Ross Lyon

[TheTrav]

Ok so we got the win pretty easy in the end, so the heat(didn't have any to start with even though he should) will be off him for another week, but what is your stance on Ross Lyon? our players seem very unmotivated at times and when we should be putting teams to the sword, ala Geelong & Hawthorn, we let them back in the game, some of that has to go to be the blame of the coach. Just wondering what everyones opinion is on him at the moment, even though weare all very pleased we got the 4points.

 

[mailman4]

too true about not putting teams away, 3 years ago we used to make every 5 goal lead in the last quater blow out to a 10 goal but now half the time we just struggle to hang on. im not sure if its the coach, the fitness or we're just not good enough but for us to be a real contender we have to bring that % up alot higher...still a great win

 

[siamang]

Essendon's fluke accuracy combined with our inaccuracy really flattered them tonight.

 

[siamang]

Yeah ____ that article was annoying, how would he know what goes on with the team? He was just plain wrong when talking about inflated egos, i don't think that applies to any of our players.

Just another example of a media dumbass making a fool of themselves.

 

[Axcellence]

Yeah ____ that article was annoying, how would he know what goes on with the team? He was just plain wrong when talking about inflated egos, i don't think that applies to any of our players.

Just another example of a media dumbass making a fool of themselves.

Right.... and you would know....

FYI... here's a quote straight off Lenny's mouth

Hayes said after the match that Voss' comments had been discussed before the game.

"A couple of guys mentioned it before the game and we've had some pretty big discussions this week and I think Vossy's got some merit in what he said.

"I think at times, yeah, we can play a little bit … like individuals and try and take it upon yourself to go out and win the game off your own boot. But when we play our best footy, like tonight, everyone chips in and that's what we want. We don't need anyone to go out and kick 10 each week or get 30 possessions every week, it's just a matter of everyone doing their bit and playing as a team.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...auty-in-victory/2008/04/18/1208025486204.html

Now go back and eat your own words.

 

[siamang]

That's putting it a lot more mildly than voss did

 

[MilneyLoves2Snap]

Bring back Stan 'the saint' Alves. He will take us back to the top

 

[Without Bias]

Last week, Ross Lyon's team had 29 scoring shots against Geelong, the most of any team since mid-2006 against the Cats.

The following week his team had 33 scoring shots against Essendon.

Lyon can manage a list very well, and he has a gameplan that allows you lots of shots on goal.

At what point do the players need to take responsibility?

A coach can only do so much IMHO.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Bring back Stan 'the saint' Alves. He will take us back to the top

Worst thing the club ever did was sack that bloke.

But I digress.

I used to think that our gameplan consists of going hard to get a good lead and then trying to preserve but I realised last night, we didn't play badly when Essendon got their run on; we were just less motivated, we were content to let them get one or two back, thinking it doesn't matter.

But momentum can come from anywhere, as we learnt two weeks ago against the bulldogs. That is all it takes. From then on, Essendon exposed our weakness by running, running, running.

The way to beat St.KIlda - Run, run run.

The way to beat the running game - Accountability and get to the ball first. The trouble was there seemed to be a script for the dons which they were sticking to, where every time we were first to the ball, we'd cough it up and they'd then run, run, run and goal.

Now I realise, it isn't the coach. He isn't telling the blokes to take it easy when they get out to a big lead.

People say we'll never win a flag with Ross Lyon as coach but I disagree. Yes, he is trying to bring some of the Sydney style to our game, but we don't continuously flood or get numbers back to stop the flow - tempo footy in other words as many others perceive us to.

We still have our basic gameplan of attack, attack, attack, its just that the attacking needs to be relentless - which is the fault of the whole team.

Last night was credit in that we were able to respond to the Essendon challenge. Once we stopped making basic mistakes. Twice in the third quarter, Roo had a set shot, but either passed it or tried to give it to someone else and failed, and one other time a crucial contest where there was no communication blew an oppurtunity for another shot at goal.

Credit to Roo for slotting that very important goal in the third term to make the buffer back out to four goals.

Let's see if we can keep this up against the really good teams of the competition. next week is a huge challenge for us.

 

[Kildonan]

Last week, Ross Lyon's team had 29 scoring shots against Geelong, the most of any team since mid-2006 against the Cats.

The following week his team had 33 scoring shots against Essendon.

Lyon can manage a list very well, and he has a gameplan that allows you lots of shots on goal.

At what point do the players need to take responsibility?

A coach can only do so much IMHO.

Excellent post

I have also spoken about the number of scoring shots we have been getting and for what results. The Dons had a freaky accuracy for most of the match that kept them in it.

How long has it been since you heard a commentator say that about the Saints?

I have been vocal with regards to the Sydney style gameplan. Many may attribute our style of play to a direct assimilation of that nasty (but successful) gameplan. I don't think it is. We simply don't have the footskills to play keepings off the way Sydney do. Our gameplan is more of an adaptation to our players skills and it does make us more accountable than what we have been in the past. Using this gameplan we are getting enough of the ball into the forward line to win matches. We just don't seem to be able to convert our chances with the same degree of success as the better clubs.

 

[Persevering Saint]

I was actually PLEASED with the third quarter, as strange as that may sound. Look, the fact is that a good team like the Dons will always respond at one point and try to give everything they've got to mount a last ditch effort. The point is that the boys faced that challenge and still won. Good stuff.

The other factor is the G. He is a fantastic player who simply doesn't fit the style of game that Lyon wants. He's like that old antique piece of silverware in your cupboard - it doesn't fit with any of your other stuff, but you just can't bear to through it away (yes, btw, I've just moved into a new flat, and we're unpacking boxes...). Lyon has had to make the agonising decision, play with a good and undoubtedly loyal player who wrecks your gameplan, or ditch him for that gameplan.

