Richo v Tredrea II

[Infamy]

Not fair!!

You're comparing a FF to Warren "the wingman" Treadrea.

Big Wassa has been playing up the ground for the last few years (when he's fit), he even goes as far to stand Rutten at CHB.

For a wingman Warren's goal average per game is very good.

Richo is averaging 15 disposals, 7.4 marks 2.3 goals per game this year
Do they look like the stats of a full forward? He's running 17.5km in a game according to the GPS system. He's running more ground this year than perhaps ever before.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

I cant find it on that site can you give us a link?

Looks like a good site but it didn't work to good for me

you need to click on the "stat of the week" link at the top of the page.

 

[nut]

Here's another interesting stat from 2005 (when Port had an average year).

Richo was Richmond's inside-50 target 274 times last year (22 matches) - the second most in the comp behind Gehrig (310). Richo marked it 66 times (or 24%). He kicked 41 goals when he was the target (or 15%).

Tredrea was Port's inside-50 target 217 times last year (24 matches). He marked it 61 times (or 31%). He kicked 42 goals when he was the target (or 19%).

OK now I can see the stats now and I'll comment on this reply.
Of those 66 marks inside 50 Richo Took 22 contested marks. Thats %34 of his marks.

Our Friend Tredrea Took 14 marks at %20.

What does this tell you???? a number of things.

1. Tredrea gets the ball delivered to him better Because he has less contested Marks or
2. It could mean Tredrea Can't take a contested mark as good as Richo or
3. Richo is played tighter and probably doubled teamed more than Tredrea or
4. Richo is just far better in a contested situation than Tredrea " the wingman".

 

[RogerRabbit69]

1. Tredrea gets the ball delivered to him better Because he has less contested Marks
2. It could mean Tredrea Can't take a contested mark as good as Richo or - nope
3. Richo is played tighter and probably doubled teamed more than Tredrea or
4. Richo is just far better in a contested situation than Tredrea " the wingman".

or Tredrea's much better on the lead and is smart enough to find space.

It also tells you Tredrea is much more efficient - more goals to delivery inside 50, more marks to delivery

It also tells you that you can make stats say pretty much whatever you want 'em too - and to rate a player as superior based simply on selected stats is a crock of sh.t

 

[nut]

It also tells you that you can make stats say pretty much whatever you want 'em too - and to rate a player as superior based simply on selected stats is a crock of sh.t

EXACTLY.

And I would think that the two most important atributes a forward should have is it's ability to take marks and kick Goals.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

EXACTLY.

And I would think that the two most important atributes a forward should have is it's ability to take marks and kick Goals.

And you're basing the argument that Richo is superior to Tredrea on simple stats - that Richo has taken more marks and kicked more goals. That doesn't mean he's better at it.

At the end of the day, I'd take Tredrea over Richo because I think he's a better all-round footballer and a better leader. I base that on having watched them both play a lot of football.

 

[nut]

And you're basing the argument that Richo is superior to Tredrea on simple stats - that Richo has taken more marks and kicked more goals. That doesn't mean he's better at it.

At the end of the day, I'd take Tredrea over Richo because I think he's a better all-round footballer and a better leader. I base that on having watched them both play a lot of football.

and at the end of the day I'd take Richo. Simply on the fact he takes more contested marks which I hold higher than a mark on the lead, and the other small stat which is the point of the game, and thats kicking goals.

Tredrea to equal Richo's goal tally =40 games 247 goals

How's those apples.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Tredrea to equal Richo's goal tally =40 games 247 goals

One moment you agree stats aren't relevant - then you choose a couple that suit you to defend your argument.
Sorry, but I didn't realise the thread was 'who has kicked more goals - Tredrea or Richo?'

 

[RogerRabbit69]

and at the end of the day I'd take Richo.

Of course you would - you're a Richmond supporter. I don't support Port or Richmond - and I'd take Tredrea.

 

[nut]

One moment you agree stats aren't relevant - then you choose a couple that suit you to defend your argument.
Sorry, but I didn't realise the thread was 'who has kicked more goals - Tredrea or Richo?'

So when your side kicks less than another side you still think that this stat isn't relevant and you hold your up high and say " at the end of the day stats dont count and I think we won"

Forwards Job = KICKING GOALS, Richo kicks more so better forward.

Important how I always SAY BETTER FORWARD. Tredrea is the far better wingman.

 

[Lady Lawrence]

I cant find it on that site can you give us a link?

Looks like a good site but it didn't work to good for me

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=552&tid2=111&pid2=657

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Richo could kick more goals than Tredrea on any given day - but Port win and Richmond lose. I think that's relevant.

PS It's important how I always SAY BETTER FOOTBALLER.

 

[JohnK]

Where do you find the stats for dummy-spits?

 

[RogerRabbit69]

Where do you find the stats for dummy-spits?

No doubt Richo would be an all-time leader.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

If Richo is so much better than Tredrea then why does Tredrea have 4 All-Australian caps at CHF and Richo have 2 caps with one in the forward pocket and one on the interchange? Why hasn’t Richo been a KPP player that helped lead his team to finals consistently and even win a Grand Final.

