PS3 Burn In

[triplejdude]

Hi guys

Just got a PS3 last week, already my Dad is being a dick about it. I have it set up on our plasma tv with the hdmi cable. He says that playing the game will burn in logos to the TV and mess it up. Personally I don't think this is the case, he's simply being pedantic. Basically he's said move the PS3 to another room (to a non HD tv - just not as good) or pay him for a new TV. I wanna tell him that nothing will happen but first I need the opinion of other people a.k.a. you guys.

Our TV is a Panasonic which we've had for about 2 or 3 years and we watch it everyday, not sure of the exact specifications.

Basically I need to know if the PS3 is going to mess up the TV or my Dad is just being an idiot...

 

[Forzaport]

Unless you play it for 12 hours straight everyday, you don't need to worry about burn in. With plasmas (especially older ones) some images can stick on the screen a while. These will go and won't burn the screen.

 

[seanoff]

from panasonic

5. I've heard that plasma TVs can "burn-in" over time. What is "burn-in" exactly, and is it really a concern?
"Burn-in," or image retention, is an uneven aging of the phosphors in a display device, can occur on any display that uses phosphors to generate an image, including tube TVs, projection TVs that use CRTs, and plasma TVs. Such uneven aging happens when bright, static images are left onscreen for an extended period of time, which can leave a visible "shadow" effect.

Improvements in panel service life to over 60,000 hours have minimized the risk of image retention. In addition, screen savers, pixel shifting, and brightness level adjustments can dramatically reduce any chance of image retention. Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display calibration DVDs available today for properly setting brightness and contrast.

 

[Viney]

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The issue isn't Burn In, it is Image Retention (yes, they're different).

If there is IR, you simply cycle a Photo Slide Show and it should get rid of it.

To get IR, as said above, you would need to leave it on the same screen for hours and hours and hours on end

Better tell your old man not to watch channel 7, 9, or 10, or any channel for that matter, as they all have their logos permanently on screen now. Oh, and tell him to forget about the news in the morning with the scrolling bar down the bottom.

Actually, scratch that....just tell him he's being a dick

I've got a Pana plasma have played for 5 or 6 hours straight on it (same game so same HUD etc.) and there have been NO issues ot either burn in or Image Retention

 

[Mancey]

Was definitely an issue with some games HUD's on older plasmas. Modern panels usually have pixel shifting, which stops the problem.

Whether a 2-3 year old panel counts as a modern panel...i'm not going to swear to.

I wanna tell him that nothing will happen but first I need the opinion of other people a.k.a. you guys.

Heh...the info you get here may very well be correct. But I doubt there'd be too many dads around that would take the word of Bigfooty posters as gospel.

Especially when it comes to his pride and joy home theatre plasma getting ****ed up.

 

[Team Mo']

I left my screen on the same thing for a few hours and there was "burn in" or whatever it's called for a minute but then just changed the channel a bit and it was gone.

 

[Conan Troutman]

I got a plasma in September and were worried about the same thing. I read around a bit on the net, and saw somewhere not to play for too long for the first 120 hours or so of using the tv, so I would play for 2-3 hours then switch to another channel for 15mins or so. But recently been playing games a lot longer - played Guitar Hero last weekend for probably 8 hours straight. Haven't had any problems with IR or burn in. I do have the pixel shift setting turned on though.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

.. or just tell him to suck it up and buy a new LCD

 

[dmc333]

Hit the old boy over the head with an axe and keep playing.

 

[Equus]

Everything that has been said has been said. The "Burn In" will go away eventually, nothing to worry about.

 

[Viney]

Was definitely an issue with some games HUD's on older plasmas. Modern panels usually have pixel shifting, which stops the problem.

Whether a 2-3 year old panel counts as a modern panel...i'm not going to swear to.



Heh...the info you get here may very well be correct. But I doubt there'd be too many dads around that would take the word of Bigfooty posters as gospel.

Especially when it comes to his pride and joy home theatre plasma getting ****ed up.

I have a 3 year plasma as well as as my new Pana - no issues of IR or Burn In on that screen either

I left my screen on the same thing for a few hours and there was "burn in" or whatever it's called for a minute but then just changed the channel a bit and it was gone.

Exactly, IR is nothing to get concerned about - it disappears very quickly

 

[kaysee]

A couple of things to try help you out:

- 1st Burn In isn't really a problem anymore with newer Plasma and LCD technology. IIRC with new TVs you would need to leave an image on the TV for something like 24-48 hours for BI... which is highly unlikely.

- 2nd... DON'T go up to your old man telling him he is straight out wrong!! Fact is he controls the TV so use a bit of tact. His concerns have merit as BI was a bigger problem with the earlier Plasmas and LCDs... so agree with him that yeah BI was a problem but manufacturers have address it in recent years.

