Reid moves down back

[Dundalis]

He is potentially our best forward? Why? Because he can run fast and jump high? He's not a particularly great footballer, and doesn't have particularly great skills. Sure he's a step above someone like Tristan Walker, but he is still essentially an athlete playing football. He will never be anything close to what people are predicting he will be. This bottom age rubbish is only relevent when he is drafted. He'll be 20 a few rounds into the season, and hasn't looked anything like a footballer at senior level. Let's hope he can make some sort of impact down back, because he has been poor up forward. One thing I really don't like is that he's got no balls. Far too scared out there which doesn't really bode well. Young players need to play with confidence or they don't develop.

 

[shawthing09]

Because his quicker, more agile, smarter and a better over head mark then Dawes. He has the first 2 over Cloke too. His more agile and taller and likely to be stronger then Rusling.

I'd argue that the only time he has looked below AFL standard was in the north melbourne game. I'd also go as far as saying he looked (barring that horrid shot at goal) top class AFL standard against Carlton.

He has a clear nerve problem which hopefully is overcome with getting comfortable at the standard and in his ability. His got a balance issue which can hopefully be addressed as he adds to his core strength. He then has the goal kicking issue which is unlikely to change.

 

[smiddaz123]

Because his quicker, more agile, smarter and a better over head mark then Dawes. He has the first 2 over Cloke too. His more agile and taller and likely to be stronger then Rusling.

I'd argue that the only time he has looked below AFL standard was in the north melbourne game. I'd also go as far as saying he looked (barring that horrid shot at goal) top class AFL standard against Carlton.

He has a clear nerve problem which hopefully is overcome with getting comfortable at the standard and in his ability. His got a balance issue which can hopefully be addressed as he adds to his core strength. He then has the goal kicking issue which is unlikely to change.

Reid strikes me as awfully clumsy. At ground level I actually have more confidence in both Dawes and Cloke personally. imo he doesn't collect cleanly enough and when he does, he rushes.

I think Reid is the smartest of the three when it comes to leading, he is exceptionally good at this and times his leads well and leads to the right place, but with the ball in hand I think Dawes is smarter than Cloke and Reid. Especially Cloke though, who is FAR too predictable with what he does.

Reid comes off as very introverted and almost bordering on scared of the attention imo. This is a character trait that will probably stay with him in some form his entire career, which WILL hinder him. Dawes is naturally confident, a leader and extroverted. A major reason I think he has come so far in a short space of time, the same goes for Nathan Brown. Confidence is a massive factor in how good you'll be, sadly I don't think Reid has this. He looks timid out on the field to be honest.

Also, when it comes to overhead marking I rate Dawes ahead of Reid. Dawes may look awkward at times, but his actual hands hold the ball far more then Reid imo. I recall Cloke in his early days dropping complete sitters.

Dawes is our best long term forward prospect imo.

 

[Dundalis]

Because his quicker, more agile, smarter and a better over head mark then Dawes. He has the first 2 over Cloke too. His more agile and taller and likely to be stronger then Rusling.

I'd argue that the only time he has looked below AFL standard was in the north melbourne game. I'd also go as far as saying he looked (barring that horrid shot at goal) top class AFL standard against Carlton.

He has a clear nerve problem which hopefully is overcome with getting comfortable at the standard and in his ability. His got a balance issue which can hopefully be addressed as he adds to his core strength. He then has the goal kicking issue which is unlikely to change.

He's done one or two goods things in a couple of games. That is not enough to suggest a top class performance. But mostly he's done nothing. Against North he was obviously poor. Against Carlton he was solid and naught more. He had very little impact on the game despite 16 possessions and 9 marks.

He will never be half the forward Travis Cloke is. Reid is also quicker and more agile than Jonathan Brown. More athletic qualities that have minimum say in how good a player someone will be.

Too many flaws that we 'hope' will change. Most stars have got 'it' when they start. The so called late bloomers, like a Dean Cox type had flaws that were genuinely easily fixed, like fitness issues.

 

[kevind]

He's done one or two goods things in a couple of games. That is not enough to suggest a top class performance. But mostly he's done nothing. Against North he was obviously poor. Against Carlton he was solid and naught more. He had very little impact on the game despite 16 possessions and 9 marks.

He will never be half the forward Travis Cloke is. Reid is also quicker and more agile than Jonathan Brown. More athletic qualities that have minimum say in how good a player someone will be.

Too many flaws that we 'hope' will change. Most stars have got 'it' when they start. The so called late bloomers, like a Dean Cox type had flaws that were genuinely easily fixed, like fitness issues.

Part of your post IMO explains why Reid will never be a top footballer. He is very capable in the athletic areas of out running his opponent to set up uncontested marks in space. It will take a very athletic defender to keep up with him. But the crunch is he will never be a very effective footballer because he is a very poor contested mark(Dawes destroys him in this area) and above all he is one of the most terrible kicks to ever play AFL.

