Games & Recreation Pub vs Hotel

[carn_freo]

Why are some pubs, noticeably in australia, refered to as hotels? or should i say named hotels and refered to as pubs?? when clearly most of them are not "hotels" as we know them...

 

[standingroomonly]

Because most if not all would have had basic rooms when they were originally built. Now most of those would be converted to offices/function rooms/storage.

When the rules regarding fire safety and accomodation came in a lot of places abandoned it since the cost of installing fire escapes etc would outweigh any benefit. Also people's standards have lifted in accomodation and most of those pub rooms were prison cell size with a single bed and a hand basin.

 

[The Passenger]

a lot of pubs still have rooms you can rent for the night. most of them you won't ever notice are there. alomst always on top of the pub.

i.e. - this joint near sydney airport - http://www.sjbhotel.com.au/index.asp

always handy when you're going through towns you've never been and need cheap accomo for the night.

me a mate lived in one in a pub in bathurst for a good few months going back a few years now. was great. wasn't just a one roomer. two seperate rooms, living room, kitchen. had to use the pubs communal shower which had the best water pressure off any show i've used... 90 bucks a week, used the wifi of the pub, and had foxtel, and the pub bar was literally 5 metres away. hurt the liver.

 

[Caesar]

IIRC, in most states during the interwar period, providing accommodation was a prerequisite for a license to sell spirits. So most pubs that have existed since the first half of this century would have been (at one time or another) bona fide hotels.

I can't find anything on the web to back that up though, so I may be wrong.

 

[MarcusP2]

Wiki agrees with you (and it's what I thought was the case as well) but there are no citations.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

a lot of pubs still have rooms you can rent for the night. most of them you won't ever notice are there. alomst always on top of the pub.

i.e. - this joint near sydney airport - http://www.sjbhotel.com.au/index.asp

always handy when you're going through towns you've never been and need cheap accomo for the night.

me a mate lived in one in a pub in bathurst for a good few months going back a few years now. was great. wasn't just a one roomer. two seperate rooms, living room, kitchen. had to use the pubs communal shower which had the best water pressure off any show i've used... 90 bucks a week, used the wifi of the pub, and had foxtel, and the pub bar was literally 5 metres away. hurt the liver.

Living the dream man, living the dream.

I think the Australian Hotels Association distinguishes them as Accommodation Hotels and "Pub" Hotels but don't quote me on that.

They also have an Accommodation Division which is obviously just for your tradition hotels ie Westin, Four Seasons, Hilton etc

 

[tazzietiger]

I got told that Hotel's could sell beer after 6'oclock while pubs had to stop. Many nick named the era "the six o'clock swill" when pubs had to stop serving at 6. It's probably incorrect so don't take it as fact.


Edit: quick look on wikipedia due to wondering why the difference after reading this thread.

Country-town and rural hotels were of crucial importance in the years before the advent of the motel and modern budget hotel chains. Moreover, licensing laws often required the provision of a minimum level of accommodation, differentiating hotels from bars which themselves came under pressure from de-licensing legislation from the late 1890s onwards.

 

[ClarkeM]

I work in a pub which is called a hotel and the accommodation part is all just offices and storage rooms.
Why change tradition?

 

[edgie]

I work in a pub which is called a hotel and the accommodation part is all just offices and storage rooms.
Why change tradition?

My local pub of choice is like that, called the X X hotel, but no accommodation. But, the publican also owns and runs the motel next door.

 

[Goat 53]

IIRC, in most states during the interwar period, providing accommodation was a prerequisite for a license to sell spirits. So most pubs that have existed since the first half of this century would have been (at one time or another) bona fide hotels.

I can't find anything on the web to back that up though, so I may be wrong.

It was something about only being able to serve alcohol at certain times to bona fide travelers.

 

[Slax]

The term "Pub" comes from the original desription being "Public House" which was a licensed establishment with no accommodation. A hotel originally offered accomodation hence the difference.