JuddtoCarlton
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Ratten or Pagan?
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Ratten or Pagan?
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HBF
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- Sep 24, 2002
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Ratts easily. Pagan had lost touch with the modern game, and more importantly, the players.
ratten by the length of many football fields joined together. for one he has a good relationship with his reserves coach. thats almost enough in itself.
BlueYoss
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Pagan is just a nutcase888
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JuddtoCarlton
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dunno 20% say pagan, was just interested, i voted for ratten, but some people say he is useless
It is Monday, so I'm assuming the OP is still wasted from a big weekend...
Ratts no question.
He's a good communicator, approachable, a good club figure, a past champion (a +) and the boys seem very complimentary and respectful of him.
I must say though I'm not 100% sold on the game style....the holding possession...can tend to be very boring but I'm hopeful the boys will improve at it with time.
Pagan failed to adapt to the modern game, he was terribly stubborn he refused to make moves that any common person could see were necessary and had totally lost the respect of our players and supporters.
He's a good communicator, approachable, a good club figure, a past champion (a +) and the boys seem very complimentary and respectful of him.
I must say though I'm not 100% sold on the game style....the holding possession...can tend to be very boring but I'm hopeful the boys will improve at it with time.
Pagan failed to adapt to the modern game, he was terribly stubborn he refused to make moves that any common person could see were necessary and had totally lost the respect of our players and supporters.
Ratts for me . Never was a Pagan fan , even when he coached the kangas . That said , Ratts needs time to establish himself .
not sure, i'll let you know when ratts becomes a multiple premiership coach.
I do know one thing, if we are to win a flag under ratts, it wont be with this sideways possession game and 'loose ball get' players...aka eade and wallace coached sides, and all those other teams that have been going around in circles for 50 years without success.
History says quick ball movement, long kicking, developed spine wins flags.....Dennis had the right game plan, but tried to implement it with a team not ready to carry it out.
Ultimately to win a flag, and as our spine develops -ratt's gameplan will probably evolve more towards Dennis's style....
I do know one thing, if we are to win a flag under ratts, it wont be with this sideways possession game and 'loose ball get' players...aka eade and wallace coached sides, and all those other teams that have been going around in circles for 50 years without success.
History says quick ball movement, long kicking, developed spine wins flags.....Dennis had the right game plan, but tried to implement it with a team not ready to carry it out.
Ultimately to win a flag, and as our spine develops -ratt's gameplan will probably evolve more towards Dennis's style....
THE AISSASSIN
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Joyce Brown
Would I prefer to be shot or hung????
mmmm.... Malthouse would be nice
mmmm.... Malthouse would be nice
I had nothing against Pagan when he arrived, he had a great track record. And it's still too early to judge Ratten, give him till week 11 or so to get a few games under his belt and for Judd to fully get over his injury.
JuddtoCarlton
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how'd they know ratten would be better before he started
How have his coaching skills changed.
Your win-loss ratio does not define how good of a coach you are.
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What about Carro?
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thylacine60
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I'm definitely hung.
only time will tell
we are comparing apples with oranges but couple of key differences in what each had to work with
we are comparing apples with oranges but couple of key differences in what each had to work with
- ratten has a united board, full backing of the board and a full complement of resources to work with.
- pagan had 3 incompetent boards and limited resources.
Read 'kouta' and you'll see what the players thought of Pagan
for a start. The leadership group tried to go behind his back
and have him sacked. Because we were so broke at the time,
and the AFL were overseeing a lot of what we were doing,
there was next to nothing we could do.
Step up King Dick.
for a start. The leadership group tried to go behind his back
and have him sacked. Because we were so broke at the time,
and the AFL were overseeing a lot of what we were doing,
there was next to nothing we could do.
Step up King Dick.
The fact that people actually voted Pagan, makes me laugh
For real. If the players are confused and bemused by the coaches
direction and style there's no way they're gonna put their
heart and soul on the line.
Although winless, at least Ratten has the guys playing for him.
I guess we'll know in 7 years when Judd Releases his book...
hopefully titled; 'My 3 premierships with Carlton'.
JuddtoCarlton
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hope so better not be titled "be patient carlton fans"
