Ressies comp.

[robbieando]

Sometimes i wonder where you are coming from, Driver av.

But its very clear where and what you want. You have received infractions for abusing people who dare defend the Canberra League, but heck at least some of us can see the logic behind the decision, despite what we would like to see happen and not keep harping on about it.

Whats best for our players, remember footy comes first.

and if you don't have money you don't have a football club...

Yes a bit extreme, but you have to remember that the Swans have failed to return a profit for the past two seasons DESPITE CUTTING the costs related to the Football Department, so to increase the costs in terms of the Reserves by playing in the VFL goes against what the club is doing to get back into profit. But I suspect you don't think about that, just think that as long as we pick up stumps and move the Reserves to the VFL (making you happy in the process) the club will find the money from somewhere to cover costs. But from where? We are already cutting costs in the Football Department, so what you suggest is so easy isn't despite the fact it would be good for the Reserves team.

Maybe our club is becoming a little stale at the top and won't take any risks.

Yeah the club is becoming stale at the top because they won't play the Reserves in the competition of you choosing Good help us if they had bigger decisions to make like keeping the club afloat....

Canberra is not a massive trip : also rolleyes.

Its still travel, something you said the club was against the Reserves side doing.

Thats what this board and this thread is about--to debate issues relating to the Swans, none of us maybe right but don't just give your view like thats the end of the story for anyone else on here.

Same old topic, same old agruement, same old outcomes. So don't act as if you are one of this Boards Moderators, you aren't. Plus don't hide behind the arguement that you want to debate issues, when you just want to run down the Canberra League and pump up joining the VFL, like you did last time and the time before that.

But if you have anything new....

 

[bedford]

Same old topic yes, but in a different thread which was started to talk about this issue and what is old hat about giving the costs of the present day teams in the VFL. I don't care if they are in the VFL or another comp, but what is best for our Reserves. I did not act at all like one of the boards moderators, i was just frustrated with your view which is obviouly as strong as mine on the subject. Yes i have been over the top about Canberra and unfairly at times, but have made the peace with ABH and won't be bashing their comp.anymore. But this is a different thread. Be interested in your views on the Ressies future Robbie, whether it is stay put or something else.

 

[A Bit High]

Hey Guys,

My mail is that the proposed comp will happen. A Southern League and a Northern League.

Southern League -
4 AFL Canberra sides (Ainslie, Eastlake, Belconnen, Qbn)
Swans
GWS
And 2 Sydney League sides (not sure who)

Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast sides are obviously part of the Northern League but not sure which other teams will be part of the make up from QAFL.

 

[TheGong]

Hey Guys,

My mail is that the proposed comp will happen. A Southern League and a Northern League.

Southern League -
4 AFL Canberra sides (Ainslie, Eastlake, Belconnen, Qbn)
Swans
GWS
And 2 Sydney League sides (not sure who)

Brisbane Lions, Gold Coast sides are obviously part of the Northern League but not sure which other teams will be part of the make up from QAFL.

Do you mean a conference type set-up where the southern teams for example play each other twice and the northern teams once?

Better than nothing I suppose - we would get at leat 4 decent games per year - one of which we should play in Melbourne.

 

[bedford]

Thanks ABH, it would be for the better. Hopefuly there will be no player restrictions so it will be an even playing field. They should also try and get Albury in there as they are a strong club in a fast growing area .

 

[bedford]

Do you mean a conference type set-up where the southern teams for example play each other twice and the northern teams once?

Better than nothing I suppose - we would get at leat 4 decent games per year - one of which we should play in Melbourne.

Why would you play one in Melbourne, when it is NSW based.

 

[liz]

I am not sure why the standard of that competition will suddenly be any better than the one we currently play in. Indeed, it is essentially the one we currently play in with the addition of the GWS reserves and two SFL teams, who are unlikely to be stronger than the existing 4 Canberra clubs.

 

[A Bit High]

Hopefully Liz the lure of playing against Swans & GWS will assist Canberra teams to attract high profile players.

Tuggeranong players may want to continue in a stronger league and given they have beaten both Sydney and Belco this year they will be welcomed with open arms.

Also it may give younger players more reason to persue AFL in Canberra at a higher level as the league will be under the microscope.

Has to be more attractive than now.

 

[grimlock]

That may well be the point of view from Canberra but I think Liz was expressing the view from Swans eyes.

 

[bedford]

That may well be the point of view from Canberra but I think Liz was expressing the view from Swans eyes.

Because at least we will be playing against the ressies of 3 other AFL clubs.

 

[TheGong]

Why would you play one in Melbourne, when it is NSW based.

