PSD 1 Poll

[astro_toby]

okay - isn't a lot to talk about at this stage of the year - so lets conduct a poll on who we should take with pick 1 in the PSD....

one vote each guys and just post a thread after you have voted so we know who thinks what.

 

[astro_toby]

i selected collard - basically because i think his upside is pretty massive - and its in an area where we need someone to be explosive.

A small pressure forward with natural ability is rare - and can win you games, i think he will be able to get his head sorted out at richmond - and it will be a win / win for both parties.

I think with our 2nd selection we will be either able to fill a promising player in either of our ruck of key defensive position, and i also dont rate any of the ruckman in the PSD this year - they all are short term back up types - which i have no time for.

possibly we need to delist more players to be able to get 4 selections in the ND, to ensure our chances of getting a ruckman & a defensive KP "development" player late on.

 

[sante]

i selected collard - basically because i think his upside is pretty massive - and its in an area where we need someone to be explosive.

A small pressure forward with natural ability is rare - and can win you games, i think he will be able to get his head sorted out at richmond - and it will be a win / win for both parties.

I think with our 2nd selection we will be either able to fill a promising player in either of our ruck of key defensive position, and i also dont rate any of the ruckman in the PSD this year - they all are short term back up types - which i have no time for.

possibly we need to delist more players to be able to get 4 selections in the ND, to ensure our chances of getting a ruckman & a defensive KP "development" player late on.

Piss off Hyde IMO.

 

[astro_toby]

Piss off Hyde IMO.

although i've always liked hyde - i would be open to it. unfortunately now with McMahon, Morton, cotchin (hopefully), Collard (hopefully), and meyer staying on(hopefully) - i think a player like himself is in abundance - and only the best will survive.

some more stocks in the ruck and tall defensive positions is extremely important.

can we delist any more players now befor the ND though?

 

[_RT_]

As I have stated before my preferred choice would be to take Richards in the PSD. Give us added depth in the ruck while Graham develops. Also allows the club to play Pattison at CHF and let him develop there as well. Players like Collard & Pfeiffer are young enough that we can rookie list them and let them get their attitudes sorted out on a rookies wage before giving them a senior listed spot.

People have argued that they would rather go with the 3 ruckman we currently have in Simmonds, Graham and Pattison and if 2 of them get injured then bad luck, we take our medicine finish down the bottom again and pick up a ruckman early next year. My belief is we are going to finish in the bottom 6 next year regardless, so why not take Richards on base payments for 1-2 years until Graham is ready to step up and while we're at it, take another young ruckman at either 51 or through the rookie drafts. After all even if we did take another young ruckman this year they aren't really going to be ready to play. Suppose it all comes down to who we and 15 other teams get in the National draft that will decide what the club does in the PSD, if we get a young CHF type then the club may well just go with Patto as a ruckman again.

 

[richoatthedisco]

As I have stated before my preferred choice would be to take Richards in the PSD. Give us added depth in the ruck while Graham develops. Also allows the club to play Pattison at CHF and let him develop there as well. Players like Collard & Pfeiffer are young enough that we can rookie list them and let them get their attitudes sorted out on a rookies wage before giving them a senior listed spot.

People have argued that they would rather go with the 3 ruckman we currently have in Simmonds, Graham and Pattison and if 2 of them get injured then bad luck, we take our medicine finish down the bottom again and pick up a ruckman early next year. My belief is we are going to finish in the bottom 6 next year regardless, so why not take Richards on base payments for 1-2 years until Graham is ready to step up and while we're at it, take another young ruckman at either 51 or through the rookie drafts. After all even if we did take another young ruckman this year they aren't really going to be ready to play. Suppose it all comes down to who we and 15 other teams get in the National draft that will decide what the club does in the PSD, if we get a young CHF type then the club may well just go with Patto as a ruckman again.

The problem with adding duds to your list is you end up with a list full of duds. I don't know where the idea Patto will make a CHF comes from. I know Richmond people have said it, but they'll say anything. He got drafted on the basis of a B&F TAC year IN THE RUCK. He's too slow for CHF; yes he has a big motor but so does a tractor. What is the point of drafting a bloke to fill a hole for 1-2 years? As with every pick in every draft, get the best player available. A 20-year-old with talent in two years could be a 22-year-old gun. Richards will still be a bum. I haven't seen the likes of Collard or Pfeiffer play but by the sounds of it they have serious talent. Dunn can play too (assuming that is Riley Dunn from Melbourne). Just on what I know of him he'd be my fave (unless by some miracle Rutten is available).

