Reece Conca

[Damo80]

im not saying he cant be a good player but he had a great 1st year then has had 2nd and 3rd year blues. he will come back but on exposed form his last 2 years has been ordinary.

Fair enough... perhaps his first year set him up for some unrealistic expectations for following years? My recollection was similar to yours, in that he had a great first year, solid second year, and so-so third year... Statistically his second year was (marginally) better than his first, and his third year better again (based on DT ratings).

 

[theflea]

Fair enough... perhaps his first year set him up for some unrealistic expectations for following years? My recollection was similar to yours, in that he had a great first year, solid second year, and so-so third year... Statistically his second year was (marginally) better than his first, and his third year better again (based on DT ratings).

and this is why you never ever take any notice of fantasy numbers.

 

[santa claws]

Haha. What an average list of players for such a high pick.

I don't know how people can still doubt Conca, he has everything you could possibly want in a modern footballer.

Great disposal, great decision maker, very smart player, tough and a good leader.

The only thing I would add is height/size. Then he would be Pendlebury.

theres nothing wrong with his height even if its 182cm which is what ive seen reproted a few times and comparing him to other players looks about right.
his weight and strength is far more important for a player who is to play as a well rounded mid that is inside and out.
theres plenty of good players at 182 or 185 for that matter but not too many of them weigh 78kg which is where conca is at for the second yr in a row.

182/78 may just be passable but 185/78 is too small.
joel selwood survives and thrives because hes 182/86 ablett is 182/88 carltons murphy is 180 and 80 gaff 183/80 undersized still but a better height weight ratio than conca.

if conca is 185cm for the role i expect him to play he needs another 7kg for starters and the strength and size that goes with it.
if hes 182cm id still like to see him put another 4 or 5 kg at least on his frame over the next couple of seasons.
either way i look upon the situation as conca having upside in the physical stakes.

just to finish essendons heppell is now listed at 189/85 up 4kg on last yr this should enable him to spend some time in the midfield this yr. what i like about heppell is his cool head and v/good decision making add the obviuos size and strength he will put on his 189cm frame and he makes for a real prospect.

its funny i prefered heppell and kavanagh to both conca and ellis and debated pre draft for us to take them.

 

[santa claws]

Can't remember the details but I thought it was reported that Collingwood were going to take him and he'd have been gone before our next pick. Haven't looked it up though.

yet people on draft day including sheehan and most of the experts were shocked we took him where we did saying them expected him to go much later.
fact is he was on no ones radar that early except ours. imo collingwood were always going to take fasolo and farmer at 45 and 46 these picks also show just how deep the draft went with both being tipped to go a bit higher.

i dont know how many times ive heard now that we took such and such because so and so were going to take him with their next pick. what a load of codswallop. if we are taking players early in fear of other clubs taking them we have the wrong people in charge.

 

[theflea]

yet people on draft day including sheehan and most of the experts were shocked we took him where we did saying them expected him to go much later.
fact is he was on no ones radar that early except ours. imo collingwood were always going to take fasolo and farmer at 45 and 46 these picks also show just how deep the draft went with both being tipped to go a bit higher.

i dont know how many times ive heard now that we took such and such because so and so were going to take him with their next pick. what a load of codswallop. if we are taking players early in fear of other clubs taking them we have the wrong people in charge.

and its also poppycock that its fact that they wernt on other clubs radar unless you have talked directly to the all clubs recruiters. dont take any notice of what supposed media types say is gospel. supposition only to support your argument.

 

[theflea]

theres nothing wrong with his height even if its 182cm which is what ive seen reproted a few times and comparing him to other players looks about right.
his weight and strength is far more important for a player who is to play as a well rounded mid that is inside and out.
theres plenty of good players at 182 or 185 for that matter but not too many of them weigh 78kg which is where conca is at for the second yr in a row.

182/78 may just be passable but 185/78 is too small.
joel selwood survives and thrives because hes 182/86 ablett is 182/88 carltons murphy is 180 and 80 gaff 183/80 undersized still but a better height weight ratio than conca.

if conca is 185cm for the role i expect him to play he needs another 7kg for starters and the strength and size that goes with it.
if hes 182cm id still like to see him put another 4 or 5 kg at least on his frame over the next couple of seasons.
either way i look upon the situation as conca having upside in the physical stakes.

just to finish essendons heppell is now listed at 189/85 up 4kg on last yr this should enable him to spend some time in the midfield this yr. what i like about heppell is his cool head and v/good decision making add the obviuos size and strength he will put on his 189cm frame and he makes for a real prospect.

its funny i prefered heppell and kavanagh to both conca and ellis and debated pre draft for us to take them.

conca is listed at 80kg's at the moment not 78. also we wont know until later on in their careers who was right or wrong.

 

[RichosGuns]

Conca isn't a lightweight noway, no how. Seeing him yesterday he looks to have almost the exact build as Matt White - 180cm 81/82kg

 

[Madison]

theres nothing wrong with his height even if its 182cm which is what ive seen reproted a few times and comparing him to other players looks about right.
his weight and strength is far more important for a player who is to play as a well rounded mid that is inside and out.
theres plenty of good players at 182 or 185 for that matter but not too many of them weigh 78kg which is where conca is at for the second yr in a row.