As a token to our Melbourne based fans. If the proposed league is a two conference system and we play the Brisbane Lions once, I think it would be a good marketing exercise to play the game in Melbourne based on Fitzroy / South Melbourne rivalry.

 

[liz]

Hopefully Liz the lure of playing against Swans & GWS will assist Canberra teams to attract high profile players.

Tuggeranong players may want to continue in a stronger league and given they have beaten both Sydney and Belco this year they will be welcomed with open arms.

Also it may give younger players more reason to persue AFL in Canberra at a higher level as the league will be under the microscope.

Has to be more attractive than now.

That may well be the point of view from Canberra but I think Liz was expressing the view from Swans eyes.

Not necessarily. If ABH is correct and the revamped competition attracts higher profile players, the standard of the competition will improve somewhat. I am just not convinced how adding the GWS reserves will necessarily achieve this. If any existing SFL teams join, they are likely to dilute the quality, at least in the short term. If one or two teams could be formed from amongst the existing SFL the quality might be better but not sure on the impact that would have on the existing competition (and the lower grades within that competition, which are aligned to existing clubs),

 

[robbieando]

based on Fitzroy / South Melbourne rivalry.

What rivalry?

St Kilda and Carlton are our natural Melbourne-based rivals with Collingwood getting their normal look in because everyone hates them. But we have never had a rivalry with Fitzroy historically.

 

[robbieando]

Because at least we will be playing against the ressies of 3 other AFL clubs.

From what I read of ABH's post we would only be playing in a league that had GWS added as an AFL club and no involvement of Brisbane or the Gold Coast that would be a different League.

I think you might of read too much into TheGongs next post that asked whether if that meant a Conference Style set up, but ABH has clearly followed up in other posts that a "Southern League" would only involve the Swans and GWS Reserves, 4 Canberra teams and 2 SFL teams.

I did like your suggestion about getting Albury involved (and I would then go a step further and get the Wagga Tigers back into the NSWAFL fold), but I doubt a League such as that would have the strenght to raid the Ovens and Murray League of clubs which says alot to be honest. But that should be something the AFL and NSWAFL push for if this type of League is set up.

Also you asked me what my ideal set up for the Reserves would be, well that has 100% clear, same standalone set up as we have now so we can control how our players our used and when and in a stronger League be it the VFL or SANFL (which has been floated before). But whatever path we take, we must keep the team in Sydney and connected to the club, rather than what we had with Port Melbourne (because that had player restrictions too and players were disconnected from the club on weekends and from Port Melbourne during the week and that isn't a path I want the club to follow again. So I'm not knocking the VFL, because I would love the chance to have a standalone Swans Reserves Team in the VFL, BUT I do understand that the has undertaken a decision based upon keeping the Reserves team together and keeping costs down for the Football Department. But it would be nice if we had an extra $500,000 each year to play in the VFL and end this debate once and for all.

 

[bedford]

What rivalry?

St Kilda and Carlton are our natural Melbourne-based rivals with Collingwood getting their normal look in because everyone hates them. But we have never had a rivalry with Fitzroy historically.

St.Kilda and Carlton are yours and mine in the most hated bracket, but you left out Essendon , Hawthorn, Footscray, Geelong, North, Richmond and Melbourne.
I did mention Albury because of their strength, financialy and player wise and i was thinking of Wagga but they have tried before.

 

[robbieando]

St.Kilda and Carlton are yours and mine in the most hated bracket, but you left out Essendon , Hawthorn, Footscray, Geelong, North, Richmond and Melbourne.

So just all the Victorian club then

I did mention Albury because of their strength, financialy and player wise and i was thinking of Wagga but they have tried before.

I know Wagga tried before, but they came from a League within the powers of NSWAFL, joined the Canberra League at about the same time our Reserves did and then quit for the Ovens and Murray a) because the competition was harder and not helped by us killing teams each week b) they were losing money c) they didn't like the amount of travel they were doing including the trips to Sydney and d) the Ovens and Murray is considered to be one of the better Country Leagues for them to join and hence they did.

Sadly it would be harder to temp two NSW teams from the O&M because of the money side of it, hence why I said the AFL would need to get involved. Plus you are correct, being a fan of Nathalia in the Murray Football League, I see how much money the border teams have thanks to the NSW Clubs and hence are able to invest in players like they go out of fashion. We could basically run along the NSW side of the Murray River and get up a 16 team comp that would be cash rich thanks to pokies and strong player wise due to the links with the Football Victoria development system/match payments to others.

But you would know better than me they all want to stay within the control of Football Victoria and not NSWAFL and hence why the Border Leagues have so many NSW teams in them. We as a club can only do so much, the rest is up to the AFL.

