Quick question

[Schulzenfest]

I had the answer to this question at one stage, then forgot it, and now I'm not sure if my first answer was right or not. Any help appreciated.

Hypothetical scenario time. Say that in two weeks time if Butler has not broken into the side yet and Hartlett has two great games I downgrade Butler to Hartlett, making me 70k (not exactly but good enough for this question). Then say that Hartlett ends up peaking at the same price as Butler, and I upgrade him, which I would've done to Butler. Has this trade made me 70k (for the original downgrade) or 140k (for the extra profit I got off of Hartlett). This time last week I thought it would have been 140k, now I can't remember how I came to that conclusion and think it would be 70k. Can anyone help me out and explain their answer?

 

[Lakey91]

IMO, it would be 140k (money made by hartlee), as this is the change in team value.

However the 70k freed up from the downgrade should be included in your calculations due to the flexibility cash in bank allows.

 

[Schulzenfest]

IMO, it would be 140k (money made by hartlee), as this is the change in team value.

However the 70k freed up from the downgrade should be included in your calculations due to the flexibility cash in bank allows.

That's what I thought at first, but then I thought if I'm upgrading Butler to, say, Corey, and Butler is 300k and Corey is 400k, then it costs me 100k to make the upgrade. If Hartlett was 230k and Corey was 400k when I made the same upgrade, it costs me 170k, which nullifies the earlier money I made. So doesn't that mean I'm back where I started?

I'm confused now, I can't remember why I originally thought the extra profit means anything. I wish I could because it would make a stupid trade I made last week on Wednesday due to thinking Hill would get dropped and spend a few weeks in the WAFL and knowing I wouldn't be able to make a computer on Thursday due to other commitments seem less stupid.

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

It makes you 70k i think if you upgrade Hartlett once you get him. You make the 70k on the downgrade and then for the upgrade you use the 70k that the downgrade to Hartlett made for you. However, in effect like Lakey said the two trades make you 140k because you are using the 70k cash you had in hand from the downgrade + the 70k that Hartlett has made you.

So i guess the real answer is it makes you 140k but 70k of that is in Hartlett's value not in the bank so it can only be 'accessed' by trading him. So yes it really makes you 140k but in two trades - Buter downgrade, Hartlett upgrade - not the one.

Hence, the 'value' of the two trades can't really be expressed in cash terms but rather however many points that the Hartlett upgrade trade nets you (The 'upgrades' avg - Hartlett's avg x the number of rounds remaining).

If these two trades net you 300 points IMO they are good. Yes the rule is one trade gives 300 points or 100k but Butler is useless ATM and the trade also has the potential to gain more than 300 points depending on how the upgrade player goes comparitive to Hartlett - assuming you are playing Hartlett on the field.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Well my plan was, if it would be an 140k upgrade as you say (I don't think Hartlett will peak as high as Butler though, so probably more like 100k), to use the money I make off of that downgrade to allow to me keep Mitch Brown/Suban/Broughton whoever instead of trading them down, so the extra trade isn't important in this case. What I'm trying to decide is whether I'd be better off with the 120k or so that I'd probably get from trading one of them down to a rookie or whether this trade would make me more money. This could all be irrelevant anyway, if Butler comes back any time soon (which I think he will) I'll be keeping him.

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

I think i actually got it slightly wrong before, the trades only gain you 70k because that is the money that Hartlett gains you, the 70k used to downgrade him is actually useless if you trade him out again (and if you don't trade him out again the money he makes you will be useless), the money Hartlett makes is how much money you make in this scenario.

So it only gains you 70k, you end up having 70k + 210k (Hartlett's value) = 280k for the player you upgrade Hartlett too. So in short i don't think the trades are actually worth it, unless it is very important for you to keep Brown/Suban/Broughton to avoid 0's.

FWIW, i'm sure Hartlett will make you quite a bit more than 70k.

 

[Saint KFC]

Your question is not articulated well at all, but I'll give it a go

The answer is the cash that is earnt by Hartlett, as others have explained before me.

With Butler, you have 'assigned' the entire 210k to Butler. You are then 'reassigning' 140k of this to Hartlett and the remaining 70k to your bank, at the cost of a trade. Both have a total of 210k.

Say Hartlett then earns 70k. He is now worth 210k whilst the 70k remains in your bank. Therefore, the total worth is now 280k, which is an increase of 70k. You have gained 70k worth of profit, which is the amount that Hartlett has risen.

