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I think it is time that the coaching staff bite the bullet and send him down back for a bit of time. Effectively stopping to haemoraging that is our backline, giving the likes of Gilham and Co support.

His kicking is for goal is rubbish and he drifts out of games too easily.

This will give buddy more space to work with and the option to play one of dowler or lisle as that secondary target. Throw in Cyril and Burgoyne off the flank with Hooper and Brownie.

Thoughts?
 
kmah8 said:
I think it is time that the coaching staff bite the bullet and send him down back for a bit of time. Effectively stopping to haemoraging that is our backline, giving the likes of Gilham and Co support.

His kicking is for goal is rubbish and he drifts out of games too easily.

This will give buddy more space to work with and the option to play one of dowler or lisle as that secondary target. Throw in Cyril and Burgoyne off the flank with Hooper and Brownie.

Thoughts?
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Wrote the same thing in a previous post last night.. We need to better utilize our list , we have more natural forwards than defenders and i think roughead would be great down back.
 
Totally agree. He's lost all confidence in front of goal and doesn't seem to be turning the corner. He'd make a great CHB, he's strong one on one, has great balance and recovery once the ball hits the deck and has always looked pretty composed. Send Shoe forward to add another dynamic to our forward line.

To those who's argument is "you don't send a 60+ goal kicker to the back-line", i've got one name for you..........Stephen Silvagni. Could have easily made a gun forward and always kicked bags when the switch was made. BUT Carlton needed him down back.

Enough sitting around Clarko, make a move already!
 

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Buddy4PM said:
Totally agree. He's lost all confidence in front of goal and doesn't seem to be turning the corner. He'd make a great CHB, he's strong one on one, has great balance and recovery once the ball hits the deck and has always looked pretty composed. Send Shoe forward to add another dynamic to our forward line.

To those who's argument is "you don't send a 60+ goal kicker to the back-line", i've got one name for you..........Stephen Silvagni. Could have easily made a gun forward and always kicked bags when the switch was made. BUT Carlton needed him down back.

Enough sitting around Clarko, make a move already!
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Nah, Rough stays forward. Send Barker to anywhere but our forwards coach
 
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Yes. Leave him at CHB to settle in there.

Let Roughie have a similar career path to that of Trent's. We need to restructure our forward line with players consistently holding marks and be accurate kicking for for goals.

Jarryd can fist the ball and is athletically suitable for the position.
 
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No Henry as I fear I'd be flapping all over the place. :D
 
No way, too good up forward. Sure he has lost some confidence recently...but remember last year against the blues?
His kicking for goal is actually good when he's confident. Agree on the barker front.
 
We simply won't and shouldn't compromise our structure of two tall forwards, when available.

To move Roughead to the back half would mean that we'd do to Buddy exactly what we saw happen to Roughead last night.
 
ive thought abt it and probably agree.

if gibson was there, keep rough forward...but our backline is a huge weakness for us. Its not because he cant kick straight...though that doesnt help, its because he would play the position better than anyone we have in the side..and at the end of the day. The team needs a key back more than it does a key forward. Utilize cyril closer to goal if need be..hooper when he comes back..
 
I think a move for Roughie to the backline could be a masterstroke. Similar to Justin Leppich from Brisbane - started as as CHF and then turned into one of the most reliable CHB in the comp and played an important role for Brisbane in their glory days.
We recruited Dowler as a FF so let him play his natural position (showed quite capable against ESS last year) and let Buddy roam around the 50m arc.
Nothing to lose as our defense is a problem and this may be the solution.
 

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So we take Roughie down back, and bring Dowler in?

I'd much rather have a foward line consisting of Roughead and Franklin than Franklin and Morton / Dowler. He's easily a better foward than either of those two, and taking him out of that foward line really makes it seem a little predictable.
 
I definitely support this and the Barker statement.

Even if it doesn't work isn't it at least worth a try? We just keep losing and doing the same things every week. Same deal with Brown to the backline, lets out our best and most experienced players down back.

