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Rod Stroker said:
Interesting. In my line of work (Enterprise IT), I'd want to know that someone I hire is going to be likely to stick around for at least 18-24 months, in order to justify the investment we are making in them. And you can usually only make that judgement based on their employment history. So if candidates are prone to job hopping after 12 months, it's a red flag and usually a pass for me.
It's really hard to make a difference and have a lasting impact on the business in 12 months or less.
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Curious as to what makes up this investment? My own experience in that area suggests you're expected to walk in the door with the skills and experience to contribute on day 1 (which is obviously impossible, but it doesn't stop 'em thinking it). Plus the average retention across the whole industry in Melbs is what, 2-2.5 years? Not having a crack - just curious.

Ah, I see you're based in Singapore. Probs a bit different
 
No, it was only the one short stint SM, sorry for the confusion. Was at the first place for just under four years, and just under 8 months at where I just finished.

And they're restructuring my team and what I was doing, so I probably wouldn't have been there much longer either way.
 
Larry Barnsworth said:
Curious as to what makes up this investment? My own experience in that area suggests you're expected to walk in the door with the skills and experience to contribute on day 1 (which is obviously impossible, but it doesn't stop 'em thinking it). Plus the average retention across the whole industry in Melbs is what, 2-2.5 years? Not having a crack - just curious.

Ah, I see you're based in Singapore. Probs a bit different
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Maybe for delivery roles, where you already have skills in certain programming / coding languages or technologies which is used across industries, and you can be billable from pretty much day one.
I'm talking more sales roles, where you need to come in, first do on-boarding training, understand the portfolio, know how to pitch / sell it, take time to learn how to use the CRM tools, generate quotes, etc. That can take months, hence the investment.

The situation is actually worse here in Asia, particularly in the emerging markets, because it doesn't take much to entice people to jump ship, so it's harder to hold onto them. i.e >20% pay rises are not uncommon, but it's not a lot in dollar terms because packages are low, relative to more mature markets like Oz.
 
Rod Stroker said:
Maybe for delivery roles, where you already have skills in certain programming / coding languages or technologies which is used across industries, and you can be billable from pretty much day one.
I'm talking more sales roles, where you need to come in, first do on-boarding training, understand the portfolio, know how to pitch / sell it, take time to learn how to use the CRM tools, generate quotes, etc. That can take months, hence the investment.

The situation is actually worse here in Asia, particularly in the emerging markets, because it doesn't take much to entice people to jump ship, so it's harder to hold onto them. i.e >20% pay rises are not uncommon, but it's not a lot in dollar terms because packages are low, relative to more mature markets like Oz.
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Gotcha. Thanks :)
 

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In my profession I have gone back and worked for two or three employers multiple times. If they need a position filled they know me so I’m in . I keep in touch with bosses and they were all cool anyway. Haven’t done what cruff has done though. . But each circumstance is different . I’m interested in why he left A in the first place only to find himself back there . What about C . ?


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norway blue said:
In my profession I have gone back and worked for two or three employers multiple times. If they need a position filled they know me so I’m in . I keep in touch with bosses and they were all cool anyway. Haven’t done what cruff has done though. . But each circumstance is different . I’m interested in why he left A in the first place only to find himself back there . What about C . ?


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My own personal policy has always been, Never Go Back.
So many companies out there to work for, try something new. It might be not be a BETTER experience, but at the very least it will be a DIFFERENT experience. Either way, it will give you growth. Rather than going back to something comfortable or that you've done / known before.

But each to their own.
 
norway blue said:
In my profession I have gone back and worked for two or three employers multiple times. If they need a position filled they know me so I’m in . I keep in touch with bosses and they were all cool anyway. Haven’t done what cruff has done though. . But each circumstance is different . I’m interested in why he left A in the first place only to find himself back there . What about C . ?


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Head hunted, offered more money and suddenly the company doesn't have a role for him after only a short time.

Cruff has seriously ruffled a few feathers or the company operates poorly.

Have we gotten the full story here?
 
revo333 said:
Head hunted, offered more money and suddenly the company doesn't have a role for him after only a short time.

Cruff has seriously ruffled a few feathers or the company operates poorly.