 

[astro_toby]

The problem with adding duds to your list is you end up with a list full of duds. I don't know where the idea Patto will make a CHF comes from. I know Richmond people have said it, but they'll say anything. He got drafted on the basis of a B&F TAC year IN THE RUCK. He's too slow for CHF; yes he has a big motor but so does a tractor. What is the point of drafting a bloke to fill a hole for 1-2 years? As with every pick in every draft, get the best player available. A 20-year-old with talent in two years could be a 22-year-old gun. Richards will still be a bum. I haven't seen the likes of Collard or Pfeiffer play but by the sounds of it they have serious talent. Dunn can play too (assuming that is Riley Dunn from Melbourne). Just on what I know of him he'd be my fave (unless by some miracle Rutten is available).

its dunn who was on freo's list - & was a top 10 pick.

always screw his name up - dunno why.

agree patto will not be a CHF - more likely to be a 2nd ruckman who also plays as a roaming HFF or even a marking winger IMO

 

[boms]

I would take Richards. Would be a good backup for Simmonds

 

[reeko]

Grab the best talent which = Darren Pfeiffer

 

[_RT_]

The problem with adding duds to your list is you end up with a list full of duds. I don't know where the idea Patto will make a CHF comes from. I know Richmond people have said it, but they'll say anything. He got drafted on the basis of a B&F TAC year IN THE RUCK. He's too slow for CHF; yes he has a big motor but so does a tractor. What is the point of drafting a bloke to fill a hole for 1-2 years? As with every pick in every draft, get the best player available. A 20-year-old with talent in two years could be a 22-year-old gun. Richards will still be a bum. I haven't seen the likes of Collard or Pfeiffer play but by the sounds of it they have serious talent. Dunn can play too (assuming that is Riley Dunn from Melbourne). Just on what I know of him he'd be my fave (unless by some miracle Rutten is available).

Ease up, I realise that Richards is not the most talented player out there but considering he would be taken in the PSD, I think getting a player to fill a hole in our list while better options are still developing is much better management than using Tuck as a second ruckman if 2 of our current ones were to be hurt. I know we have Polak if things get desperate but I would much prefer to see him settle at CHB, the spot we recruited him for, than play as a back up ruckman.

As I said although Richards is a hack he can at least play in a position where we don't have a lot of depth. Collard, Pfeiffer, Dunn are all quality players but we already have a number of players who play their positions already. If they are still there when the rookie draft rolls around then we can take them then (I believe that Pfeiffer & Collard are still eligible to rookie). We would still have them on the list to develop, both could still turn into 22 year old quality players but in the meantime, we are not forced into playing a make shift ruckman if 2 of the 3 we have get hurt.

As I also said the choice we make in the PSD will come down to who we take in the National draft. According to the Phantom drafts floating around it seems we are taking a midfielder at 2 (obviously), then a KP type or ruckman at 18 and the same again at 51. If we actually did that then I have no problem going with Pfeiffer or Collard in the PSD. However something tells me we wont and will probably end up with 3 mids/hbf's as usual.

 

[Tigertriumph]

would like us to take neville, if there is a midfield spot we need to recruit its insiders and he would fit the bill, wouldnt hurt to give him a year on the rookie list.

 

[tigertiger]

isnt pfiefer training with us?

 

[Haggard H]

I've gone for Collard but would just as happily take Pfeiffer. My ruck theory is to put a couple of 21-22 year old ruckmen on the rookie list as an audition. They'll also be big bodied enough to do a basic job (probably as good as Richards) should they need to be called up through the season.

 

[bigrayohall20]

Pfieffer for me. Seems to be the best talent there. Dunn would be my 2nd choice. Dont know why people want Richards. Absolute dud! We have Simmo, Patto and Gus. One more ruckman in the draft and we'll be ok.