182/78 may just be passable but 185/78 is too small.
joel selwood survives and thrives because hes 182/86 ablett is 182/88 carltons murphy is 180 and 80 gaff 183/80 undersized still but a better height weight ratio than conca.

if conca is 185cm for the role i expect him to play he needs another 7kg for starters and the strength and size that goes with it.
if hes 182cm id still like to see him put another 4 or 5 kg at least on his frame over the next couple of seasons.
either way i look upon the situation as conca having upside in the physical stakes.

Conca doesn't look 185 to me. Which isn't that relevant, as I agree that strength plays more of a role. This is what I meant by size. I don't see him as an in and under player though, so he doesn't need to get to the same weight as Selwood. I see him as a link player.

I see Tuck/Foley getting the footy and getting it out to Conca who then get it's out to a man in space or hit's up a target I50 himself. I see him getting his share of clearances but not from the bottom of the pack. Cousins got his share of clearances too but he wasn't an inside player.

 

[theflea]

Conca doesn't look 185 to me. Which isn't that relevant, as I agree that strength plays more of a role. This is what I meant by size. I don't see him as an in and under player though, so he doesn't need to get to the same weight as Selwood. I see him as a link player.

I see Tuck/Foley getting the footy and getting it out to Conca who then get it's out to a man in space or hit's up a target I50 himself. I see him getting his share of clearances but not from the bottom of the pack. Cousins got his share of clearances too but he wasn't an inside player.

imo i do see him as both and in and under and outside player. if anything he tried to be too inside and dived on the ball then got locked up and pinged too many times last year.

 

[Bird Man]

sorry guys but to say he would go much later and was on no ones radar but ours is wrong ... Both west coast and freo wanted him bad i am told

 

[Slattery_20]

As for Heppell no doubt he is quality but i'm kind of happy we didn't grab him. Essendon have been extremely underhanded lately, the Bomber Thompson saga, pretty obvious draft tampering with Kavanagh, the Caddy situation and how all clubs had question marks over Heppells groins but Essendon seemed to have full access to his medical files from their own club doctor. He wanted to get to Essendon and got there good luck to the kid but if the AFL world has any sort of Karma i hope it comes back to bite Essendon on the @rse.

I will take issue with this one.
All clubs had access to Heppell's medical, all clubs had the same access to him to do their own medical, and he did all the testing at the camp.

End
of
story.


He played all year, he got the under 18s B&F, his club's B&F, did well in the AFL's own tests, was 100% cleared in all his medicals, and was clearly fairly fit and all class.
All clubs knew all of that, so if they decided that he was broken down - based on nothing more than hearsay - then more fool them.



It wasn't one of these cases where the kid was suddenly "sick" and couldn't do the running etc. That has happened, either clubs trying to keep quiet about how good a kid's fitness is or the kid trying to keep quiet how shit their fitness is.

Kavanagh stinks a bit, but the AFL did have a look into it and clear it.

 

[THE_GUN]

I will take issue with this one.
All clubs had access to Heppell's medical, all clubs had the same access to him to do their own medical, and he did all the testing at the camp.

End
of
story.


He played all year, he got the under 18s B&F, his club's B&F, did well in the AFL's own tests, was 100% cleared in all his medicals, and was clearly fairly fit and all class.
All clubs knew all of that, so if they decided that he was broken down - based on nothing more than hearsay - then more fool them.



It wasn't one of these cases where the kid was suddenly "sick" and couldn't do the running etc. That has happened, either clubs trying to keep quiet about how good a kid's fitness is or the kid trying to keep quiet how shit their fitness is.

Kavanagh stinks a bit, but the AFL did have a look into it and clear it.

Stinks a fair bit !!

But no club wants a player with attitude like that specially at his age, He will be a princess to deal with if drafted in the future against his will !

 

[CallMeAl]

what's the smelly deal with Kavanagh?

 

[Calcium Man]

I will take issue with this one.
All clubs had access to Heppell's medical, all clubs had the same access to him to do their own medical, and he did all the testing at the camp.

End
of
story.


He played all year, he got the under 18s B&F, his club's B&F, did well in the AFL's own tests, was 100% cleared in all his medicals, and was clearly fairly fit and all class.
All clubs knew all of that, so if they decided that he was broken down - based on nothing more than hearsay - then more fool them.



It wasn't one of these cases where the kid was suddenly "sick" and couldn't do the running etc. That has happened, either clubs trying to keep quiet about how good a kid's fitness is or the kid trying to keep quiet how shit their fitness is.

Kavanagh stinks a bit, but the AFL did have a look into it and clear it.

Not the complete story that I've heard.

 

[DerpWerls]

sorry guys but to say he would go much later and was on no ones radar but ours is wrong ... Both west coast and freo wanted him bad i am told

Fremantle might have but West Coast managed to jag Gaff and Darling out of the draft which is phenomenal.
Happy with Conca though he looks quality to me. Will be the sort of mid who just tirelessly racks up disposals and can use the ball well.

