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[WaynesWorld19]

The Power is in premiership mode and are seemingly not interested in rebuilding. This may come back to hurt them in 2006/2007.

Port have always been in premiership mode

They better than most teams are very good at balancing their list for now and the future.

That said I think they will go for experience in the PSD and a young rookie.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

Port have always been in premiership mode

They better than most teams are very good at balancing their list for now and the future.

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They have been in permanent contention in recent years but you cant always be in premiership mode. A large numbger of their current team is 28 or over (most in the league from my understanding) and in 2007 onwards they may have to rebuild for a couple of years with the likes of Wanganeen/Francou/James/Primus/Bishop/Wakelin/Wilson and many others gone

 

[mymansyd]

Port have always been in premiership mode

They better than most teams are very good at balancing their list for now and the future.

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They have been in permanent contention in recent years but you cant always be in premiership mode. A large numbger of their current team is 28 or over (most in the league from my understanding) and in 2007 onwards they may have to rebuild for a couple of years with the likes of Wanganeen/Francou/James/Primus/Bishop/Wakelin/Wilson and many others gone

I concur!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Port have always been in premiership mode

They better than most teams are very good at balancing their list for now and the future.

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They have been in permanent contention in recent years but you cant always be in premiership mode. A large numbger of their current team is 28 or over (most in the league from my understanding) and in 2007 onwards they may have to rebuild for a couple of years with the likes of Wanganeen/Francou/James/Primus/Bishop/Wakelin/Wilson and many others gone

Tick tock, tick tock.

 

[johnnypanther]

With such an aging list, Port should take a kid...but I also reckon they'll go for Zantuck or Blumfield. The Power is in premiership mode and are seemingly not interested in rebuilding. This may come back to hurt them in 2006/2007.

i must disagree with you there unfortunately - if you analyze Port's list i think you will find that they have managed it quite well and appear to have the necessary young players coming thru even with that large block of older players due to retire

in fact they have 5 MORE players under the age of 20 on their main list than we have! (possibly 6 depending how they use their PSD pick)

Furthermore if you go thru their list they have already managed to weed out virtually all their 2nd rate 3rd tier players (of which we stil have plenty!)

I would suggest that not only is Ports premiership window of opportunity remaining open for quite a few years still but also that they are ahead of us in the "rebuilding" stakes as well

(and dont mistake me for a Port sympathiser - i hope I'm way wrong and that they finish bottom every year!)

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

i must disagree with you there unfortunately - if you analyze Port's list i think you will find that they have managed it quite well and appear to have the necessary young players coming thru even with that large block of older players due to retire

in fact they have 5 MORE players under the age of 20 on their main list than we have! (possibly 6 depending how they use their PSD pick)

Furthermore if you go thru their list they have already managed to weed out virtually all their 2nd rate 3rd tier players (of which we stil have plenty!)

I would suggest that not only is Ports premiership window of opportunity remaining open for quite a few years still but also that they are ahead of us in the "rebuilding" stakes as well

(and dont mistake me for a Port sympathiser - i hope I'm way wrong and that they finish bottom every year!)

JP

They have certainly handled List Mgt better than us in recent years. There is a thread on the Powers board now about this very subject.

Copying the following players listed below from one of their posts shows the magnitude and quality of players they will lose over the next 2-3 years. Perhaps they will still be in premiership mode post 2006 BUT there are alot of IFs when looking at their unproven next generation IMO. I wouldnt think they could win it once over half their current best 18 retires (esp with Carr /Schoefield also leaving.)

2005
Brett Montgomery (32)
Gavin Wanganeen (32)
Darryl Wakelin (31)

2006/2007
Josh Francou (31)
Adam Kingsley (30)
Matthew Primus (30)
Matthew Bishop (30)
Roger James (30)
Brendan Lade (29)
Michael Wilson (29)

 

[mymansyd]

i must disagree with you there unfortunately - if you analyze Port's list i think you will find that they have managed it quite well and appear to have the necessary young players coming thru even with that large block of older players due to retire

in fact they have 5 MORE players under the age of 20 on their main list than we have! (possibly 6 depending how they use their PSD pick)

Furthermore if you go thru their list they have already managed to weed out virtually all their 2nd rate 3rd tier players (of which we stil have plenty!)

I would suggest that not only is Ports premiership window of opportunity remaining open for quite a few years still but also that they are ahead of us in the "rebuilding" stakes as well

(and dont mistake me for a Port sympathiser - i hope I'm way wrong and that they finish bottom every year!)