Therefore, you have 'made' 70k, ie - the money made by Hartlett.

 

[Jab]

Your question is not articulated well at all, but I'll give it a go

The answer is the cash that is earnt by Hartlett, as others have explained before me.

With Butler, you have 'assigned' the entire 210k to Butler. You are then 'reassigning' 140k of this to Hartlett and the remaining 70k to your bank, at the cost of a trade. Both have a total of 210k.

Say Hartlett then earns 70k. He is now worth 210k whilst the 70k remains in your bank. Therefore, the total worth is now 280k, which is an increase of 70k. You have gained 70k worth of profit, which is the amount that Hartlett has risen.

Therefore, you have 'made' 70k, ie - the money made by Hartlett.

Plus it has cost you 2 trades.

1 to buy Hartlett = +70k

1 to sell Hartlett = + 70k

2 trades to make 140k

 

[Saint KFC]

Plus it has cost you 2 trades.

1 to buy Hartlett = +70k

1 to sell Hartlett = + 70k

2 trades to make 140k

But you're not actually 'making' 70k when you trade Butler to Hartlett, ie - your total value stays the same (in this case, 210k). You are merely 'reassigning' the money around (Hartlett 140k Bank 70k as opposed to previously Butler 210k), which is not the same as a player appreciating in value.

 

[Hodges]

Does it really matter? At the end of the day, you have still got an extra 70k to play with. Theres no point in over-complicating things.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Your question is not articulated well at all, but I'll give it a go

The answer is the cash that is earnt by Hartlett, as others have explained before me.

With Butler, you have 'assigned' the entire 210k to Butler. You are then 'reassigning' 140k of this to Hartlett and the remaining 70k to your bank, at the cost of a trade. Both have a total of 210k.

Say Hartlett then earns 70k. He is now worth 210k whilst the 70k remains in your bank. Therefore, the total worth is now 280k, which is an increase of 70k. You have gained 70k worth of profit, which is the amount that Hartlett has risen.

Therefore, you have 'made' 70k, ie - the money made by Hartlett.

But ignoring the 70k from the downgrade for a second, what if Butler comes back the week after and then ends up going up the same amount in price as Hartlett did. Doesn't that cancel out Hartlett's price rise because I would've gotten it anyway, meaning that the trade makes me no money?

Butler -> Hartlett gives me 70k straight up.
If Butler peaks at 300k and Hartlett peaks at 250k then when I do the eventual upgrade it costs 50k extra, so that would mean the trade makes me only 20k.
I'm starting to think it's not worth it, and I'm wondering how I came to a different conclusion last week when I traded Hill for Petrenko. Even if Hill had been dropped I now wish I could go back in time and change that trade, because I really don't know how I came up with a thought process that led to me expecting it to make the amount of money that I thought it would a week ago. Now I'm annoyed at myself for not thinking it through properly last week. Pretty sure the question has been answered (not the answer I wanted, but oh well) so this thread can be closed down now.

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

Your question is not articulated well at all, but I'll give it a go

The answer is the cash that is earnt by Hartlett, as others have explained before me.

With Butler, you have 'assigned' the entire 210k to Butler. You are then 'reassigning' 140k of this to Hartlett and the remaining 70k to your bank, at the cost of a trade. Both have a total of 210k.

Say Hartlett then earns 70k. He is now worth 210k whilst the 70k remains in your bank. Therefore, the total worth is now 280k, which is an increase of 70k. You have gained 70k worth of profit, which is the amount that Hartlett has risen.

Therefore, you have 'made' 70k, ie - the money made by Hartlett.

Well said STKFC.

In this scenario - downgrading to then upgrading the same player the $ gained by a trade can be expressed as...............

Money earned = Cash acheived by downgrade (in this case 70k) + the amount of money the player downgraded too gains or loses on the previous players' value at the time they were downgraded (Butler 210k).

Therefore if you achieve 70k with the downgrade to Hartlett and then Hartlett increases to 30k above Butler's value at the time of downgrade the money earned = 70k + 30k.

The same can happen with a loss............

If you downgrade a player at 290k to a player worth 90k you gain 200k but if you then upgrade the player whose initial value was 90k when his price is 240k you gain 200k in your bank but then lose 50k so an overall profit of 150k.

And Hodges there is always a reason to overcomplicate things