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Rayzorwire said:
FFS, grow up mate - are you under the illusion you're a wit? :p

Some of you blokes must drink a lot when you watch us play, or you don't watch half the time, or you have very bad memories.

On the one hand, a player like Newman gets a universal pass, yet you'd be lucky to name one quarter of the amount of highlights from his career than you could from Hall's.
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That is because RAY HALL is Shit and Newman is a GUN!
 

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HBK619 said:
That is because RAY HALL is Shit and Newman is a GUN!
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I'm gonna have to put you in the 'drinks heavily during games' or is 'just plain stupid' category after that total miscomprehension of the English language and what I said HBK. You give me no other choice really.

How many did Newman concede yesterday?

The week before?

Fact is, over his career Hall has averaged getting beaten maybe one out of every three times he cops a good opponent (let's take 'beaten' as the forward exceeding their seasonal goal average). Newman gets done one out of every two at best when he gets a genuine goalkicking opponent - it's actually closer to every single time. I'll name the games for you if you really like. I think my favourite was when Newman was forced to play one on one as a genuine shutdown defender on Milne, round 6 2005. He got 6 possessions, had 5 goals kicked on him, conceded 7 scoring shots, and allowed Milne to setup at least 2 other goals.

Last night he had 4 goals kicked on him (and two posters so he was lucky it wasn't six), kicked the ball very stylishly straight to Barry Hall in a one on one contest with McGuane coming out of defense which led to a goal, and gave away a free kick practically in the goalsquare. He actually had a decent game despite these things - a little better than Hall's 16 possession, 9 hard ball get, 6 tackle game on Franklin last year, but certainly not much better. Nobody's suggesting Newman is a crap player based on the numerous times a good opponent takes him to the cleaner though are they? If you're a defender, the fact we have the league's worst midfield by a long way really doesn't help you much.

What's the lesson some of you blokes need to take out of this? That any of the players you think are awesome are vulnerable if they cop the sort of jobs Hall has week after week on the competition's best players, in a sh*t side where you get very little help.

Witness Foley last night. Copped the opposition's best tagger, got 13 possessions while his 'tagger' got 20, was largely ineffective by foot and was introduced to a whole other level of playing onball. The sort of level key defenders have to cop week after week - playing on the best in the competition.


Vonsche said:
Round 22, 1999 His debut? Is that a line of zeros? He did not touch the ball nor get anywhere near it? Surely not? Not one single stat?
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Have a look at most player's careers and you'll see a couple of these - for exactly the same reason.
 
Rayzorwire said:
I'm gonna have to put you in the 'drinks heavily during games' or is 'just plain stupid' category after that total miscomprehension of the English language and what I said HBK. You give me no other choice really.

How many did Newman concede yesterday?

The week before?

Fact is, over his career Hall has averaged getting beaten maybe one out of every three times he cops a good opponent (let's take 'beaten' as the forward exceeding their seasonal goal average). Newman gets done one out of every two at best when he gets a genuine goalkicking opponent - it's actually closer to every single time. I'll name the games for you if you really like. I think my favourite was when Newman was forced to play one on one as a genuine shutdown defender on Milne, round 6 2005. He got 6 possessions, had 5 goals kicked on him, conceded 7 scoring shots, and allowed Milne to setup at least 2 other goals.

Last night he had 4 goals kicked on him (and two posters so he was lucky it wasn't six), kicked the ball very stylishly straight to Barry Hall in a one on one contest with McGuane coming out of defense which led to a goal, and gave away a free kick practically in the goalsquare. He actually had a decent game despite these things - a little better than Hall's 16 possession, 9 hard ball get, 6 tackle game on Franklin last year, but certainly not much better. Nobody's suggesting Newman is a crap player based on the numerous times a good opponent takes him to the cleaner though are they? If you're a defender, the fact we have the league's worst midfield by a long way really doesn't help you much.

What's the lesson some of you blokes need to take out of this? That any of the players you think are awesome are vulnerable if they cop the sort of jobs Hall has week after week on the competition's best players, in a sh*t side where you get very little help.

Witness Foley last night. Copped the opposition's best tagger, got 13 possessions while his 'tagger' got 20, was largely ineffective by foot and was introduced to a whole other level of playing onball. The sort of level key defenders have to cop week after week - playing on the best in the competition.
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LOL, and yet Newman was in many Media Votes as our best player.:confused:

Don't just pick out the partially good games Ray has had, as another poster above said he definetly liked to play against Hawthorn as he had his best few games against them.

But remember a little game last year against the Saints when Big Rayzor had 10 Goals kicked on him by Fraser Gherig who was playing awful leading into our game, it was a match the Tigers needed to win to make the finals or at least keep the finals hopes alive but old Ray Ray let us down and we lost by over 100 pts.

As for Foley not having a good game it is because he now gets the No.1 Tag as Deledio is now out for possibly the rest of the season, no other reason than that, Deledio would get the opposition No.1 tag and now he is out Foley gets it.
 
Rayzorwire said:
I'm gonna have to put you in the 'drinks heavily during games' or is 'just plain stupid' category after that total miscomprehension of the English language and what I said HBK. You give me no other choice really.

How many did Newman concede yesterday?

The week before?

