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NFL Relocations and League Expansion
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Report: Austin is a possible destination, real or threatened, for Bills
Maybe they’re negotiating. But in any negotiation, the negotiators need to be willing to act in order to have any credibility. As to the negotiation between the Bills and Buffalo that has beg…
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Makes me seriously mad. Owners can go and get ****ed. all of them
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Jerry taking a little beating for his comments here. I'll summarize the full thread ...
Firstly, very touchy/boneheaded to even mention Toronto, as part of why the Bills staying in Buffalo matters, people misconstruing it.
Secondly, how special AFL small market places are ... Yet ignores how the Dallas Texans moved to KC due to market pressure, Chargers moved from LA to SD but more importantly encouraged to move to LA in recent years after being a SD team for 50+ years, and of course the Raiders moving out of that special region in the Bay Area for LA and then Las Vegas.
Firstly, very touchy/boneheaded to even mention Toronto, as part of why the Bills staying in Buffalo matters, people misconstruing it.
Secondly, how special AFL small market places are ... Yet ignores how the Dallas Texans moved to KC due to market pressure, Chargers moved from LA to SD but more importantly encouraged to move to LA in recent years after being a SD team for 50+ years, and of course the Raiders moving out of that special region in the Bay Area for LA and then Las Vegas.
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Oh and the Oilers moving to Memphis.
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Comments from reddit ...
Naysayers will say that he just doesn't want the market competition in Austin, Texas, but he's 100% right. Buffalo is the closest thing in the NFL to a college football culture. The fans and everything you hear about that city is amazing. Their 4 straight Super Bowl losses are tragic, but alternatively, it also revealed what a wholesome community that is to stand by their team so passionately.
Also, Austin, Texas sounds like a terrible place to try an put a new NFL team. The Texas Longhorns are essentially that city's pro team. They may not truly be competitive or relevant *on the field*, but they're still an enormous football brand. They have their own damn ESPN channel. You move the Bills there to be second fiddle to that and remove one of the greatest fanbase cultures in the NFL (that being the people of Buffalo).
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I find team owners especially teams that historically haven't been good leaving laughable and no city should take them seriously. The bills are good now but, as any team is, they are a spell of injuries away from mediocrity. Look at Spanos they lost loads of money with their move to LA and are on the verge of selling the team
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To betray Bills Mafia over some petty bs makes me feel sick. The Pegulas also own the Buffalo Sabres. They pretty much burned all of the goodwill they got for buying the Bills and promising to keep them in Buffalo. If the Bills leave, the only people to blame are the Pegulas.
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If Green Bay didn't have the scorched earth clause and public ownership, it would have been moved before nearly anyone on this sub was born.
Considering I grew up closer to the Vikings than GB and had to hear about their previous owner threatening to move cities frequently, I'm very grateful for that clause.
Could you explain what you mean by scorched earth clause?
If I remember the details correctly, in the team charter, there's a clause which basically says if the team is ever moved, then it legally has to fold, liquidate it's assets, and donate *everything* to a local charity (I think it was originally the GB VFW?)
So even if a majority of shareholders/directors wanted to do so, it can't be done. And to be realistic, any directors *trying* to do so would be found face down in the fox river the next morning.
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And by “work something out” he means a tax funded stadium that signs a big contract with Legends hospitality -- a company owned by Jerry Jones
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The Buffalo Bills have selected Legends, a sports firm co-owned by Dallas Cowboys' President Jerry Jones, to represent ownership in their efforts to build a new stadium, according to a new report.
Legends will also reportedly represent the team to sell sponsorships and premium seats for the prospective new stadium.
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In 2019, Legends negotiated the largest naming rights deal in the National Football League when SoFi agreed to a 20-year, $30 million deal with Kroenke Sports & Entertainment and the Los Angeles Chargers to sponsor SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, California.
Hes going to make money off this either way.
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Read thread on this twitter too, interesting reading.....people suggesting part of the settlement could be handing St.Louis a franchise again.
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Why not another equine name? Was the proposed name for a St Louis team before the Rams came. Dunno tho, reckon this time around there will be a ton of names to consider
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I knew about that, said so in that post. Just not sure that would be a favored option again in the 2020s. That color scheme (similar to Vikings) and that logo/name (similar to Broncos).
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National media needs to cover the Rams relocation litigation
Posted by Mike Florio on September 15, 2021, 8:49 PM EDT
One of the most significant pieces of litigation against the NFL in years continues to play out in a St. Louis courtroom. And most of the national media continues to look the other way.
Tuesday’s ruling on the NFL’s so-called motion for summary judgment means that, absent a settlement, the lawsuit filed against the league as a result of the relocation of the Rams will go to trial unless it’s settled. And while many are simply shrugging and saying that the case will soon settle, the lawyers representing the plaintiffs surely realize the enhanced value of a settlement to the league given Tuesday’s outcome — and they surely will be adjusting their demands accordingly.
Think of the trial in A Few Good Men. That case had only one Col. Nathan Jessup. This case will have several, from the Commissioner to every owner who takes the stand. Folks with that amount of wealth, power, and influence simply aren’t wired to defer to any authority other than their own. Absent the kind of aggressive coaching that could prompt them to eventually fire the lawyers who are trying to prepare them to properly hold up under questioning, they will not be good witnesses. They will get frustrated. They will get agitated. They won’t realize they’re being set up to be caught in an inconsistency that will invite the jury to conclude they’re lying. They may blow their stacks and give up the ghost, like Col. Jessup eventually did.
The only way to avoid that is to settle. And that will now be ridiculously expensive. It should be. Apart from the specific nuts and bolts regarding actual financial losses and the like, the plaintiffs have a tiger by the tail. Actually, they have several tigers by the tail. And they have the power to force each of those tigers to surrender their fangs, claws, and stripes and settle into a witness box.
