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Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
Today and Anzac day are great wastes of time. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

If we really 'remembered', we wouldnt partcipate in any more inhuman wars.
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Words, don't describe the sheer idioticy and ignorance of that comment.
 

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Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
Today and Anzac day are great wastes of time. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

If we really 'remembered', we wouldnt partcipate in any more inhuman wars.
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so you think that those soldiers that died so you can sit here now and live the life your living dont deserve to be remembered?? Would you rather be sitting here eating sushi and speaking Japanese??? Or live in a world dominated by Germans?? I agree with you about war but the soldiers that gave their lives back then didnt choose to start the wars of today...
 
RooDog said:
so you think that those soldiers that died so you can sit here now and live the life your living dont deserve to be remembered?? Would you rather be sitting here eating sushi and speaking Japanese??? Or live in a world dominated by Germans?? I agree with you about war but the soldiers that gave their lives back then didnt choose to start the wars of today...
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-Firstly many of those soldiers didnt choose to die for us. Many didnt know what they were going for while others saw the army as a ticket out of poverty. Sad that the only way they can live a decent life is to be paid to kill others, isnt't it?


- You are right they didnt choose to start the wars of today. But they did to choose to participate in wars which ulitimately caused other wars.

-And Rememberance day and Anzac day do more harm than good. We only 'remember' our dead as if the people within our state are more important or desrving. This sort of irrational patriotism is the sort of adhesive that enables the ruling class to continue propagating warfare as a necessity.
 
Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
-Firstly many of those soldiers didnt choose to die for us. Many didnt know what they were going for while others saw the army as a ticket out of poverty. Sad that the only way they can live a decent life is to be paid to kill others, isnt't it?


- You are right they didnt choose to start the wars of today. But they did to choose to participate in wars which ulitimately caused other wars.

-And Rememberance day and Anzac day do more harm than good. We only 'remember' our dead as if the people within our state are more important or desrving. This sort of irrational patriotism is the sort of adhesive that enables the ruling class to continue propagating warfare as a necessity.
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- i agree with the fact that they were mislead and war was glorified tog et people to go and it also was an escape from poverty, but when they fought they fought with a lot of valour. a lot of them probably werent much older than you and i and they had to see and face some horrific things.

- at the time they didnt know that they were going to be the cause of new wars, they thought they were doing the right thing and what they were doing then would end all wars.

-agree to some extent...

its not the soldiers that start wars though they just fight them.
 
RooDog said:
- at the time they didnt know that they were going to be the cause of new wars, they thought they were doing the right thing and what they were doing then would end all wars.
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There is some validity to this point



its not the soldiers that start wars though they just fight them. [/QUOTE]

But dude, without soldiers fighting wars, rich peoplke wouldnt be able to start them
 
Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
Today and Anzac day are great wastes of time. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

If we really 'remembered', we wouldnt partcipate in any more inhuman wars.
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This isn't about politics, it's about people that died for this country.

Have some respect please.
 
Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
Today and Anzac day are great wastes of time. Bunch of jingoistic crap.

If we really 'remembered', we wouldnt partcipate in any more inhuman wars.
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How rude!

You say that you wanted ppl to respect you. You won't get any respect now with disrespectful posts like this about our war heroes.
 
Funk, its a very cynical view you possess (and in true BF form i won't dispute your opinion, they are yours and mine are mine) - but remembrance and ANZAC days are different for many people. I see the days as not only remembering those who died needlessly for the good of the chair moisteners, but also to remember the families who had to pick up the pieces after such tragedy.

I don't celebrate Anzac day or rememberance day, i mourn it - its has become a time when propoganda does run rife, but i will always make sure my offspring feel something about their ancestors who gave so much and lost more.
 

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ExTasDeeMan said:
Funk, its a very cynical view you possess (and in true BF form i won't dispute your opinion, they are yours and mine are mine) - but remembrance and ANZAC days are different for many people. I see the days as not only remembering those who died needlessly for the good of the chair moisteners, but also to remember the families who had to pick up the pieces after such tragedy.

I don't celebrate Anzac day or rememberance day, i mourn it - its has become a time when propoganda does run rife, but i will always make sure my offspring feel something about their ancestors who gave so much and lost more.
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I am not disputing the horrendous costs. But placing OUR dead soldiers on a higher plane than others lubricates the wheels of irrational patriotism.

Id advocate some sort of day to be set aside where the entire world (not just tribes) truly remembers its war dead by resolving never to commit another act of violence again.

