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Kruzering said:
I used to say "morning guys" to my team at work. 6 men 2 women. I was told this was inappropriate by the head of admin even though the 2 women didnt care and are very laid back.

Then I went with "morning ladies and gentlemen", which a couple of months later I was told I now can't say as there is a trans person in another team on the floor and they would feel excluded even though I wasn't even talking to them.

So I tried "good morning everyone" but felt like a school teacher talking to adults and drew giggles from my team as they knew I'd been spoken to about non inclusive pronouns, so now I just come in and sit down.
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Isn’t it a great world we live in when people take it upon themselves to be outraged on behalf of others.
 
Kruzering said:
I used to say "morning guys" to my team at work. 6 men 2 women. I was told this was inappropriate by the head of admin even though the 2 women didnt care and are very laid back.

Then I went with "morning ladies and gentlemen", which a couple of months later I was told I now can't say as there is a trans person in another team on the floor and they would feel excluded even though I wasn't even talking to them.

So I tried "good morning everyone" but felt like a school teacher talking to adults and drew giggles from my team as they knew I'd been spoken to about non inclusive pronouns, so now I just come in and sit down.
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Morning humans?
 

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Neese said:
I couldn't give a **** what people call me
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I bet you do.
Most decent people don't care if a particular word/term is employed as long as it's delivery and intent is honest.
Any word can be 'offensive' if the intent from the deliverer, is designed and delivered in a manner to belittle or demean...............even mate.

Then you have those people that insist you call them by their desired pronoun, because to do otherwise causes offence.
There's even a country where it's a law that you have to do this.

Did mention on this board some time ago that after a meeting, I left addressing the two women I had met with as 'ladies'
They were apparently offended by this.
 
Gethelred said:
You're speaking somewhat obliquely here, do you think you could speak somewhat plainer?

Do you think that people are less their own opinions and more what they're told to think? Is that an accurate portrayal of what you think?

If it is, then it is nothing new at all; we're still taking Aristotelian and Plato-esque positions on things, millennia after the two philosophers supposedly lived. We discuss communism and liberalism like they're the newest ideas in existence. Our society is built as a democracy, which evolved from the ancient greek and roman ideas of a republic. People are still taken in by Ayn Rand and Nietzchki; this is nothing new, and nor is our attitude to outrage.

Secondly, does this render those whose opinions are not their own - although I'd argue that as a somewhat pessimistic position to take; plenty of people came by precisely the same ideas completely by themselves for their own reasons - but can argue their opinions well any less legitimate than those whose ideas are completely original? I've said this before - usually when talking about football, funnily enough - but provided someone can argue something soundly and/or refute the logic that might cause their argument to fail without resorting to ad hominem or like logical fallacies, what's the issue?

A good idea is a good idea for a reason, regardless of where it comes from or how original an idea it is.
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That's because a. I type what's in my head. I don't think about nor consider what I put down. This I find the most honest method, although I see I can jump around, present improper grammar, serve up spelling mistakes, miss points etc etc b. I rush to finish a post as I dislike typing.

Right. No, it's nothing new but what's unfortunate is that our scope for conversation has widened by way of access to all sorts of things, yet narrowed by way of what one can and cannot say in the broader public. People are afraid to be seen to be saying things that may offend others. People have shackled themselves from discussing the many and still growing taboo topics. People are forced to say 'nice' things they may not even feel and ........... people just want to be liked and especially liked by groups. This I have noticed, but it may not be true on the world stage, although I think it is in the western world.

So many things floating around in my head but will simply drop a couple of examples here that may or may not add to this discussion directly and may trespass on political correctness -

A good friend of mine is a speaker and she's asked to do so by many institutions and all over the country.
We were talking some weeks ago and she told me that before many addresses she has to thank the people/tribes of the land where she is speaking upon.
It was funny as I think she was expecting me to say something and I just stared at her before she broke out into a - I ****ing hate doing it, Harker.
I advised her she shouldn't. I don't know yet whether she took up that advice as she's been in Sydney the past couple of weeks.

I like to relate this story as it taught me a lesson I endeavour to employ to this day -
We were in our early 20's and at a party. One of my friends got talking to an acquaintance of mine and after a long chat came to me and told me just how lovely and interesting the other party was. I told him that the other party was gay and my friend flipped his opinion completely about the other party.
I confronted my friend and asked him; So he was a terrific bloke right up until you learned that he didn't share your sexual preference.