It’s unclear where it will go from here. Maybe the league will pay whatever it takes. Maybe the league has some secret legal strategy up its sleeve to prevent a trial. Maybe the league will offer St. Louis an expansion team as a last-ditch way to get out of this mess.
Regardless, without a settlement there will be a trial. And it will be compelling.
Amazingly, the case has largely been ignored by the national media. While it’s no surprise that NFL Network and NFL.com have given the case third-rail treatment, the fact that they’re owned by the league and housed in the stadium complex Stan Kroenke built when fleeing St. Louis doesn’t make the silence proper or appropriate. If NFL Media wants to be regarded as a legitimate media operation, it must cover this case.
Other national brands are avoiding it, like ESPN.com. After years of strained relations with 345 Park Avenue, it’s no surprise. ESPN has tried hard recently to resurrect its relationship with the league. Although ESPN posted several stories about the case during the early phases of the litigation, it’s been crickets from Bristol as the league has endured multiple significant losses in recent weeks, from a finding that the financial information of the Commissioner and various owners must be disclosed given the possibility of an award of punitive damages to the decision not to move the case to a new county to Tuesday’s monumental conclusion that the case will proceed to a trial in open court.
The league often bristles at adverse coverage or criticism from any of its many business partners. Presumably, owning and operating a media company that always treads lightly on matters involving ownership makes the league expect similar treatment from others.
Still, the NFL can huff and puff all it wants about PFT or anyone else pointing out the existence of the St. Louis case and the potentially serious financial consequences that the league may be facing. None of that will change the fact that, at or about the time the Rams are hosting the Super Bowl in their new L.A. stadium, a judge and jury in Missouri may blow the league’s house down.
Posted by Mike Florio on September 15, 2021, 8:49 PM EDT
One of the most significant pieces of litigation against the NFL in years continues to play out in a St. Louis courtroom. And most of the national media continues to look the other way.
Tuesday’s ruling on the NFL’s so-called motion for summary judgment means that, absent a settlement, the lawsuit filed against the league as a result of the relocation of the Rams will go to trial unless it’s settled. And while many are simply shrugging and saying that the case will soon settle, the lawyers representing the plaintiffs surely realize the enhanced value of a settlement to the league given Tuesday’s outcome — and they surely will be adjusting their demands accordingly.
Think of the trial in A Few Good Men. That case had only one Col. Nathan Jessup. This case will have several, from the Commissioner to every owner who takes the stand. Folks with that amount of wealth, power, and influence simply aren’t wired to defer to any authority other than their own. Absent the kind of aggressive coaching that could prompt them to eventually fire the lawyers who are trying to prepare them to properly hold up under questioning, they will not be good witnesses. They will get frustrated. They will get agitated. They won’t realize they’re being set up to be caught in an inconsistency that will invite the jury to conclude they’re lying. They may blow their stacks and give up the ghost, like Col. Jessup eventually did.
The only way to avoid that is to settle. And that will now be ridiculously expensive. It should be. Apart from the specific nuts and bolts regarding actual financial losses and the like, the plaintiffs have a tiger by the tail. Actually, they have several tigers by the tail. And they have the power to force each of those tigers to surrender their fangs, claws, and stripes and settle into a witness box.
It’s unclear where it will go from here. Maybe the league will pay whatever it takes. Maybe the league has some secret legal strategy up its sleeve to prevent a trial. Maybe the league will offer St. Louis an expansion team as a last-ditch way to get out of this mess.
Regardless, without a settlement there will be a trial. And it will be compelling.
Amazingly, the case has largely been ignored by the national media. While it’s no surprise that NFL Network and NFL.com have given the case third-rail treatment, the fact that they’re owned by the league and housed in the stadium complex Stan Kroenke built when fleeing St. Louis doesn’t make the silence proper or appropriate. If NFL Media wants to be regarded as a legitimate media operation, it must cover this case.
Other national brands are avoiding it, like ESPN.com. After years of strained relations with 345 Park Avenue, it’s no surprise. ESPN has tried hard recently to resurrect its relationship with the league. Although ESPN posted several stories about the case during the early phases of the litigation, it’s been crickets from Bristol as the league has endured multiple significant losses in recent weeks, from a finding that the financial information of the Commissioner and various owners must be disclosed given the possibility of an award of punitive damages to the decision not to move the case to a new county to Tuesday’s monumental conclusion that the case will proceed to a trial in open court.
The league often bristles at adverse coverage or criticism from any of its many business partners. Presumably, owning and operating a media company that always treads lightly on matters involving ownership makes the league expect similar treatment from others.
Still, the NFL can huff and puff all it wants about PFT or anyone else pointing out the existence of the St. Louis case and the potentially serious financial consequences that the league may be facing. None of that will change the fact that, at or about the time the Rams are hosting the Super Bowl in their new L.A. stadium, a judge and jury in Missouri may blow the league’s house down.
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Jaguars or Chargers to St Louis to avoid having a 33rd team.....could be a possibility.
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Id say Jaguars most likely. Smallest media market, the franchise is on the edge of even more dysfunction with Meyer rumors. How would St Louis feel about stealing another city's team after they had one stolen?
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He makes great points, hard to argue.
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St Louis Saints does sound nice.
I’m putting it out there that St Louis is the Gold Coast of the US. Clubs either die there or move.
I’m putting it out there that St Louis is the Gold Coast of the US. Clubs either die there or move.
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Saints could relocate within LA tho, Baton Rouge, don't have to be SA or SL.
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Could call them that if they go to St Louis or even Memphis.BR but call it Miss Saints.
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Oilers back to Memphis
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Good discussion thread....
