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I love footy and thought I would ask my crow brothers and sisters how they see the list next year. Any hot rumours on retirements and delistings? I realise that Johnson and Bienke are gone, any opinions on potential others?

Thanks and good luck in 2003.
Don
 
I think no one has replied to this as we have had a few threads like it, but anyway...

1. Marsh has to go full stop end of story. Whether by trade or delisting.
2. I still think a mid level midfielder + a draft pick will be involved in the Carey trade. Perhaps a Mattner, Gallagher or Doughty. Personally I'd prefer to keep them, but you must give to get. Maybe we could trade Crowell instead. Mmmmmm.
3. We need an up and coming ruckman, so this may also see a trade probably involving a young midfielder.
4. Sarge must be walking a fine line too, I'd say.

Cheers.
 
Whilst everyone is tradeable for the right price, I have commented on the players who I consider as possibility of changing clubs:

Angwin - trade or delist
Bassett
Beinke - retired
Bickley
Biglands
Bode
Burton
Clarke
Crowell - tradeable
Doughty - tradeable
Edwards
Finnin
Fitzgerald
Gallagher - tradeable
Goodwin
Handby - tradeable
Hart
Hentschel
Hewitt - tradeable
John****
K. Johnson - going :(
Ladhams
Marsh - trade or delist
Massie
McGregor
McLeod
Nelson - trade or delist
Perrie - tradeable
Reilly
Ricciuto
Schell - can't delist, so try & trade
Schuback
Shir - tradeable
Shirley - trade or delist
Skipworth
Smart
Smith
Stenglein
Stevens
Welsh


Rookies

Bock
Mattner - upgrade to full list
Rutten - upgrade to full list
Thomas
 
Originally posted by napsyd
I think no one has replied to this as we have had a few threads like it, but anyway...

1. Marsh has to go full stop end of story. Whether by trade or delisting.
Why? That only creates a shortage of ruckmen on our list. I guess you cover this in your 3rd point, but until that up and coming ruckman is guaranteed I see no value in just getting rid of Marsh. If a good trade deal comes along, sure, but no point just delisting him.


2. I still think a mid level midfielder + a draft pick will be involved in the Carey trade. Perhaps a Mattner, Gallagher or Doughty. Personally I'd prefer to keep them, but you must give to get. Maybe we could trade Crowell instead. Mmmmmm.
Mattner has to stay. He's shown promise and we should see through his development. And besides, he's played too few matches for other clubs to see much value in him. Crowell did a good job this year and can play forward and back too. I'd be sad to see any of them go.


3. We need an up and coming ruckman, so this may also see a trade probably involving a young midfielder.
4. Sarge must be walking a fine line too, I'd say.
Cheers.
 

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Originally posted by napsyd

1. Marsh has to go full stop end of story. Whether by trade or delisting.

Only if we get Carey in the trade; otherwise Id keep him.
200+ cm players dont come along very often.
I know Ive called him a soft co(k in the past; but give him another year; keeping him that extra year as insurance has its merits whether he can half play or not

Been said b4
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Whilst everyone is tradeable for the right price, I have commented on the players who I consider as possibility of changing clubs:

Angwin - trade or delist
Bassett
Beinke - retired
Bickley
Biglands
Bode
Burton
Clarke
Crowell - tradeable
Doughty - tradeable
Edwards
Finnin
Fitzgerald
Gallagher - tradeable
Goodwin
Handby - tradeable
Hart
Hentschel
Hewitt - tradeable
John****
K. Johnson - going :(
Ladhams
Marsh - trade or delist
Massie
McGregor
McLeod
Nelson - trade or delist
Perrie - tradeable
Reilly
Ricciuto
Schell - can't delist, so try & trade
Schuback
Shir - tradeable
Shirley - trade or delist
Skipworth
Smart
Smith
Stenglein
Stevens
Welsh


Rookies

Bock
Mattner - upgrade to full list
Rutten - upgrade to full list
Thomas

Don't want to start cow bashing (well I do, but i wont;) ) but i really think you'd struggle to trade Handby (not proven at all, no trade value & why would you trade him?), Hewitt (my advice is to probably delist him, again no trade value), Nelson (doubt anyone would want him, a delist/keep as backup option), Perrie (isn't tradeable, but is delistable), Schell (trade hehehehe), Shir & Shirley (doubt you would get anything in return, i'd probably keep at least one if not both) & Skipworth (would delist). Would also take anything for Angwin &/or Marsh (although if you don't get any talls you probably should keep Marsh) and probably think Fitzgerald would be under pressure but i guess you might as well keep him for one more year.

I guess though after saying that you did manage to work a trade for Gallagher last year, however you did only get Nelson in return.
 