 

[santa claws]

Fair enough... perhaps his first year set him up for some unrealistic expectations for following years? My recollection was similar to yours, in that he had a great first year, solid second year, and so-so third year... Statistically his second year was (marginally) better than his first, and his third year better again (based on DT ratings).

yep forget abot dt ratings.
i acually thought rich had a better 2nd yr. he just didnt have all the hype.
his 3rd yr he had his fair share of niggles.
this kid is very good cops heavy tags but still finds enough ball.
i find it funny that carlton supporters write rich off and actually think yarran has out performed rich.
its like comparing chalk and cheese.
ones a genuine mid the others a bloke who has only managed to get a kick off hbf.

 

[santa claws]

Fremantle might have but West Coast managed to jag Gaff and Darling out of the draft which is phenomenal.
Happy with Conca though he looks quality to me. Will be the sort of mid who just tirelessly racks up disposals and can use the ball well.

hmm gaff darling and lycett who is going to be a pretty fair replacement for dean cox.
but lets face it gaff was a no brainer so was lycett. in a lot of ways darling was as well but the old attitude worries raised their ugly head and concerns about him being an inbetweener and he slipped.
i will never understand how a player who is rated in the top few in the country one yr is no good the next. what goes thru recruiters minds sometimes is well mindboggling.

 

[Livonski]

yep forget abot dt ratings.
i acually thought rich had a better 2nd yr. he just didnt have all the hype.
his 3rd yr he had his fair share of niggles.
this kid is very good cops heavy tags but still finds enough ball.
i find it funny that carlton supporters write rich off and actually think yarran has out performed rich.
its like comparing chalk and cheese.
ones a genuine mid the others a bloke who has only managed to get a kick off hbf.

Couldn't agree more santa. Rich gets contested ball and delivers under pressure with a lethal left foot. Gold imo.

 

[Boston tiger]

hmm gaff darling and lycett who is going to be a pretty fair replacement for dean cox.
but lets face it gaff was a no brainer so was lycett. in a lot of ways darling was as well but the old attitude worries raised their ugly head and concerns about him being an inbetweener and he slipped.
i will never understand how a player who is rated in the top few in the country one yr is no good the next. what goes thru recruiters minds sometimes is well mindboggling.

That Darling pickup will go down as one of the great ones in history. Do you think clubs put out negative stuff etc to put other clubs off?

 

[DerpWerls]

That Darling pickup will go down as one of the great ones in history. Do you think clubs put out negative stuff etc to put other clubs off?

Healy & Sheahan said on the couch that there was an incident that "West Coast made sure all the other clubs heard about".

According to wikipedia he did get suspended from school (lol) and spent a night in hospital after a fight in a nightclub.

Clubs pay attention to this stuff at there own peril, but you do want to get someone with the right attitude with your first pick.

Still amazed that he slipped to the second round though! He is a gun.

 

[Madison]

Healy & Sheahan said on the couch that there was an incident that "West Coast made sure all the other clubs heard about".

According to wikipedia he did get suspended from school (lol) and spent a night in hospital after a fight in a nightclub.

Clubs pay attention to this stuff at there own peril, but you do want to get someone with the right attitude with your first pick.

Still amazed that he slipped to the second round though! He is a gun.

He also had an average second year in the TAC cup (though there was speculation this could be because he knew he was going to get drafted and was treading water), and he was playing CHF at about 190cm and didn't grow in that second year (IIRC).

 

[MightyTiger]

He also had an average second year in the TAC cup (though there was speculation this could be because he knew he was going to get drafted and was treading water), and he was playing CHF at about 190cm and didn't grow in that second year (IIRC).

I remember watching a TAC game the year of the draft and kept a close eye on both Watson and Darling, I must say Watson dominated him like I've never seen before, beating him body on body, in the air, on the ground and in general play, Darling looked totally disinterested.

I was highly surprised that Darling had the year he did last year and Watson now looking like the slow and disinterested one.

 

[DerpWerls]

Well Watson only played 3 afl games, hard to call based on that. Kennedy is more of a utility type so easy m to slot into a side.

 

[SumTingWong]

That Darling pickup will go down as one of the great ones in history. Do you think clubs put out negative stuff etc to put other clubs off?

I think he's over rated. He plays on the 3rd or 4th tall defender (that's if a team actually has one as they already have Kennedy, Natanui and Lynch for opposition to think of).
Doesn't do that much but take the odd mark and kick the odd goal in a team that finished top four where he gets pretty good service.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I think he's over rated. He plays on the 3rd or 4th tall defender (that's if a team actually has one as they already have Kennedy, Natanui and Lynch for opposition to think of).
Doesn't do that much but take the odd mark and kick the odd goal in a team that finished top four where he gets pretty good service.

Is very quick for his size, laid a lot of run down from behind type tackles last year. I just query whether he has the height to become a true KPF. As you say, once he gets the first or second best defender, his life as a forward will be made somewhat harder.