Definitely made some good points JP. Port's last 4 seasons (despite their finals' stumbles) is proof of their good list management. No one can argue with that.

Just out of interest, I thought I'd provide the current age breakdowns of Port's squad versus ours (based on the age of each player at the conclusion of next season).

I'm not sure what conclusion to derive other than the obvious = Port are better.

I've highlighted in bold which group of players I think are better. If too close to call, I've left both teams unbolded.

The "Developing" Players
Aged 18 - Adel 2, Port 3
(Knights/Gibson vs. Eckermann/DeLuca/Willits)
Aged 19 - Adel 3, Port 4
(Maric/Meesen/Van Berlo vs. Chaplin/Thomson/Ezard/Peel)
Aged 20 - Adel 2, Port 4
(Watts/Jericho vs. Salopek/Symes/Pettigrew/Surjan)
Aged 21 - Adel 3, Port 2
(Krueger/Schuback/Reilly vs. Ebert/Gilham)
Aged 22 - Adel 7, Port 3
(Thompson/Hentschel/Smith/Bock/Skipworth/Johncock/Rutten vs. K.Cornes/S.Burgoyne/White)

Total - Adel 17, Port 16

Should Be in Their Prime
Aged 23 - Adel 2, Port 1
(Mattner/S.Stevens vs. Cassisi)
Aged 24 - Adel 2, Port 0
(McGregor/Ladhams)
Aged 25 - Adel 3, Port 3
(Shirley/Begley/Massie vs. C.Cornes/Shattock/Thurstans)
Aged 26 - Adel 5, Port 3
(Doughty/Bode/Welsh/Perrie/Hudson vs. Brogan/Dew/Tredrea)
Aged 27 - Adel 1, Port 3
(Burton vs. Cochrane/Mahoney/P.Burgoyne)
Aged 28 - Adel 4, Port 3
(Goodwin/Bassett/Torney/Biglands vs. Wilson/Pickett/Poulton)
Aged 29 - Adel 3, Port 3
(McLeod/Edwards/M.Stevens vs. James/Lade/Walsh)

Total - Adel 20, Port 16

Arguably past their prime

Aged 30 - Adel 1, Port 3
(Ricciuto vs. Primus/Kingsley/Bishop)
Aged 31 - Adel 1, Port 2
(Hart vs. Wakelin/Francou)
Aged 32 - Adel 1, Port 2
(Clarke vs. Wanganeen/Montgomery)

Total - Adel 3, Port 7

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Definitely made some good points JP. Port's last 4 seasons (despite their finals' stumbles) is proof of their good list management. No one can argue with that.

Just out of interest, I thought I'd provide the current age breakdowns of Port's squad versus ours (based on the age of each player at the conclusion of next season).

I'm not sure what conclusion to derive other than the obvious = Port are better.

I've highlighted in bold which group of players I think are better. If too close to call, I've left both teams unbolded.

The "Developing" Players
Aged 18 - Adel 2, Port 3
(Knights/Gibson vs. Eckermann/DeLuca/Willits)
Aged 19 - Adel 3, Port 4
(Maric/Meesen/Van Berlo vs. Chaplin/Thomson/Ezard/Peel)
Aged 20 - Adel 2, Port 4
(Watts/Jericho vs. Salopek/Symes/Pettigrew/Surjan)
Aged 21 - Adel 3, Port 2
(Krueger/Schuback/Reilly vs. Ebert/Gilham)
Aged 22 - Adel 7, Port 3
(Thompson/Hentschel/Smith/Bock/Skipworth/Johncock/Rutten vs. K.Cornes/S.Burgoyne/White)

Total - Adel 17, Port 16

Should Be in Their Prime
Aged 23 - Adel 2, Port 1
(Mattner/S.Stevens vs. Cassisi)
Aged 24 - Adel 2, Port 0
(McGregor/Ladhams)
Aged 25 - Adel 3, Port 3
(Shirley/Begley/Massie vs. C.Cornes/Shattock/Thurstans)
Aged 26 - Adel 5, Port 3
(Doughty/Bode/Welsh/Perrie/Hudson vs. Brogan/Dew/Tredrea)
Aged 27 - Adel 1, Port 3
(Burton vs. Cochrane/Mahoney/P.Burgoyne)
Aged 28 - Adel 4, Port 3
(Goodwin/Bassett/Torney/Biglands vs. Wilson/Pickett/Poulton)
Aged 29 - Adel 3, Port 3
(McLeod/Edwards/M.Stevens vs. James/Lade/Walsh)