 

[Crumden]

I've gone for Collard but would just as happily take Pfeiffer. My ruck theory is to put a couple of 21-22 year old ruckmen on the rookie list as an audition. They'll also be big bodied enough to do a basic job (probably as good as Richards) should they need to be called up through the season.

Much the same here. Collard or Pfeiffer are the only two worth considering. I'm no big fan of Hyde or Rodan, but delisting Hyde to add any of the others on that list (maybe excepting Dunn and Neville as well) would be akin to delisting Rodan to add Kingsley. As for Richards, I'd rather see Tuck doing the ruckwork.

 

[GiveGasTheFlick]

Kepler Braddley or Scotty Welsh for me

 

[telsor]

I'm going to make a radical call here and do what the club should do.

Wait until we see who's available then.

 

[Goldust]

its dunn who was on freo's list - & was a top 10 pick.

always screw his name up - dunno why.

agree patto will not be a CHF - more likely to be a 2nd ruckman who also plays as a roaming HFF or even a marking winger IMO

AS gallant as Pattison was last season (and he took some pretty big strides), I saw him on more than one occasion drop simple chest marks out on his own while rucking, as well as executing some pretty poor passes by foot.
Played in the ruck, where he can roam out on his own, this doesn't hurt you as much - always time to recover the ball and press on.
Doing this at centre half forward would be a recipe for disaster! The turnovers would be far more costly.
Not a kpp for mine.
Rucking is his go - and number two behind Simmonds!

 

[Goldust]

OKAY....my verdict on that list of 19 players, plus best non-drafted talent, listed on this poll.
Combine them together and you have list comparable only to the trasin-wreck that was Richmond in the KB coaching era.
A collection of players who largely did not belong on an AFL list and would not have scored a game at any other club at the time.
I would be steering clear of the pre-season draft if that is all that is on offer.
And take it from one who sees the Bombers play on a regular basis, Kepler Bradley has no place at Tigerland.
The guy is atrocious. Even Richmond has made him look second-rate in games played between the two clubs!

 

[Ah Cheung]

I dont know enough about all the players listed, but I would say the most talented and the one who we think can improve a great deal to be an important part of our side in the future...so if thats pfeiffer or collard, then so be it.

 

[captain blood 17]

okay - isn't a lot to talk about at this stage of the year - so lets conduct a poll on who we should take with pick 1 in the PSD....

one vote each guys and just post a thread after you have voted so we know who thinks what.

Went for perrie. I think he's still young enough (not sure of age, but if he's around 26 should be ok), based on leaving Polak at CHB. Perrie's relatively consistent and had a crap year with injury last year. Can take a grab and is no worse than other forwards at our club when shooting for goal.

 

[strauchy]

We should take Scot Welsh regardless of his age. we need some experience to help our youngsters learn the game better.
i know we have a youth policy but the correct decision is to take the best available player and that is Welsh.

if we pick Guy Richards - it will probably be the dumbest move to make. why would we pick up a bad player who wont even make a difference to our team? Terry Wallace needs to realise that not all our youngsters will be guns.

 

[Tigerrific]

We should take Scot Welsh regardless of his age. we need some experience to help our youngsters learn the game better.
i know we have a youth policy but the correct decision is to take the best available player and that is Welsh.

if we pick Guy Richards - it will probably be the dumbest move to make. why would we pick up a bad player who wont even make a difference to our team? Terry Wallace needs to realise that not all our youngsters will be guns.

We need a back-up ruckman and Richards is the best available.

 

[strauchy]

We need a back-up ruckman and Richards is the best available.

we will have Simmonds, Pattison and Polak.. another backup ruckman is Graham but we should focus on Pattison to become better. anyway if we picked up Richards, he wouldnt last more than a year or two. just like Ben Marsh and those types..

 

[Tigerrific]

we will have Simmonds, Pattison and Polak.. another backup ruckman is Graham but we should focus on Pattison to become better. anyway if we picked up Richards, he wouldnt last more than a year or two. just like Ben Marsh and those types..

Polak is not a ruckman and Pattison is not much of one. We have lost Knobel and Hall and if Simmonds is injured again we are f***ed. As I said before Richards is the best available ruckman. If we only get a year or two out of him before someone better takes over, well he hasn't cost us much anyway.