needs to sacrifice their game to make sure the tagger can't get to Judd as the ball is bounced or thrown-in. All he needs if half a meter of space and a well timed block will give him that every time.

The problem is our other midfielders are chasing the same ball as Judd and not prepared to sacrifice their own game to put on a shepherd.

Unfortunately a lot of supporters only like seeing how many possessions a player has and not the 1%s that usually go unseen.

 

[Sublime]

Harsh call Sublime.

Grigg got smashed by two Power players in Adelaide to win the hardball and get it out to a teammate.

Perceptions are hard to break in football.

No one wanted Barlow who also fits your comments on Grigga.

I'd pick Shaun ahead of Hadley for the rest of the year.

Hadley can't spread and defend at all outside of the centre square.

Grigg is definitely an inside midfielder, but hasn't received any opportunities this year.

Has been injured though.

Grigga is a poor man's Gibbs who can also play all over the ground.

Not as good overhead as Gibbs.

We could play Walker and Grigg on the ball to protect Judd, yet it's ultimately the umpire's job to protect a player.

Carrazzo and Scotland can take a hike at the end of the year.

You would never see the likes of Alwyn Davey or Lloyd being allowed to be worked over like Judd was last week.

They would have received a million frees.

The umpires just sat on their hands and kept the whistle in their pockets.

Yes perceptions are heard to break, exactly. You keep sprucing the perception that he's tough, yet you just throw forward one 2 second play from a match ages ago. When i see repeat efforts of him putting his body into bad places then i'll believe it. Yes he's more mobile than Hadley & McLean yet i'm still waiting for him to dig into a pack like those two have both shown, seeing as though he's an inside mid like you say.

A poor mans Gibbs? Please. Gibbs is better in pretty much every respect, marking, kicking, in traffic, reading the play, AWARENESS.

Clearly Grigg is another one of your lovechilds, just like Dylan Buckley who you speak about like he is a part of the current Carlton squad, yet is still a year and a half away??

There must be a reason why he isn't getting a run if Browne gets a go ahead of him who also has no clear cut position when in our 22.

 

[Snoozer]

Can really see our players going overboard and attacking the taggers from Brisbane this week, and the whole scenario with the focus on taggers tactics backfiring on us. Technically, if Judd is being bumped/scragged/harrassed by taggers, most people here seem to be advocating that we do the same to the opposition, and therefore exposing ourselves to the risk of taggers getting frees.

Don't forget that we're no angels in this regard. Carrazzo, Joseph, Walker have prior form.