Autopsy Round 19 vs St Kilda

[Smithy7]

 

[Smithy7]

 

[jack_black16]

And you're surprised? It constantly amazes me how people just can't jerry to the fact that the AFL is so obviously, blatantly and completely rigged...it's been going on for 30+ years, ever since the VFL shunted South Melbourne to Sydney to cash in on the most populous market and earn sufficient funds to continually bail out half a dozen struggling Melbourne clubs. Those who can remember will recall South finished 10th with 6 wins in 1981, lost half their administration and six of their best players, had no base or training facilities in Sydney in 1982, but still won the night competition and just missed the finals. Really??
Seriously people, there's more rigging in the AFL than on the docks...
The main reason I gave up on following the garbage and went back to my roots watching fair dinkum country football, where there aren't six ' upsets ' a week, and fifteen momentum swings in a quarter ( let alone a game.. ) just to keep the excitement up for the TV crowd so as the ratings remain high and the TV networks bid megabucks for the rights, and to ensure the fight for the eight goes right down to the very last match to keep everyone riveted....
Why waste time getting wound up over it? it's one great big soap opera that deserves to be treated with contempt. One can only hope before too much longer some scandal like the one in international cricket comes to the fore, to expose the whole sorry, sordid mess.
Wake up people. AFL = Artificial Football League.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Last play analysis

 

[Peck]

Last play analysis

People panic under pressure, it is natural and it's part the reason the best teams don't always win.

 

[Cronos]

I've noticed that at other games too. Not sure what the rule is there and maybe the timekeepers aren't allowed to use their own judgement all the time for fear of a ball that appears to be going out or through the sticks coming back into play. Although you'd think with things like Young's goal, which bounced past the goal umpire, they should be able to call time immediately.

The clock stops on a score the moment the goal umpire indicates the score with 1 or 2 fingers. Clock stops on OOB when the Boundary Umpire blows his whistle.

All in 10.5.1 of the Laws.

 

[mic59]

The clock stops on a score the moment the goal umpire indicates the score with 1 or 2 fingers. Clock stops on OOB when the Boundary Umpire blows his whistle.

All in 10.5.1 of the Laws.

Thanks, thought was the case. So those seconds, which may be vital, can be lost because we have goal umpires who are more interested in posturing than signalling the score straight away.
For example, take a relatively normal score of say 15.12 to 11.11. Of those 49 scores it is likely that at least half were through the sticks well out of reach of any defender and should be able to be called immediately. But goal umpires are known to scuttle back to the centre of the goal and stand there impressively before they put their fingers up. This could easily translate to at least 1-2 minutes of lost time and a chance for a team to win.

 

[_VXV]

People panic under pressure, it is natural and it's part the reason the best teams don't always win.

Reckon if they hadn't rested Riewoldt that play wouldn't have happened so fluidly.

That's how you do a sliding door dickhead

 

[Canoogs]

Thanks, thought was the case. So those seconds, which may be vital, can be lost because we have goal umpires who are more interested in posturing than signalling the score straight away.
For example, take a relatively normal score of say 15.12 to 11.11. Of those 49 scores it is likely that at least half were through the sticks well out of reach of any defender and should be able to be called immediately. But goal umpires are known to scuttle back to the centre of the goal and stand there impressively before they put their fingers up. This could easily translate to at least 1-2 minutes of lost time and a chance for a team to win.

Goal umpires can only signal a goal from the middle of the goal line (which is a great way to tell if it's a goal before they signal). They cannot signal a score until they have received the all clear from a field umpire. The nod of the goal umpires head is him acknowledging the all clear being given. You can see from the Trengove's goal that the goal umpire was not able to hear or had his vision obscured of the field umpire. In this instance, he had to chase the field umpire until he receives the all clear, then go back and signal.

The all clear is important - it tells the goal umpire that there wasn't a free kick and that the score should stand.

 

[DaTBird187]

Goal umpires can only signal a goal from the middle of the goal line (which is a great way to tell if it's a goal before they signal). They cannot signal a score until they have received the all clear from a field umpire. The nod of the goal umpires head is him acknowledging the all clear being given. You can see from the Trengove's goal that the goal umpire was not able to hear or had his vision obscured of the field umpire. In this instance, he had to chase the field umpire until he receives the all clear, then go back and signal.

The all clear is important - it tells the goal umpire that there wasn't a free kick and that the score should stand.

I loved the way the goal umpire signaled Robbie's goal on the weekend. It was all like "* yeah, this is a ******* goal. Boom!!"

 

[tribey]

Goal umpires can only signal a goal from the middle of the goal line (which is a great way to tell if it's a goal before they signal). They cannot signal a score until they have received the all clear from a field umpire. The nod of the goal umpires head is him acknowledging the all clear being given. You can see from the Trengove's goal that the goal umpire was not able to hear or had his vision obscured of the field umpire. In this instance, he had to chase the field umpire until he receives the all clear, then go back and signal.

The all clear is important - it tells the goal umpire that there wasn't a free kick and that the score should stand.

Saw a classic game from 1989 or 1990 on Fox Footy awhile ago.

The goal umpire signalled a goal wherever he got the all-clear and facing directly at wherever that field umpire was standing. So weird.

 

[Canoogs]

Saw a classic game from 1989 or 1990 on Fox Footy awhile ago.

The goal umpire signalled a goal wherever he got the all-clear and facing directly at wherever that field umpire was standing. So weird.

Yeah, reckon it must have changed in the mid-90s. Probably to make it better for TV.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yeah, reckon it must have changed in the mid-90s. Probably to make it better for TV.