Total - Adel 20, Port 16

Arguably past their prime

Aged 30 - Adel 1, Port 3
(Ricciuto vs. Primus/Kingsley/Bishop)
Aged 31 - Adel 1, Port 2
(Hart vs. Wakelin/Francou)
Aged 32 - Adel 1, Port 2
(Clarke vs. Wanganeen/Montgomery)

Total - Adel 3, Port 7

At what age do you consider a footballer to be in his prime syd? I would have thought between 23-27. There will always be exceptions like Wangas, Roo, Buckley etc but I would have thought by the age of 28 most footballers would be hitting their declining years.
In 2005 the PAFC will have 11 players on their list turning 29+ and two players turning 28. Of those 13, Bishop,Francou, James, Kinglsey, Lade, Pickett, Monty, Primus, Wakelin, Wangas and Wilson would be in their best 22. Of the 12 just mentioned, 11 will be 29+. They will have one more crack at it next year and then the rebuild starts. Mind you, it will not be as severe as ours, bit it will be a rebuild no doubt about it. I think Chocco realises they will be going for broke next year. If he doesn't start turning the list over in 2006 there could be tears.

 

[Mong]

With such an aging list, Port should take a kid...but I also reckon they'll go for Zantuck or Blumfield. The Power is in premiership mode and are seemingly not interested in rebuilding. This may come back to hurt them in 2006/2007.

But how many young kids did they draft this year? It was 4 or 5. That is plenty.

Before this year we drafted 3, 1 and 3 players in the last three National drafts (and Hudson was mature aged). That's where the difference is. You can afford to pick up experienced players in the draft if you are constantly drafting 4 or 5 kids every year, which is where our problem lay.


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[Dogwatcher]

I spoke with someone involved in the recruiting process yesterday - the Crows will take a 'ready to go' player with the first pick. The following two rookie draft picks will be for project players.
West Adelaide's Scott Lewis has apparently impressed - he's a definite wildcard.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

But how many young kids did they draft this year? It was 4 or 5. That is plenty.

Before this year we drafted 3, 1 and 3 players in the last three National drafts (and Hudson was mature aged). That's where the difference is. You can afford to pick up experienced players in the draft if you are constantly drafting 4 or 5 kids every year, which is where our problem lay.


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Looking at the age of the list can be misleading ****. You need to look at the age range of your starting 22. You can have 15 kids on your list but if 50% of your starting 22 is over 29 yo then you may experience problems in the not too distant future.

 

[johnnypanther]

I spoke with someone involved in the recruiting process yesterday - the Crows will take a 'ready to go' player with the first pick. The following two rookie draft picks will be for project players.

i assume that a ready to go player would be perhaps Fisher or Priddis but i dont understand why we should use our 1st pick on the ready to go player unless we thought it likely that another club would pick that player in the 1st round

i'm still hoping for Juniper on sheer potential & Pearce (i'm assuming someone like Kirkby would be gone in the PSD or inthe rookie draft before we pick)
but i must admit there are players there i've never heard of or know very little about (eg Hinge, Lewis......)
so i guess i will trust the AFC's recruiting knowledge to make the correct choices

 

[Stiffy_18]

i assume that a ready to go player would be perhaps Fisher or Priddis but i dont understand why we should use our 1st pick on the ready to go player unless we thought it likely that another club would pick that player in the 1st round

i'm still hoping for Juniper on sheer potential & Pearce (i'm assuming someone like Kirkby would be gone in the PSD or inthe rookie draft before we pick)
but i must admit there are players there i've never heard of or know very little about (eg Hinge, Lewis......)
so i guess i will trust the AFC's recruiting knowledge to make the correct choices

I read somewhere that WC are very interested in Priddis. Maybe we rate him so highly that we want to use pick 5 on him

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I spoke with someone involved in the recruiting process yesterday - the Crows will take a 'ready to go' player with the first pick. The following two rookie draft picks will be for project players.
West Adelaide's Scott Lewis has apparently impressed - he's a definite wildcard.

That all sounds quite feasible and certainly a strategy I would support

 

[crowsarethebest]

I read somewhere that WC are very interested in Priddis. Maybe we rate him so highly that we want to use pick 5 on him

I also heard that freo are interested in juniper and jon griffin,....

 

[- PC -]

I also heard that freo are interested in juniper and jon griffin,....

As I posted before I think Freo need rucks with the departure of Simmonds so a Griffin wouldnt surprise me.