 

[bedford]

Wagga have never been in the O and M League. Albury have a massive wages bill and being in such a fast growing area i believe they would be able to hack it. Their financial viability is causing problems for the poorer clubs in the O and M, who just cannot compete.
It was the best country league for years , but now might have fallen behind the Goulburn Valley FL.

 

[robbieando]

Wagga have never been in the O and M League. Albury have a massive wages bill and being in such a fast growing area i believe they would be able to hack it. Their financial viability is causing problems for the poorer clubs in the O and M, who just cannot compete.
It was the best country league for years , but now might have fallen behind the Goulburn Valley FL.

My mistake, I did believe that the Wagga Tigers did sprint to the O&M when they left the Canberra League. They are back in the Riverina Football League, so we should therefore be able to get them because of pressure applied by the NSWAFL and the AFL. As for Albury, well they would be a help to get Wagga onside and no doubt help out the other Canberra teams travel wise (in fact the more teams from the Border and Riverina we get the less from Sydney that should be included).

As for which is better, O&M was the better league last time I looked, with the GV not far behind and I wouldn't therefore be surprised to see the GV having knocked the O&M off. when I was growing up and my uncle was still playing in the Murray League it was considered a huge step up to play in the GV because it was considered then as the better Border Area League (around 92), but soon after he stopped play the O&M took that mantle and players from both comps left for the O&M which left to some clubs changing Leagues including between the GV and ML. So I wouldn't be surprised if the GV has taken back its crown. But thats all swings and round abouts anyway.

 

[whiteandred]

there are 9 definite teams - NT, 4 X AFL Ressies, 4 x ACT Clubs.

Beyond that QAFL and SFL clubs are invited ... most likely to be able to afford it would be Southport, couldn't see any Sydney club able to sustain a team long term. could be a 10 team comp.

All play each other once to minimise travel, then Swans, GWS, ACT all play extra games - QLD & NT likewise - a draw will be sorted to minimise costs.

Unlikely to be an option for teams outside those areas, again due to cost.

So the only benefit for the Swans is to play 2 extra AFL clubs. This is really being done for the benefit of GC17 and GWS, as is every cent being spent by the AFL at the moment, and for the forseeable future.

 

[bedford]

It will happen next year and further changes to the set up of the VFL will take place. What this might do is a return to a AFL reserves comp. but at this stage everyone is going around in circles.

 

[grimlock]

More details here

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ld-nsw-afl-clubs/story-e6frepf6-1225887283188

Although I would be wary as the reporter has got the wrong info about the player restrictions in AFL Canberra.

Still makes little sense to me. Yes it will be exciting to play the winner of the Queensland league and then the VFL but for the majority of the season it's still going to be the same competition. From what others have posted here, it's basically remove Tuggeranong and insert two or more SFL clubs who may or may not be better than Tuggeranong in terms of playing standard. I don't envisage that this would attract more players to play in this league.

 

[CAS79]

More details here

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ld-nsw-afl-clubs/story-e6frepf6-1225887283188

Although I would be wary as the reporter has got the wrong info about the player restrictions in AFL Canberra.

Still makes little sense to me. Yes it will be exciting to play the winner of the Queensland league and then the VFL but for the majority of the season it's still going to be the same competition. From what others have posted here, it's basically remove Tuggeranong and insert two or more SFL clubs who may or may not be better than Tuggeranong in terms of playing standard. I don't envisage that this would attract more players to play in this league.

Tuggers seem to be on thje improve of late to Grim, the odd big loss but more competitive this year.

From my understanding add two SFL clubs that come form a competition we don't want to play in because the standard is far to weak and a match or two against GWS. There may be the honor of flying a flag at the end of the year but for all intensive purposes of a ressies competition the structure outlined in the CM achieves nothing at all. If thats what they want to do we may as well have the status quo.

 

[robbieando]

More details here

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ld-nsw-afl-clubs/story-e6frepf6-1225887283188

Although I would be wary as the reporter has got the wrong info about the player restrictions in AFL Canberra.

Still makes little sense to me. Yes it will be exciting to play the winner of the Queensland league and then the VFL but for the majority of the season it's still going to be the same competition. From what others have posted here, it's basically remove Tuggeranong and insert two or more SFL clubs who may or may not be better than Tuggeranong in terms of playing standard. I don't envisage that this would attract more players to play in this league.

So basically same old, same old, just with added GWS. No Lions Reserves, no Gold Coast Reserves and no NT or QAFL clubs added to improve competition DURING the season, just the chance to play one club from Queensland in a Grand Final (if we get that far) and if we win that match a VFL club (again if we get that far).

That's no improvement for us, for the Lions it is because they get to play in a stronger league than us, plus get NT and Gold Coast. We just get GWS and lose Tuggeranong and gain substandard SFL teams. Yep, real improvement that