He can have 200 more goals than Tredrea but I’m sure Warren is much happier having played in a winning Grand Final than kicked 200 more goals than one of the most inconsistent players in the modern era.

For the record don’t Richo traditionally play FF? Hence more goals kicked.

 

[Infamy]

No, he's only played 1 season as a true FF when Danny Fraudley decided to get him to bulk up to 110kg and sit in the goal square. Since then he's trimmed back down and is as mobile as ever.

 

[nut]

No, he's only played 1 season as a true FF when Danny Fraudley decided to get him to bulk up to 110kg and sit in the goal square. Since then he's trimmed back down and is as mobile as ever.

I would bet that Richo covers more ground than Tredrea.

 

[Jade's]

def by

Well both have officially hung up the boots and the votes are in with all judges awarding it to Richo in a points decision. Tredders threw a few haymakers in the middle rounds but at the end of the day Richo far too good for far too long!

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Richo >>> Tredrea easily

 

[TRAWP]

We're still talking about a GAY CHF v a Port CHF... Neither of them will be remembered for very long except at there clubs... Hell Richo or Tredrea shouldn't even be allowed to tie the boots of blokes like Brown, Hall, Pavlich or ecspecially blokes like Carey, Dunstall, Ablett or especially LOCKETT.

 

[Jade's]

Richo >>> Tredrea easily

Quoted for truth!

 

[Jade's]

We're still talking about a GAY CHF v a Port CHF... Neither of them will be remembered for very long except at there clubs... Hell Richo or Tredrea shouldn't even be allowed to tie the boots of blokes like Brown, Hall, Pavlich or ecspecially blokes like Carey, Dunstall, Ablett or especially LOCKETT.

Whats wrong love? Richo sleep with your missus?

To date none of Pav, Hall or Brown have had as good of a career statistically speaking as Richo. Nobody is arguing the others but they are absolute legends of the game. Sydney is shit

 

[subaru]

Look at the two teams they played for ....

Tredrea had the Burgoynes, Francou , Roger James, lace outing him for years ...look at his achievements SINCE 2004 ...SFA ...Who did Richo have?????


courtesy of kalty....
Port Power Football Club
AFL Premiership - 2004
AFL Preseason Premiership - 2002
Best & Fairest - 2001, 2004, 2005, 2009. Runner-Up - 1999, 2002, 2003
Leading Goalkicker - 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2009
Captain - 2004, 2006-2008
AFL Awards
All-Australian Centre Half Forward - 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 (vice-captain)
AFL Coaches Association MVP - 2004
AFL Players Association MVP - 2003 (3rd place), 2004 (3rd place)
Rising Star Nomination - 1998
Media Awards
Herald-Sun Player of the Year 2004
3AW Player of the Year 2004
The Advertiser Player of the Year 2004
Triple M Player of the Year 2004
The Age Player of the Year 2004
West End Showdown Medal 2004
Precount Brownlow Medal Favourite 2004

Richo by the length of the Flemington straight.

 

[TRAWP]

Tony Lockett

St.Kilda - 1983-1994 - 183 (898)
Sydney - 1995-1999; 2002 - 98 (462)
281 (1,360)

Brownlow Medal - 1987
Coleman Medal - 1987, 1991, 1996 & 1998
Leigh Matthews Trophy - 1987
Trevor Barker Trophy - 1987, 1991
Bob Skilton Medal - 1995
St.Kilda Leading Goal Scorer - 1984, 1985, 1986 ,1987, 1989, 1990, 1991 ,1992, 1993, 1994
St.Kilda Team of the Century
Most goals in AFL History
Only Full Forward to win a Brownlow Medal
6x 100 goals in a Premiership Season - St Kilda 1987: 117 1991: 127 1992: 132 Sydney 1995: 110 1996: 121 1998: 109

Plus many more...

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[Jade's]

Tony Lockett​

St.Kilda - 1983-1994 - 183 (898)
Sydney - 1995-1999; 2002 - 98 (462)
281 (1,360)​

Brownlow Medal - 1987
Coleman Medal - 1987, 1991, 1996 & 1998
Leigh Matthews Trophy - 1987
Trevor Barker Trophy - 1987, 1991
Bob Skilton Medal - 1995
St.Kilda Leading Goal Scorer - 1984, 1985, 1986 ,1987, 1989, 1990, 1991 ,1992, 1993, 1994
St.Kilda Team of the Century
Most goals in AFL History
Only Full Forward to win a Brownlow Medal
6x 100 goals in a Premiership Season - St Kilda 1987: 117 1991: 127 1992: 132 Sydney 1995: 110 1996: 121 1998: 109​

Plus many more...​

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[YOUTUBE]PoendYt_ZJ0[/YOUTUBE]

I feel that is appropriate for you.

Read the thread title you flog. Where does it mention Lockett? GTFO out of the thread