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BrunoV

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This is not just a reaction to yesterday (specifically he was putrid last week as well) he has a history.

I will acknolwedge his strenghts before getting tuck in because it is only fair. He is up there with the most courageous players in the league (evidenced by his mark in the thrid quarter to cut of a Riewoldt lead). Henry can also do the occassional stopping role on some of the more average small forwards in the game.

The major issue I have is that Slattery simply cannot play the game. The first thing Slattery supporters will do in response to this will point to a game where he arguably beat someone of the ilk of Didak as evidence that he has a role to play. Arguably, he beat Milne one on one last night as well. There major issue with the line of argument is that by vitrue of their role, small forwards don't gusually get much of the ball and fade in and out of games which is as much the result of their own team as it is the performance of the backman. Just beating one of these players is not good enough, especially when we need good decision makers (and users of the ball) coming out of the areas that Slattery oftenfinds himself.

The win last night paints over a few cracks from last week that are still there. The major crack is our system of bringing the ball out of defence (our players still dont actually understan when to handball the ball). More often than not when we turn the ball over without even kicking the thing Slattey is involved. The stats dont reflect just how much he turns the ball over because he doesn't kick the thing.

The insistance that we need Slattery has to stop. His role is essentially simple andcan be taught to a player like Houli who can actually play the game.

Slattery is a liability whose output is negative most weeks.
 
I don't think you could be more wrong. Mulitple times last night when the game was in the balance he put his body on the line and won some massive hard ball.

You may be able to teach a player how to defend but you cannot teach a player to show the courage of Slats and win the hard ball. That is all guts and instinct.

I thought he was one of our best players last night and a key to our defense going forward.
 
Hmm, I read the original post and I can't say that I saw any real reasons as to why Slattery is a bad player. It's an opinion and that's understandable, we all have our opinions about players. The selectors go off performances, and that's why Slattery has consistently been selected.
 

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So you are guys just going to ignore the 5 critical turn overs last night and the 10 (maybe exaggeated by one or two) from last week, and all of the weeks past?

Something I forgot to mention in the OP is that we have seen it all. There is virtually no improvement left, other than cleaning up the disposal / decision making (which is very difficult to teach). He can't play the game, and is not of AFL standard. His position has to be question (more than it is).
 
So you are guys just going to ignore the 5 critical turn overs last night and the 10 (maybe exaggeated by one or two) from last week, and all of the weeks past?

3 clangers yesterday and 1 from the week before.

Try and get something right please.
 
Whomb, as sick as you are of the Slatery basing we (his critics) are sick of the blind obedience to the party line of the 'We love Henry Slattery and weill defend him regardless of his performance' fan club.

Anyone suggesting that he was one of our best has lost the plot. He turned the ball over at crucial tims, not to mention handballing to players under pressure.
 
He makes one mistake a week that stands out and we end up with threads like this.

He was brilliant last night, let's not forget that he doesn't just get the oppositions most dangerous small each week but he's expected to chop off leads from power forwards.

Week after week he puts himself in a position to get smashed and keeps going back for more. A couple of his marks last night set the agenda for the night.

Yep, he makes mistakes. So does Fletcher, so does Watson...

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he finished 5-8 in the B&F.
 
Anyone suggesting that he was one of our best has lost the plot. He turned the ball over at crucial tims, not to mention handballing to players under pressure.

Just wondering, I didn't get to watch the game as per usual, but how many times was he given the ball under pressure? How many of his handballs to players under pressure were due to himself receiving a handball under pressure?
 

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A major crack in our game is how we bring it out of defence. Are you serious? We carved a hole through their zone from the run and dare through the back half in the first three quarters, but we tighten up and had tired players in the last quarter.

We were the first team to kick over a 100 points against the Saints all year and it was hugely due to our play from defence. Also, the way we bring the ball out of defence means that sometimes we do turn the ball over, but much more is created out of this play than is forfeited. I think you'll see a few more teams trying this style of play against the Saints over the last four weeks of September.

Not every player on our list needs to be silky smooth. Sometimes it has to be the gritty one-on-one players that need to play a role for the team and Slats does this atm. It is very common that your best 22 players don't make up your final 22. You need team balance.
 
personally i rate slats... but to be honest he is a bettler.. he would have been a much better player in the 90s where you could hold and scrag a little more.. my only problem with him is that he gives away stupid free kicks too regularly right around the goals.. if he can eliminate this he is definately part of our next premiership charge..
 
He was brilliant last night, let's not forget that he doesn't just get the oppositions most dangerous small each week but he's expected to chop off leads from power forwards.

Week after week he puts himself in a position to get smashed and keeps going back for more. A couple of his marks last night set the agenda for the night..

Well said Longy.

Unbeleivable how some players are judged.
 
Like I said, his turnovers are not refelcted in stats.

They are handballs to players under pressure, refusing to kick the ball even though he should and other poor decisions.

This is a part of modern football. A quick give to a player under pressure with the understanding to get it back quite often creates the extra yardage to set a player free to deliver it up field. We did it well yesterday, but there are times that it is going to fail - particularly against a tackling team like the Saints.

It is better to try and win a game (take chances) that not try and lose like a lot of teams have done agains the Saints this year.
 
Whomb, as sick as you are of the Slatery basing we (his critics) are sick of the blind obedience to the party line of the 'We love Henry Slattery and weill defend him regardless of his performance' fan club.

Anyone suggesting that he was one of our best has lost the plot. He turned the ball over at crucial tims, not to mention handballing to players under pressure.

Well stated. You have to admire his efort and c ourage, b ut th is doesn't change the fact that he is simply not very good.

Prior to the last 2 weeks Slattery fans were asking who else we have that can play on small forwards. I think Atkinson has proved, without doubt, that he is abetter option. Houli did a better job on Milne last time than Slattery did yesterday. We have Hocking, Reimers, Dempsey, Winderlich, Welsh and Dyson who can all play a small defenders role, all are better options, so where does Henry fit in?
 

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Hocking is not a better option, Houli did not do a better job.
I haven't seen Houli do what Slattery did in front of Roo and Kosi last night.

Winderlich, Dyson and Welsh are midfielders.

Reimers and Dempsey are attacking half back flankers.

Why would we rob ourselves of attacking players to remove a bloke who does his job every week?
 
Slats is completely underrated and keeps his direct opponent quiet most weeks. Look at the games he was missing, our backline looked a shambles. He may look like a deer caught in headlights sometimes when he has the ball, but his negating role against his opponent cannot be emphasised enough.

Haters, watch the game properly and get a clue.
 
I can understand people's frustration with Slatts, but people forget it takes 22 different styles of players to create a winning team. As much as you need fast skillful players you need courageous tough players who stick to a task. For the mistakes Slatts makes he more than makes up for it with other efforts that the Slatts bashers tend to over look. I can think of two mistakes that cost goals yesterday and we all know that's not great but when your playing on the last line of defense in a defensive unit as young as the one we trotted out in the 2nd half these things happen!
 
Just wondering, I didn't get to watch the game as per usual, but how many times was he given the ball under pressure? How many of his handballs to players under pressure were due to himself receiving a handball under pressure?

^^^^^^This. And I know which player kept selling him hospital handballs.
 
People need to remember, when hank playing in a back pocket, His mistakes are more obvious as a shot at goal usually the result.

Midfielders turn the ball over consistently, however its not as obvious.

Slattery, has been a very good contributer to the side this season.

Sometimes though he is indescisive, however, even brendan goddard was yesterday.
 

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