I've always wanted the goal umpire to signal a goal from 5m past the point post, given the bloody way they run if the ball is coming in on an angle.

 

[Port 2004]

As much as i am disappointed at where we are as a club that last goal to snatch victory back is a delight to watch

[/QUOTE]

Why are you so disappointed? In the tilt for the flag, offfield in a good position.

 

[GremioPower]

Last play analysis

This play looks rehersed. Gray's movement to get open and Ryder's pass seems to be done by design. We used the ruck as a wall to isolate Gray.

We got lucky the Saints had no one spying on Gray, but that is their problem.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This play looks rehersed. Gray's movement to get open and Ryder's pass seems to be done by design. We used the ruck as a wall to isolate Gray.

We got lucky the Saints had no one spying on Gray, but that is their problem.

Yes Ryder has talked about practising this type of set play in the couple of interview he has given since the end of the game.

Yep bad defensive play by Saint Kilda just like our poor defensive play against Geelong when we let Dangerfield kick that goal with about a minute to go and we lost by 2 pts.

 

[GremioPower]

Yes Ryder has talked about practising this type of set play in the couple of interview he has given since the end of the game.

Yep bad defensive play by Saint Kilda just like our poor defensive play against Geelong when we let Dangerfield kick that goal with about a minute to go and we lost by 2 pts.

The design is simple, but clever. Our execution was perfect as well. Other players moved away from the ruck, distracting the defense and opening space for Gray. Saints were caught off-guard.

 

[mic59]

Polec, Ryder and Gray in team of the week.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-01/team-of-the-week-r19-did-we-get-it-right

 

[Janus]

Last play analysis

Acres is coming up to block the space in front of the stoppage that had opened up in case Ryder flicked it goal side and Gray wheeled in front and to the left. This was done by design by Gray - he made as if he was going to cut left to draw Acres out of position and then backpedals and goes right and behind instead.

It showcases a) the ability of Ryder to make that tap and b) the football intelligence of Gray as a clearance specialist. It wasn't so much a mistake to come up as it was a mistake for the +3 St Kilda player in the footage to not to fill in the space vacated by the rucks as they came in to contest the tap.

 

[GremioPower]

Seeing the last goal, I realized that Aussie Football is what would come from rugby and basketball having a baby. It is a very interesting game!

I need to watch some games 'in loci'. I would love to see the plays developing, the movement of the players, the interactions between the lines — those things that are not shown on TV.

 

[GremioPower]

Acres is coming up to block the space in front of the stoppage that had opened up in case Ryder flicked it goal side and Gray wheeled in front and to the left. This was done by design by Gray - he made as if he was going to cut left to draw Acres out of position and then backpedals and goes right and behind instead.

It showcases a) the ability of Ryder to make that tap and b) the football intelligence of Gray as a clearance specialist. It wasn't so much a mistake to come up as it was a mistake for the +3 St Kilda player in the footage to not to fill in the space vacated by the rucks as they came in to contest the tap.

Acres is the spy, of course. So, they had someone spying on Gray.

However, he freaked out and jump-started. He got too close too soon to the outter side of the ruck, making impossible for him to cover Gray inside.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Seeing the last goal, I realized that Aussie Football is what would come from rugby and basketball having a baby. It is a very interesting game!

I need to watch some games 'in loci'. I would love to see the plays developing, the movement of the players, the interactions between the lines — those things that are not shown on TV.

The game live in the flesh is a lot bether than all the rectangle football codes who are better to watch on TV. Because of the size of the field and the 360 degree nature of the game, the TV can't capture a lot of stuff especially all the movement 50 to 100m from the ball by players.

 

[Janus]

Acres is the spy, of course. So, they had someone spying on Gray.

However, he freaked out and jump-started. He got too close too soon to the outter side of the ruck, making impossible for him to cover Gray inside.

Yeah, he started moving as soon as he saw that Gray had space goal side...but then Gray's opponent moved across to block that space anyway - and it wasn't where Gray was going at all regardless.

Seeing the last goal, I realized that Aussie Football is what would come from rugby and basketball having a baby. It is a very interesting game!

I need to watch some games 'in loci'. I would love to see the plays developing, the movement of the players, the interactions between the lines — those things that are not shown on TV.

Because the game is so fluid, it's hard to maintain things like spacing and shape across the field, but it's there. Sometimes you'll even see basic diamonds and flat 4/3 in defensive structures. For example, I'm of the opinion that we play Hartlett, Broadbent and Pittard in the same team because we want to have the ability to maintain our defensive structure while one of them acts as a kind of 'wingback' and pushes deep into attack. And whoever this is fluctuates with which area of the ground we are attacking down.

For the past month, Hartlett has been doing this pretty well - pushing forward and kicking goals. Pittard did it well against West Coast and then regressed when Broadbent went out of the side because he didn't trust Houston/Byrne-Jones to cover...but he got it back against St Kilda. Now all we need is Broadbent to get his mojo back.

 

[GremioPower]

The game live in the flesh is a lot bether than all the rectangle football codes who are better to watch on TV. Because of the size of the field and the 360 degree nature of the game, the TV can't capture a lot of stuff especially all the movement 50 to 100m from the ball by players.

Soccer is way better at the stadium than on TV. Still, there is an old saying here that "the best soccer is found on radio." Radio broadcasting is great: free heart test!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Soccer is way better at the stadium than on TV. Still, there is an old saying here that "the best soccer is found on radio." Radio broadcasting is great: free heart test!

I'm not talking about the atmosphere but the basic watching of what is happening on the field.