Is there a more respectable way to remember them than to ensure their sacrifices did actually result in a better world????
 
Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
I am not disputing the horrendous costs. But placing OUR dead soldiers on a higher plane than others lubricates the wheels of irrational patriotism.

Id advocate some sort of day to be set aside where the entire world (not just tribes) truly remembers its war dead by resolving never to commit another act of violence again.

Is there a more respectable way to remember them than to ensure their sacrifices did actually result in a better world????
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Just as long as McDonalds don't make anymore ultra-cynical tv ads.

Having a world observing a day as one would be a great thing to have, but the monopoly would make sure it was all about them. We can only work towards that goal, but in truth for the world to stand as one with peace is impossible as someone always has penis envy.
 
Funkyzeit mit Matt said:
I am not disputing the horrendous costs. But placing OUR dead soldiers on a higher plane than others lubricates the wheels of irrational patriotism.

Id advocate some sort of day to be set aside where the entire world (not just tribes) truly remembers its war dead by resolving never to commit another act of violence again.

Is there a more respectable way to remember them than to ensure their sacrifices did actually result in a better world????
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You can't change the past Funky.

Who says we are placing them on a higher plane? I don't get it. Your idea for a world day is a good one but I still don't see why you think it's a load of crap. I think what you said is really disrespectful and harsh.

*end of me posting in this thread*
 
spunky_d said:
You can't change the past Funky.

Who says we are placing them on a higher plane? I don't get it. Your idea for a world day is a good one but I still don't see why you think it's a load of crap. I think what you said is really disrespectful and harsh.

*end of me posting in this thread*
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When we remember only those who fought for 'us' (defined as the citizens within an artficially constructed state) we are automatically saying our dead are more important than anybody else. I find people who think this way to be disrectable and harsh.

And no, we cant change the past, but we can, and must, change the future.
 

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douva said:
Why do we only mourn Anglo-Saxon war-time deaths? Why not also commemorate those who died in battles between Aborigines and white ‘settlers’? How is an Aboriginal defending their nation, against the invading British hoards, less legitimate then Anglo’s defending the nation against the Japanese? Many Australians cannot accept the notion that Modern Australia was conceived in conquest. That’s why we drum up this rubbish that ANZAC day represents the birth of a nation. Lack of legitimacy is at the core of this attitude. In spite of all the racist rationalizations, deep down most Australians understand that Australia was taken by force from the Aborigines, and many outrageous deeds were committed in the process. Until this is accepted and enshrined into the nations psyche, I ain’t commemorating anything.
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I hear ya, but not many others can
 
douva said:
Why do we only mourn Anglo-Saxon war-time deaths? Why not also commemorate those who died in battles between Aborigines and white ‘settlers’? How is an Aboriginal defending their nation, against the invading British hoards, less legitimate then Anglo’s defending the nation against the Japanese? Many Australians cannot accept the notion that Modern Australia was conceived in conquest. That’s why we drum up this rubbish that ANZAC day represents the birth of a nation. Lack of legitimacy is at the core of this attitude. In spite of all the racist rationalizations, deep down most Australians understand that Australia was taken by force from the Aborigines, and many outrageous deeds were committed in the process. Until this is accepted and enshrined into the nations psyche, I ain’t commemorating anything.

Unofficially though, I’ll always salute those who fought against and contributed toward the demise of the Third Reich.
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also agree
 
I guess Matt would rather -

-eat sushi then parma...

-talk japanese then australian

-have his eyes shut, then open

-have sex with women with B cups, then d cups

-wear a kimino then boardies and a singlet

-drink green tea then beer

-watch sumo wrestling then footy....

mate you have no idea
 
Scottroo said:
I guess Matt would rather -

-eat sushi then parma...

-talk japanese then australian

-have his eyes shut, then open

-have sex with women with B cups, then d cups

-wear a kimino then boardies and a singlet

-drink green tea then beer

-watch sumo wrestling then footy....

mate you have no idea
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What has that got to do with anything.

Don't tell me you are one of those that believe the fairy story that at some point in History Australia was going to be invaded - read some history books, it aint true.

The only invasion of Australia was in 1788
 
Murray said:
What has that got to do with anything.

Don't tell me you are one of those that believe the fairy story that at some point in History Australia was going to be invaded - read some history books, it aint true.

The only invasion of Australia was in 1788
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So you think Japan would have been happy just owning Asia?
 

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