- 3rd... If he still has problems with it then suggest having regular "timeouts"... say 1-2 hours of gaming... 10-15min break. Might also be good for you to stretch the legs.

I have a tech magazine (about 1 year old now) at home that has a great article proving/disproving some of the MYTHS about Plasmas and LCDs... it had a section about BI. I will scan the article and upload when I can.

HTH

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

dont play ps3 or consoles on plasma... LCD is the way to go... because it can really screw shit up.. belive me i know

 

[Viney]

dont play ps3 or consoles on plasma... LCD is the way to go... because it can really screw shit up.. belive me i know

Bullshit

 

[triplejdude]

Alright cheers all you guys for your advice. Managed to convince him that nothing will happen, and even impressed him by showing him how he can watch downloaded stuff from the computer using TVersity.
PS3 stays on the plasma

 

[Arecsa]

dont play ps3 or consoles on plasma... LCD is the way to go... because it can really screw shit up.. belive me i know

LCD sure is the way to go, if you want inferior picture quality. I've been using my PS3 on my Panasonic plasma for nearly 2 years now with no issues, ever.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

LCD sure is the way to go, if you want inferior picture quality. I've been using my PS3 on my Panasonic plasma for nearly 2 years now with no issues, ever.

thats a bit of a generalisation . a good lcd is equal to a plasma with zero burn in concerns and lower power usage. to use a generalisation, an lcd is far more versatile.

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

i Worked at Harvey Norman and we hooked up a ps3 to a plasma and it burnt the screen after a 6 months... and we spoke to sony about it and they said we recommend that you dont play games on plasma

 

[Viney]

i Worked at Harvey Norman and we hooked up a ps3 to a plasma and it burnt the screen after a 6 months... and we spoke to sony about it and they said we recommend that you dont play games on plasma

Of course Sony would say that - what's their biggest seller? The Bravia series - surprise surprise, it's an LCD screen.

I guess they recommended PS3 should only be played on Bravia's too?

I've been gaming on Plasma for over 3 years and have not suffered an IR or Burn In

If you do get IR, you simply cycle a pic slide show and it should clear it.

What brand plasma had burn in at your HN store?

 

[Forzaport]

^ i don't think sony sell any plasmas at all anymore and haven't for some time.

 

[Viney]

^ i don't think sony sell any plasmas at all anymore and haven't for some time.

Yeah, I know....can you imagine them suggesting gaming should only be done on LCD - Shock Horror

 

[kaysee]

The following is part of the article I referred to earlier. I decided to type it in instead of scanning it as I am not sure on the legality of scanning and posting up a page from a computer mag.

Following found in "APC - High Performance Computing" September 2007

Article: "LCD vs PLASMA: We explode the myths of competing HDTV technologies" Page 46 - 57

Page 51 - "HDTV - Myth 5 Plasmas can suffer burn-in"

"Burn-in happens when a fixed image remains on screen for too long and leaves a ghost of itself when removed. It's not an issue on LCDs, but it's a well documented on earlier plasmas.

The ghost is actually a line of pixels that has burned bright for so long they have dimmed compared to the surrounding pixels. Today's plasmas may be suffering by association from the sins of their forebears, however, as they are much better at preventing burn-in.

We even left a fixed image for about 8 hours (sorry Panasonic!) to see whether we could detect a faint burn or ghost, but no such bad luck. A Panasonic engineer who was not aware of our experiment the told us it would take about 4 days or more for a static image to burn its ghost onto a modern plasma screen. Improvements in the phosphor material used and 'pixel orbiting' technology - which shifts pixels around if they don't move - has diminished the burn-in problem. It's highly unlikely that any plasma would be stuck on the same image four days in a row. The exceptions might be any plasmas permanently tuned in to video which displays an information strip, computer games with fixed screen dashboards, or 4:3 pictures that will put the fixed black bars on either side of the screen.

But LCDs and Plasmas can also suffer from something else as insidious as burn-in - and that's dead pixels. These are more likely on LCD screens and are a known problem with LCDs in the computer industry. While makers will generally replace screens with dead pixels, it pays to check when you 1st fire up the HDTV. A thorough check of our LCD and plasma panels, however, didn't reveal any dead pixels."


A really good article and if you can grab a back issue I recommend it. Covers 7 of the most common myths, power usage and pros and cons of both.

Summary was basically LCDs are better for smaller TVs, used in well lit rooms and for normal TV viewing. Plasmas are better for bigger TVs, used in darker rooms, and better for cinema experience and sports (without the blurring LCDs can have).

HTH
Cheers