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olmate said:
so your crap is to have be bowed and kissed arse too because you say so
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Let's put this in perspective:

Gram is employed by an AFL football club. I'm employed by a company that's contracted to a rather large corporation.

It's in my personal contract, by way of a bargaining agreement (something AFL players are also bound to), that should I publicly (or perception is that my actions have reasonable potential to) sully the name of either employing party (including silly stuff like facebook posts etc.), then it's me who gets the arse if I repeat offend. If the scenario sees myself causing great enough harm (even potentially), I get fired and paid out on the spot for any remaining 'dues' of which I have racked up.

How is it any different for Gram?... and don't spin me any of that 'player's spotlight' crap.
 

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Whilst I am as nosey and curius as the next person regarding soap operas... this stuff is private and personal... not sure all the dirty linen (posts above) really needs to be aired in public...

I'm pissed at Grammy... for his inappropriate and possibly criminal behavior. And I'm sad for him... to play for your boyhood club, appear in 3 grand finals, starring in one of them... to go out like this... very tough...

Regarding the club, without the facts at my disposal, I'll just have to back them in, as always... it saddens me that we couldn't help him to sort himself out... I worry about what it says about our loyalty (or lack thereof...) but also look at it the other way... Grammy has disrespected the club and the rest of the playing as well as his ex by not reigning in his behavior... and if we had kept him on the list then that is another young man who doesn't get a shot at the big time...
 
Seeing players leave the club like this is pretty sad.

Hope Gram sorts himself out.
 
olmate said:
and i bet you cant kick a football......and if you can .....you aint much good

everyone has to have a life its up not up to us to judge or tell them how to live their life
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Are you serious ?? ... is this you Jason, or his brother perhaps.

He was repeatedly warned and threatened by the courts about his behaviour and told to stop and didnt heed their warnings. I dont need to judge him, the club has already done that for me.

By the way, I have a cracking left foot, thanks for asking.
 
Big Ted said:
Are you serious ?? ... is this you Jason, or his brother perhaps.

He was repeatedly warned and threatened by the courts about his behaviour and told to stop and didnt heed their warnings. I dont need to judge him, the club has already done that for me.

By the way, I have a cracking left foot, thanks for asking.
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Does your name also happen to be Tom? If so, welcome aboard. What number would you like? We have #1, #18.. available
 
i find it amazing how peoples views can change depending on the clubs stance.

earlier people were defending him, now they are in favor of the clubs stance. fair dinkum.

totally agree with @SainterK's view. our club grew up today. the stance of club before player, team before individual will be the catalyst for great things.
 

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Defacto said:
totally agree with @SainterK's view. our club grew up today. the stance of club before player, team before individual will be the catalyst for great things.
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Are we still talking Jason Gram here, or us deciding not to match BJ's Essendon offer ....:D
 
Defacto said:
i find it amazing how peoples views can change depending on the clubs stance.

earlier people were defending him, now they are in favor of the clubs stance. fair dinkum.

totally agree with @SainterK's view. our club grew up today. the stance of club before player, team before individual will be the catalyst for great things.
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Not speaking for all but my take on it was:

1. It wasn't that people were defending him - they were just not rushing to instantly condemn him. In life this tends to be a prudent behavior to practice until all the facts come out. In this case, it was aussiethunda's post stating that before the GWS game, Jason had been left out because of this matter and that the club had already warned him about his behavior that shed more light onto the issue, and the vast majority of posters then agreed that the club was acting reasonably. A pretty logical chain of events right there.

2. People were against those that were somehow linked Jason's behavior to the club itself and its "culture/problem with women". In this case, this proved to be a good line of thinking as it turned out that the club had acted in a proper manner over this whole thing and had tried to positively affect Jason's behavior when it was occurring.

I think the best lesson to come of it all is not to jump to conclusions in general.
 
NarklesHelmet said:
Not speaking for all but my take on it was:

1. It wasn't that people were defending him - they were just not rushing to instantly condemn him. In life this tends to be a prudent behavior to practice until all the facts come out. In this case, it was aussiethunda's post stating that before the GWS game, Jason had been left out because of this matter and that the club had already warned him about his behavior that shed more light onto the issue, and the vast majority of posters then agreed that the club was acting reasonably. A pretty logical chain of events right there.

2. People were against those that were somehow linked Jason's behavior to the club itself and its "culture/problem with women". In this case, this proved to be a good line of thinking as it turned out that the club had acted in a proper manner over this whole thing and had tried to positively affect Jason's behavior when it was occurring.

I think the best lesson to come of it all is not to jump to conclusions in general.
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thats not how it went down at all. now you're re-writing history. go re-read the other thread. theres some of the posts after aussiethundas post that are writing it off as nothing. better yet re-read the one on the main board. the adamant defense of gram by some of our supporters is sickening. its embarrassing to be grouped in with these supporters.

the clubs action support what a number of us were calling for earlier today.
 

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Defacto said:
thats not how it went down at all. now you're re-writing history. go re-read the other thread. theres some of the posts after aussiethundas post that are writing it off as nothing. better yet re-read the one on the main board. the adamant defense of gram by some of our supporters is sickening. its embarrassing to be grouped in with these supporters.

the clubs action support what a number of us were calling for earlier today.
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You were calling for it blindly. If it was the first time the club found out Gram was doing this do you think he'd face the same consequence?
 
Defacto said:
thats not how it went down at all. now you're re-writing history. go re-read the other thread. theres some of the posts after aussiethundas post that are writing it off as nothing. better yet re-read the one on the main board. the adamant defense of gram by some of our supporters is sickening. its embarrassing to be grouped in with these supporters.

the clubs action support what a number of us were calling for earlier today.
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You will notice that in my original post I said that:

" it was aussiethunda's post stating that before the GWS game, Jason had been left out because of this matter and that the club had already warned him about his behavior that shed more light onto the issue, and the vast majority of posters then agreed that the club was acting reasonably."

Not everyone changed their tune but the vast majority did. It's a free country, people have opinions on what constitutes a serious offence or not and are entitled to this, just as those that think it was a serious enough offense for a player to be sacked over are entitled to that opinion. It doesn't mean we will all agree. One thing is that, regardless of whether it was his first or second offense, the vast majority of people were attacking the logically challenged notion that the Saints "culture" had anything to do with Gram's personal issue and many thought it was blowing things out of proportion to speak of not renewing memberships over it. I mean, we're not Richmond supporters are we? ;)
 
saintsrfreak said:
You weren't aware of the situation. You wanted him sacked for the wrong reasons, media scrutiny and the club being labeled as bad. The club sacked him because they had warned him and already given him a chance.
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wow, really did i?

that has nothing to do with it at all. the bloke was in court for breaching an IVO, this was reported very early on. in fact it was part of the initial article that named gram. aussiethundas report around the time of this article mentioned he was in trouble before and was dropped from the GWS game

i stand by my comments that if the club didnt take a stand on this i was out. our track record on the treatment of women is pathetic. i cannot support a club who does not stand up for what is right.
 

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