This taught me a lesson in two because to be true to the premise I presented to my friend I had to think of it the other way as well -
i.e. If you're not going to take away credits from an individual they had no say in being, you can't then add them on neither.
What this means is that you can't apportion more value to an individual by virtue of the fact they're part of a minority group and one should treat each individual from the same blank canvas, but we somehow don't do this.

eg We can talk about a race/culture/gender/ but only if we're saying something good and pumping up the tyres.
To adorn praise you're being seen to be a really good person. To say something contrary, even if it happens to be true, you're immediately a racist, homophobe, misogynist etc etc.

When one really thinks about it, that doesn't make sense at all other than to apply the simple principle of; If you have nothing good to say, say nothing. :)

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Who you picking up Harks .
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This is an important question. :) Just my daughter.
 
Kruzering said:
I used to say "morning guys" to my team at work. 6 men 2 women. I was told this was inappropriate by the head of admin even though the 2 women didnt care and are very laid back.

Then I went with "morning ladies and gentlemen", which a couple of months later I was told I now can't say as there is a trans person in another team on the floor and they would feel excluded even though I wasn't even talking to them.

So I tried "good morning everyone" but felt like a school teacher talking to adults and drew giggles from my team as they knew I'd been spoken to about non inclusive pronouns, so now I just come in and sit down.
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There needs to be an uprising against this politically correct bullshit world...seriously, if you look deep enough you will find something offensive to someone in anything you say or do.

Toughen up people and stop looking for reasons to be offended.
 

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teagueyubeauty said:
There needs to be an uprising against this politically correct ******** world...seriously, if you look deep enough you will find something offensive to someone in anything you say or do.

Toughen the f up people and stop looking for reasons to be offended.
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I think it's like Harker said, it's the intent behind the words. When I said guys, I wasn't even thinking it was exclusive and I know it did not offend the two women in the team as we get on well outside of work as well.

The person calling everyone on our floor out is one of those ultra PC people and I am terrified of being in a conversation or meeting with her as fighting a PC battle is her favorite thing and the buzz words like sexist, racist, misused of pronouns etc is something that triggers HR as we are a equal opportunity workplace. It's like working with Thy.

The safest thing to do is just shut up
 
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thylacine60 said:
for some reason 'guys' seems to cover things better - although I've never really asked any of the women here if they are cool with it.........
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"Guys" covers everyone in my opinion. It's pretty much a gender natural term these days.

When I go into the office the team is half male half female.

"Morning guys" or "Hey guys" is fine.

It can be a bloody mine field these days though. As long as you are trying to be kind, friendly and doing your best not to upset anyone that's all anyone can really ask surely?


Also have had women say that if they are in a group of women and a man approaches them "Hey guys" actually is less sleazy/ jarring/ threatening than "Hey ladies"
 
mediumsizered said:
It is particularly disappointing when the assumption is being made that because a poster is posting on BF about football, they must be a male.
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Are you really disappointed when you see a female calling another female 'mate', or does the 'disappointment' stem from your assumption VD is male?
 
teagueyubeauty said:
There needs to be an uprising against this politically correct ******** world...seriously, if you look deep enough you will find something offensive to someone in anything you say or do.

Toughen the f up people and stop looking for reasons to be offended.
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written, spoken & authorised by someone who has never been systematically villified, lived as a minority in society or couldnt give a **** about either - for anyone complaining about this so called politically correct world read "why can't I abuse and bully anyone I want like the good old days?" ...........do us and yourself a favour and grow up......
 

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thylacine60 said:
written, spoken & authorised by someone who has never been systematically villified, lived as a minority in society or couldnt give a **** about either - for anyone complaining about this so called politically correct world read "why can't I abuse and bully anyone I want like the good old days?" ...........do us and yourself a favour and grow up......
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Why does this make for a reply?
'If you're not in favour of political correctness, you're by default an individual without empathy'

How on earth do the two get thrown into the same basket?
Anyway, no point having this discussion here as they get cut and binned into the random discussion thread :)
 
thylacine60 said:
written, spoken & authorised by someone who has never been systematically villified, lived as a minority in society or couldnt give a **** about either - for anyone complaining about this so called politically correct world read "why can't I abuse and bully anyone I want like the good old days?" ...........do us and yourself a favour and grow up......
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i fully support anyone's choice of pronoun and gender identity. I also reserve the right to find they them there as a singular entity and xim xer xere pretty silly in my own head.
 
Coops93 said:
What if there's someone who self identifies as an alpaca or something? Can't alienate them
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