Fact is, over his career Hall has averaged getting beaten maybe one out of every three times he cops a good opponent (let's take 'beaten' as the forward exceeding their seasonal goal average). Newman gets done one out of every two at best when he gets a genuine goalkicking opponent - it's actually closer to every single time. I'll name the games for you if you really like. I think my favourite was when Newman was forced to play one on one as a genuine shutdown defender on Milne, round 6 2005. He got 6 possessions, had 5 goals kicked on him, conceded 7 scoring shots, and allowed Milne to setup at least 2 other goals.

Last night he had 4 goals kicked on him (and two posters so he was lucky it wasn't six), kicked the ball very stylishly straight to Barry Hall in a one on one contest with McGuane coming out of defense which led to a goal, and gave away a free kick practically in the goalsquare. He actually had a decent game despite these things - a little better than Hall's 16 possession, 9 hard ball get, 6 tackle game on Franklin last year, but certainly not much better. Nobody's suggesting Newman is a crap player based on the numerous times a good opponent takes him to the cleaner though are they? If you're a defender, the fact we have the league's worst midfield by a long way really doesn't help you much.

What's the lesson some of you blokes need to take out of this? That any of the players you think are awesome are vulnerable if they cop the sort of jobs Hall has week after week on the competition's best players, in a sh*t side where you get very little help.

Witness Foley last night. Copped the opposition's best tagger, got 13 possessions while his 'tagger' got 20, was largely ineffective by foot and was introduced to a whole other level of playing onball. The sort of level key defenders have to cop week after week - playing on the best in the competition.




Have a look at most player's careers and you'll see a couple of these - for exactly the same reason.
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Mate the plain and simple fact is that Hall is shit, always has been and always will be, he isn't fit to wipe Newmans arse FFS.
Sorry Ray, but you suck
 
HBK619 said:
LOL, and yet Newman was in many Media Votes as our best player.:confused:

Don't just pick out the partially good games Ray has had, as another poster above said he definetly liked to play against Hawthorn as he had his best few games against them.

But remember a little game last year against the Saints when Big Rayzor had 10 Goals kicked on him by Fraser Gherig who was playing awful leading into our game, it was a match the Tigers needed to win to make the finals or at least keep the finals hopes alive but old Ray Ray let us down and we lost by over 100 pts.
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But again, you fail to connect with reality. We got beaten by over 100 points in that game. That tells Blind Freddy that we would have got thrashed even if Hall and Gehrig were removed and we played with 17 players on the ground. If that had happened Milne would have kicked 10 on Newman. Hall was brought back from a three week injury with no game at Coburg, in an already injury interrupted season. He was isolated with almost no other defender in the 50 to help him, and beaten on the lead over and over again because he quite simply wasn't anywhere near fit. We moved Bowden onto Gehrig for one goal - which Gehrig got because he threw Bowden out of the way like a rag doll.

Our midfield was beaten as badly as an AFL midfield has ever been beaten. All Gehrig had to do was beat a half fit player on the lead and kick straight, while the St Kilda midfield rammed the ball down his throat time and time again.

Was the midfield blamed? No, it was all Hall's fault according to the moron contingent.

Are you insane? Have the IQ of a fencepost? Or are you just absolutely clueless about football?


HBK619 said:
As for Foley not having a good game it is because he now gets the No.1 Tag as Deledio is now out for possibly the rest of the season, no other reason than that, Deledio would get the opposition No.1 tag and now he is out Foley gets it.
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Gee, no sh*t Sherlock. So what you're saying is that it's ok for the no.1 tagger from a good side to flog our no.1 midfielder, but God help a key defender when a no.1 forward has any good games on him (injured or otherwise) in any season.

Try and rent a brain mate - you're embarrassing yourself.


Coughlan said:
Mate the plain and simple fact is that Hall is shit, always has been and always will be, he isn't fit to wipe Newmans arse FFS.
Sorry Ray, but you suck
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Yet another brilliant, detailed analysis - almost better than the average sh*tfaced, mentally ill homeless person.

It took Newman until 2006 to earn his first Brownlow votes - and Hall has still earned more. He still isn't a midfielder because he hasn't ever been considered good enough. Not fast enough, not hard enough, not skilled enough.

He's been considered worse than a whole host of potential and actual midfielders for his entire career - in the league's worst midfield. And everytime he plays on a decent small forward they kick 5 goals or upward.

Deal with it.

Is he a useful player? - yes.

Is he some sort of champion? - get real.
 
rayzor aint as bad as alot suggest. By that i mean. there are a few players ahead of him in the line standing at the exit door in my book anyway. ;)
 

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Realistic Tiger said:
I just get the feeling that Big Ray might be kept around for another season. Don't ask me why but I just think he will.
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I agree I always thought Ray was a solid contributor.... Sure he has been stiff with his injuries but fully fit he would have played every game this year.. or am I delusional and on the pipe...

Rays ok!!!!!
 
True Thylacine said:
Maybe its that feeling you get as you watch Moore get torn a new freckle by O'Keefe without so much as a whimper that gives you such thoughts? It does me.
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Perhaps thats what it is, just to have that extra big body that can bash and crash a little and protect the smaller blokes we rely on to get the job done.
 

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