Originally posted by DaveW

Why? That only creates a shortage of ruckmen on our list. I guess you cover this in your 3rd point, but until that up and coming ruckman is guaranteed I see no value in just getting rid of Marsh. If a good trade deal comes along, sure, but no point just delisting him.


Mattner has to stay. He's shown promise and we should see through his development. And besides, he's played too few matches for other clubs to see much value in him. Crowell did a good job this year and can play forward and back too. I'd be sad to see any of them go.


Agree with your first point. If we don't get another ruckman then begrudgingly we must keep Marsh.

I'd prefer not to trade any of our young midfielders too. Mattner seems good but I'm not sure he's any better than Gallagher or Doughty. Somebody may be required for that Carey trade.

I'm not a Crowell fan. The guy played some good footy towards the end of last season, but he is also 25 (I think) and at the peak of his development IMO. If his performance towards the end of the season makes him attractive to some team then we may as well consider a trade. Generally I was being tongue in check though on Crowell.
 
Originally posted by napsyd


Agree with your first point. If we don't get another ruckman then begrudgingly we must keep Marsh.

I'd prefer not to trade any of our young midfielders too. Mattner seems good but I'm not sure he's any better than Gallagher or Doughty. Somebody may be required for that Carey trade.

I'm not a Crowell fan. The guy played some good footy towards the end of last season, but he is also 25 (I think) and at the peak of his development IMO. If his performance towards the end of the season makes him attractive to some team then we may as well consider a trade. Generally I was being tongue in check though on Crowell.
If we can't trade Marsh, he must be delisted. I would prefer to ruck Hewitt, Perrie or even Schell (well may be that's pushing it). We should be looking to trade for a ruck who can assist if either Biglands or Clarke are injured & a draft another young one. Also, we can put someone else on the rookie list.

Don't believe we can trade Mattner as he is still on the rookie list. Reckon we can afford to trade either Gallagher or Doughty due to our midfield depth (but shouldn't trade both). Crowell is tradeable, but we don't want to give him away.
 
Originally posted by Eago77

Don't want to start cow bashing (well I do, but i wont;) ) but i really think you'd struggle to trade Handby (not proven at all, no trade value & why would you trade him?), Hewitt (my advice is to probably delist him, again no trade value), Nelson (doubt anyone would want him, a delist/keep as backup option), Perrie (isn't tradeable, but is delistable), Schell (trade hehehehe), Shir & Shirley (doubt you would get anything in return, i'd probably keep at least one if not both) & Skipworth (would delist). Would also take anything for Angwin &/or Marsh (although if you don't get any talls you probably should keep Marsh) and probably think Fitzgerald would be under pressure but i guess you might as well keep him for one more year.

I guess though after saying that you did manage to work a trade for Gallagher last year, however you did only get Nelson in return.
Reckon Handby, Hewitt, Perrie & Shir would have some trade value ... but doubt either Nelson or Shirley would (although as you mention we did get rid of D Gallagher).
 
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
If we can't trade Marsh, he must be delisted. I would prefer to ruck Hewitt, Perrie or even Schell (well may be that's pushing it). We should be looking to trade for a ruck who can assist if either Biglands or Clarke are injured & a draft another young one. Also, we can put someone else on the rookie list.

Don't believe we can trade Mattner as he is still on the rookie list. Reckon we can afford to trade either Gallagher or Doughty due to our midfield depth (but shouldn't trade both). Crowell is tradeable, but we don't want to give him away.

Kane, Mattner was "elevated from the rookie list" to replace long term injured Fitzgerald. If that's the case doesn't that mean he's on our senior list and therefore could be traded?? I'm confused.

Does the elevation not mean he's on the senior list? Does he return to the rookie list now the season is over?
 
Originally posted by napsyd
Kane, Mattner was "elevated from the rookie list" to replace long term injured Fitzgerald. If that's the case doesn't that mean he's on our senior list and therefore could be traded?? I'm confused.

Does the elevation not mean he's on the senior list? Does he return to the rookie list now the season is over?
But, Mattner wasn't elevated permanently - ie. where we delist a player. If Fitzy was delisted to elevate Mattner, I think it would be a different matter.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
If we can't trade Marsh, he must be delisted. I would prefer to ruck Hewitt, Perrie or even Schell (well may be that's pushing it).

You must be kidding.

Hewitt is a bigger dud than Marsh. Perrie is not a ruckman. And as for Schell, well I think you already conceded that one.
 
Doughty

I think Doughty should not be traded he was one of the better players for the crows especially earlier in the year he was getting plenty of the ball and kicking goals.
 
Originally posted by DaveW


You must be kidding.