While Roughead is being tried in defense Shoey can play up forward with Buddy. He couldn't do any worse than sat night. Let's just try something before it's too late.
 
We were wondering about this in the shoey thread. He may be more your traditional CHF which would change our structure as required.

Ideally Rough and Shoe could switch on demand once they ar both comfortable in both spots at AFL level (like in a year or so - but dont switch too much now and cruel them like with croad a few years back.

Also Shoe has been tried up forward in the pre season. And prior to Gibsons injury he wasnt down back much
 
Our forward line isn't functioning and our defense is horrible. I don't see what Clarkson would have to lose by at least trying Roughead down there for a quarter or two.

The only real question is who replaces him in the forward line. Morton has never impressed me and Dowler is passable at best. We have no other tall options (that I know of) so we'd be relying on smaller players to crumb around Franklin. I suppose with guys like Obsorne, Brown, Rioli and (eventually) Hooper that could work, at least against some teams.

In any case I reckon it's worth playing Roughead down back for awhile and drumming the message into his skull that he will only be able to play up forward when he learns how to kick straight!
 
Posted this in the Schoenmakers thread.

The more I think about it, the more I think maybe swap Schoenmakers and Roughead. Roughead's field kicking is decent, and he's big enough and fast enough to match it with the best. On paper, that is.

FF - Franklin
CHF - Schoenmakers
C - Sewell
CHB - Roughead
FB - Gilham/Gibbo (when fit)

Either that or someone spends a lot of time with Roughy in front of the goals.
 
at rougheads stage he could handle the swaps.
it would be fairer fon shoey to get soem consistnecy in one or the other, but as a CHF he would change our dynamic. its a question of ehether he learns fwd or back first.

In the preseason he had time at both ends, and had time on a wing v the doggies
 

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At the moment we are seeing Schoey float in & out of games and make some pretty bad errors. We as supporters then make comments such as:
He is young; learning his trade; growing into his body, needs 50 more games & 2 more pre-seasons etc.

Roughy isn't as young; his body is settled; & to a certain extent, he knows his trade. (although what we are proposing here is to reverse his game plan which will obviously take some time to master).

All the above considered, moving Roughie to CHB gives us a big bodied defender RIGHT NOW; not when he develops, not with 2 more pre-seasons & 50 games under his belt... This to me is a huge positive.

Schoey played Forward as a junior. Completely different league, but at least the mind set should be similar. Not sure whether to play him at FF or CHF though - it will be a few yrs before he plays Forward as well as Roughie does.

I believe that the gain in moving Roughie to CHB outweighs the loss in moving Schoey forward and as such it should be done.
 
It might work in bursts, and to help swing momentum, but I don't think this can be a long term solution. We need to persist with our kids, and get Gibson back in ASAP.

Roughy is far to valuable up forward, and our backline hasn't been woeful (frustrating might be more accurate). No backline would have stood up to the amount of inside 50's that the Pies gave their forwards on Saturday.
 
Uness Hodge is there the Hawks backline also lacks leadership big time. Roughead provides this too.

Make it happen.

Half the time we are playing 1 forward anyway with buddy running around aimlessly. Leave Buddy at home and make him lead (give cattle prods to the cheer squad if you have to) and put Rough at CHB. He will be AA 5 years in a row!
 
Yes please! Shoey to CHF with Buddy at FF. (Don't play him up the field. The man is a proven goal kicking machine.) Hodge down back too for that matter. The 2008 twin towers approach up forward that worked so well would be great but unfortunately we no longer have Trent Croad or a ready made replacement.

What we have been doing the past year and a half is not working. Look at the results. They speak for themselves. Do something...
 
Absolutely agree. This will free up Buddy at FF. Perhaps with Hooper, Peterson, Rioli crumbing.. Burgoyne resting forward when he comes in the team.

PLEASE LEAVE BUDDY AT FF to kick goals circa 2008. Dont look to reinvent the wheel.
 

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