If Lyon gets us playing every week like we did on Friday, then I'm not going to be too fussed.

 

[Saint4Life]

I was actually PLEASED with the third quarter, as strange as that may sound. Look, the fact is that a good team like the Dons will always respond at one point and try to give everything they've got to mount a last ditch effort. The point is that the boys faced that challenge and still won. Good stuff.

The other factor is the G. He is a fantastic player who simply doesn't fit the style of game that Lyon wants. He's like that old antique piece of silverware in your cupboard - it doesn't fit with any of your other stuff, but you just can't bear to through it away (yes, btw, I've just moved into a new flat, and we're unpacking boxes...). Lyon has had to make the agonising decision, play with a good and undoubtedly loyal player who wrecks your gameplan, or ditch him for that gameplan.

If Lyon gets us playing every week like we did on Friday, then I'm not going to be too fussed.

Sorry, we were lucky to win against Essendon, if they kicked straight, it was all over in that third quarter. We need to put them away.

Also, your wrong about G-Train, if Ross actually did some kicking practice, maybe the midfield players can kick to him on a lead.

Happy that we won, but not convinced at all with the style of play. We would have lost against a team like Hawthorn on friday night...

 

[Qsaint]

Excellent post

I have also spoken about the number of scoring shots we have been getting and for what results. The Dons had a freaky accuracy for most of the match that kept them in it.

How long has it been since you heard a commentator say that about the Saints?

I have been vocal with regards to the Sydney style gameplan. Many may attribute our style of play to a direct assimilation of that nasty (but successful) gameplan. I don't think it is. We simply don't have the footskills to play keepings off the way Sydney do. Our gameplan is more of an adaptation to our players skills and it does make us more accountable than what we have been in the past. Using this gameplan we are getting enough of the ball into the forward line to win matches. We just don't seem to be able to convert our chances with the same degree of success as the better clubs.

We have always had a lot of shots at goal, its where those shots come from. Our main tactical problem IM very humble O is that we do OK in defence and when we come out the Roo (mainly) mark is 80 mtrs from goal intead of 40 to 60 mtrs, IE we need to carry the ball more in the middle to make a quick entry into 50, currently a full zone gets put on after we stop get up and have a kick from 80. The other thing that kick from 80 does is create alot of low percentage snaps which makes our % look better (shots on goal) than it should.

 

[Squizz]

I do think we have been tinkering with the Sydney model which doesn't suit our skills as Kildonan has mentioned.

I thought Essendon did not stick to their strengths and stuffed around with it at half back, rather than taking the man on which put the shivers up us in the 3rd.

We did the 1%'ers well on Friday, which gave the ball carrier a bit of space (not something we had against the Cats). If we can continue that - great - but it takes its toll physically and I would rather the Saints have a better game plan (of course continuing to play team oriented footy).

We still don't seem to honour leads - too many times players have been 15m off their men and we don't pass it to them. Far too often we are at half back and ignore the short option, get whistled to play on, and then kick to a contest. We also had some success in chipping the ball over players and letting them run onto it, but for some reason have stopped trying this.

 

[bluejay]

Sorry, we were lucky to win against Essendon, if they kicked straight, it was all over in that third quarter. We need to put them away.

Did you watch the game at all? They actually kicked traight (as some even say, freakishly accurate). So to say we were lucky to win against the Dons because they didn't kick straight seems to me as a wrong statement. And specially in that 3rd quarter when they kicked 6 or 7 goals in a row. I believe we managed to contain the pressure in that quarter fairly reasonably. After those 4 goals in 4 minutes just to start the 2nd half, they could have buried us but they didn't. And it was not because they didn't kick accurately, but because we managed to keep their run at a decent level and contain them to just 3 more goals for the rest of the quarter (25 more minutes).

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

We have always had a lot of shots at goal, its where those shots come from. Our main tactical problem IM very humble O is that we do OK in defence and when we come out the Roo (mainly) mark is 80 mtrs from goal intead of 40 to 60 mtrs, IE we need to carry the ball more in the middle to make a quick entry into 50, currently a full zone gets put on after we stop get up and have a kick from 80. The other thing that kick from 80 does is create alot of low percentage snaps which makes our % look better (shots on goal) than it should.

St.Kilda actually leads the league in "corridor" 50m entries. Our conversion rate is woeful but we all know that.

I thought Ross' coaching was excellent on Friday night. His matchups were superb. He took Fletcher out of the game.

Credit where credit is due, he did a great job.

 

[Axcellence]

We have always had a lot of shots at goal, its where those shots come from. Our main tactical problem IM very humble O is that we do OK in defence and when we come out the Roo (mainly) mark is 80 mtrs from goal intead of 40 to 60 mtrs, IE we need to carry the ball more in the middle to make a quick entry into 50, currently a full zone gets put on after we stop get up and have a kick from 80. The other thing that kick from 80 does is create alot of low percentage snaps which makes our % look better (shots on goal) than it should.

I like your theory... however, even if the low %age snaps are concerned, we still had enough marks in the forward 50... and ideally any team should convert them at a much better rate... than what was St Kilda's.

 

[35Harvs]

Rossy was on On the Couch last night, did anyone else see it?

Loved the way he spoke, answered some questions (without answering them, ie Cousins)

Sheehan interrupted a few times, (talking about C Gardiner etc) which would have been interesting to hear his comments.

 

[Squizz]

So he didn't answer a question with a series of unrelated questions?

Like "where's Fraser Gehrig at?".

Hypothetical reply from Ross :

"Do I think that Kosi can kick goals for us? Yes"

"Do I think Milne has upped his defensive workrate? Yes"

"Do I think we can get better in this area? Yes"

"Do I answer questions with unrelated questions to myself? You're damn right I do"