Hewitt is a bigger dud than Marsh. Perrie is not a ruckman. And as for Schell, well I think you already conceded that one.
Hewitt has played many decent games for the Crows, particularly at CHB. How many decent games has Marsh played since 1998? I agree Perrie isn't a ruckman, but neither is Marsh a decent ruckman. He must go... even if it means redrafting Trent Ormand-Allen. ;)
 
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Originally posted by DaveW


You must be kidding.

Hewitt is a bigger dud than Marsh. Perrie is not a ruckman. And as for Schell, well I think you already conceded that one.
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Hewitt has played many decent games for the Crows, particularly at CHB. How many decent games has Marsh played since 1998? I agree Perrie isn't a ruckman, but neither is Marsh a decent ruckman. He must go... even if it means redrafting Trent Ormand-Allen.

LOL Kane, I was just thinking about making a comment re Trent Ormond-Allen! Seriously though no way that those three could fill a ruck position! Marsh must go as with that looser Angwin - we need to develop a junior to fill Clarkey's boots in a couple of years.

k
xx
 
Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
LOL Kane, I was just thinking about making a comment re Trent Ormond-Allen! Seriously though no way that those three could fill a ruck position! Marsh must go as with that looser Angwin - we need to develop a junior to fill Clarkey's boots in a couple of years.
k
xx
Yeahh, I agree that I don't want these 3 rucking either, but if we were desperate I would still prefer them if it meant us trading/delisting Marsh. I'm sure it won't come to that, as AFC looks to trading/drafting other ruck talent behind Biglands & Clarke.
 
What is the latest with Angwin?
Earlier in the year there was talk that Hawthorn were interested in him and thus trade. What about now?
 

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What exactly is the deal with Angwin? I'm confused with whether he's still ours to trade or if he's out of contract. I might have missed a previous thread with this information but can someone clear it up.
 
And how come whenever you see an Adelaide list (e.g. footy record or AFL 2002), Angwin hasn't been assigned a guernsey number? Is there a reason for this?
 
Originally posted by DaveW
And how come whenever you see an Adelaide list (e.g. footy record or AFL 2002), Angwin hasn't been assigned a guernsey number? Is there a reason for this?
Angwin is still on the full list & hasn't been delisted as the Crows are hoping to trade him (otherwise Mattner would have been elevated permanently). He hasn't been assigned a guernsey as he made it clear he wasn't going to play for the Crows. ie. AFC effectively ran one man short for 2002.
 
Hewitt has played many decent games for the Crows

I reckon about 2 or 3. I don't know if many is the right word.


Mattner was "elevated from the rookie list" to replace long term injured Fitzgerald. If that's the case doesn't that mean he's on our senior list and therefore could be traded?? I'm confused.

Mattner was temporarily promoted to the senior list during the season but he is still a rookie. The Crows have first rights to take him before the draft at no cost. If they don't he can be drafted by anyone. Can the Crows trade him? I'm not sure but I would assume we could if we wanted.

What exactly is the deal with Angwin? I'm confused with whether he's still ours to trade or if he's out of contract.

He is still on our list. There are three options. We can keep him on our list if he's happy to sign a contract (this is obviously not going to happen). We can trade him if someone's interested and he agrees. Or if none of the above happen then he is no longer ours and goes into the draft for anyone to pick up.
 
Angwin

As most of you know, I think Laurence Angiwn is a tosser, he had a fantastic opportunity with the Crows but chose to throw it all away. When he walked out of the club and went back to Melbourne, his contract was cancelled but he remains on our list because we didn't want to get nothing for him. Hawthorn were interested - but since going back to Melbourne he has had another shoulder rec-construction and hasn't been playing footy at all. I think we will end up delisting him - I can't see any other club wanting him. He will end up on the scrap pile with Brent Williams & Tom Gilligan - another Vic bites the dust!

k
xx
 
Re: Angwin

Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
As most of you know, I think Laurence Angiwn is a tosser, he had a fantastic opportunity with the Crows but chose to throw it all away. When he walked out of the club and went back to Melbourne, his contract was cancelled but he remains on our list because we didn't want to get nothing for him. Hawthorn were interested - but since going back to Melbourne he has had another shoulder rec-construction and hasn't been playing footy at all. I think we will end up delisting him - I can't see any other club wanting him. He will end up on the scrap pile with Brent Williams & Tom Gilligan - another Vic bites the dust!

k
xx
Reckon we traded Brent Williams to Mebourne from memory. Can't remember who we got for him (perhaps part of the Bassett or Ormond-Allen deal, & maybe Ingo was involved too?). Only played a few games for the Dees I think, then was delisted.

On Angwin, he is a talent, but obviously has a screw loose. Getting anything for him & Marsh will be a bonus.
 

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