Therefore he may be capable of getting a lot of possessions but he will be unable to hurt the opposition. He may in fact do more damage to us with a 20 possesion game.

Hawthorn set up their premiership this year by deciding many years ago not to recruit players who can't kick. Reid and Stanley are prime examples of a flawed recruiting strategy.

 

[the mighty T]

ive always been a big supporter of reid, because i can see a lot of potential in him
but a move down back would be great for us...a tall athletic CHB, who is just as quick as most of the CHF's in the comp is a fantastic asset

im thinking more along the lines of...

B: maxwell, brown, anthony
HB: shaw, reid, o'brien

HF: Didak, cloke, thomas
F: rusling, dawes, medhurst

...to develop over the next few years
with reid playing true CHB it will allow anthony to become the 3rd man in contests, like tom harley for the cats

 

[Spagger83]

Part of your post IMO explains why Reid will never be a top footballer. He is very capable in the athletic areas of out running his opponent to set up uncontested marks in space. It will take a very athletic defender to keep up with him. But the crunch is he will never be a very effective footballer because he is a very poor contested mark(Dawes destroys him in this area) and above all he is one of the most terrible kicks to ever play AFL.

Therefore he may be capable of getting a lot of possessions but he will be unable to hurt the opposition. He may in fact do more damage to us with a 20 possesion game.

Hawthorn set up their premiership this year by deciding many years ago not to recruit players who can't kick. Reid and Stanley are prime examples of a flawed recruiting strategy.

agree 100%, geez and i thought i was the only pie's supporter here without those rose-coloured glasses!

 

[shawthing09]

Dawes destroys Reid in contested marking because Dawes is a big well developed kid. Reid is starting to fill out and whist he is unlikely to be as good as Dawes in this area he will be better then he is currently.

Re: overhead marking let me make it clear i am not talking about when he takes it at eye level. Dawes is fine at that point.
I am talking about arms fully extended over head marking. Dawes doesn't just look clumsy he looks plain unco. I have never in my life seen an AFL level foward go to take an overhead mark and go aligator style and get nothing but fresh air until Dawes. Ried is able to take pretty clean one grab marks whilst running full pace and fully extended.

Fact of the matter is taking the ball at the lower level which Dawes is reliant on makes it much easier for defenders. The best fowards take the ball at the highest possible point and Dawes is awful in this aspect.

 

[Spagger83]

Dawes destroys Reid in contested marking because Dawes is a big well developed kid. Reid is starting to fill out and whist he is unlikely to be as good as Dawes in this area he will be better.

Re: overhead marking let me make it clear i am not talking about when he takes it at eye level. Dawes is fine at that point.
I am talking about arms fully extended over head marking. Dawes doesn't just look clumsy he looks plain unco. I have never in my life seen an AFL level foward go to take an overhead mark and go aligator style and get nothing but fresh air until Dawes. Ried is able to take pretty clean one grab marks whilst running full pace and fully extended.

Fact of the matter is taking the ball at the lower level which Dawes is reliant on makes it much easier for defenders. The best fowards take the ball at the highest possible point and Dawes is awful in this aspect.

point taken, but this is about reid being moved to chb because he cant?wont? didnt? make it as a forward, and thats not our opinion, thats the collingwood coaching staff's opinion...hence the move!

 

[shawthing09]

point taken, but this is about reid being moved to chb because he cant?wont? didnt? make it as a forward, and thats not our opinion, thats the collingwood coaching staff's opinion...hence the move!

No point having a key foward who can't finish I have said as much.

 

[Spagger83]

No point having a key foward who can't finish I have said as much.

we'll have to wait and see if dawes gets moved to the backline with your mate reid. till then hopefully he will be kicking straight with a fluent action that makes reidy cry from the backline!

we're all beautiful...magpies 2009 slogan, just remember that!

 

[rand corp]

He already possesses one of the key natural attributes of a good backman:

His set-shot kicking for goal.

IMHO, he was always going to be a bit of a frustrating enigma as a forward, looked like he could get plenty of the footy as he developed, particularly on the mark and lead, BUT his set shot kicking for goal is some of the worst i have ever seen, even in junior footy and that was always going to be a major flaw, perhaps critical. He makes Travis Cloke look like Peter McKenna.

With his pace and athleticism he will make contests as a backman and could be alright, needs to work on core strength and not getting knocked out of a contest and needs to work on second and third efforts, ground-level work.

 

[popathon]

Don't forget Reid only made the draft by a few days, he's basically the same age as Kreuzer. I agree with part of what smiddazzz said in that he lacks confidence, but with a few more years a nd a few more Kg's i think he'll be able to overcome it.