Have we gotten the full story here?
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Bingo.

Wasn't he bragging about going in and shaking up their structures and policies?
 
Had he mentioned a probationary review at all? Not suggesting that he did anything particularly wrong, but companies often cut ties with a bad fit during the review - it becomes more difficult after that.
 
Rod Stroker said:
My own personal policy has always been, Never Go Back.
So many companies out there to work for, try something new. It might be not be a BETTER experience, but at the very least it will be a DIFFERENT experience. Either way, it will give you growth. Rather than going back to something comfortable or that you've done / known before.

But each to their own.
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Interesting.

I've worked for a small company I wouldn't go back purely because the role/field wasn't what I want to do. Would happily go back otherwise. I've also worked for another where the I wouldn't go back because of the internal systems and constant roadblocks. If I left my current employer I wouldn't hesitate about coming back down the track.

What I have seen is people company hopping for promotions and to gain better and/or different experience. You see it in AFL circles all the time. Roughead, Hodge, Mitchell from Hawthorn, Dean Cox and Darren Glass from us, Steve Johnson etc. Play a long time at a club then immediately move to another to gain experience as an assistant coach. I've seen a few people want to step up from their roles move elsewhere with the end goal of returning. Whether you are a coach, manager etc. it's a different dynamic leading a bunch of people you are familiar with compared to a group of new people.
 

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Tbh I'd be stupid to leave..
I moan about some issues there but I live close, I didn't even pass one car on the road at 4.30 this morn and I actually don't mind the manual side of it on the factory floor sprinkled with bit of pc work now and then
 
PoppedCorn said:
Tbh I'd be stupid to leave..
I moan about some issues there but I live close, I didn't even pass one car on the road at 4.30 this morn and I actually don't mind the manual side of it on the factory floor sprinkled with bit of pc work now and then
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I moan and whinge too (i dont exactly live close, but not far away either- and im going against traffic) but id be stupid to leave too. Staff are good, bosses are good, if i change schools ive got nfi what im going into, all schools are different.
 
They brought me in because of my experience. They took quite a few of my ideas on board and were receptive to them.

It didn't work out as either party planned. It's unfortunate, but it's life. I gave it a crack and did my best, but at the end of the day, the way they operated wasn't for me.

When you're coming home miserable each day and genuinely hate going to work, I could not have kept working there.
 

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Cruyff14 said:
They brought me in because of my experience. They took quite a few of my ideas on board and were receptive to them.

It didn't work out as either party planned. It's unfortunate, but it's life. I gave it a crack and did my best, but at the end of the day, the way they operated wasn't for me.

When you're coming home miserable each day and genuinely hate going to work, I could not have kept working there.
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How long were you there?
 
Scotland said:
Interesting.

I've worked for a small company I wouldn't go back purely because the role/field wasn't what I want to do. Would happily go back otherwise. I've also worked for another where the I wouldn't go back because of the internal systems and constant roadblocks. If I left my current employer I wouldn't hesitate about coming back down the track.

What I have seen is people company hopping for promotions and to gain better and/or different experience. You see it in AFL circles all the time. Roughead, Hodge, Mitchell from Hawthorn, Dean Cox and Darren Glass from us, Steve Johnson etc. Play a long time at a club then immediately move to another to gain experience as an assistant coach. I've seen a few people want to step up from their roles move elsewhere with the end goal of returning. Whether you are a coach, manager etc. it's a different dynamic leading a bunch of people you are familiar with compared to a group of new people.
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AFL is different though, in that the players don't have full freedom to decide where they are employed (unlike the rest of us). So they are probably gagging for a change after 10 or 15 years at the one club.
Even then though, they're just moving from one AFL club to another, there isn't a lot of change in environment (working with the same salary / soft cap / cost base, all having 44 players on the list, etc). They really are just basically franchises under the AFL as the national franchisor.
 
PoppedCorn said:
Christ I've had the same job for 18 years next April
We have heaps of people at 10 years and above service
Couple of people recently retired with 30 plus years of service
One bloke will be 50 years service when he goes this year.
Started as a young lad.
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Do you work for a government "job for life" agency?
 

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