Round 2 Changes

[danzan22]

In: Zaharakis, Jetta.

Out: Slattery, Houli/Dyson.

Anyone can play back pocket... Stuff Slattery..

But **** all players on our list can play it as well as slattery can atm.

 

[Dick johnson]

DROP DYSON - Come on? he his the one guy in our team who should be staying at least his Bust his arse of each week trying

Although his attack on the ball has dramatically improved, on sunday there were a couple times where he let the ball go too easy, or went to ground.
The thing i cant get out of my head was when there was an open ball on the wing (dont know what qrtr or time, but it was the far wing from tv) and although he was 10-15 metres clear of the next person, he decided to go to ground to pick up the ball, and just completely missed it, but by the time he was back on his feet, a port player had already flashed past, picked it up and sent it forward.
there are certain times when going to ground is acceptable or needed, but majority of the time, once you go to ground, you are out of the contest. he can sometimes do this too often

Who do you suggest plays on the crumbing forward each week?

Whether Slats is good enough is not the issue - we have to play him until we get someone better.

Him playing on small crumbing forwards scares me. Look, you can't judge slatts' heart, he is a player that will give 100% and will put his body in for the team time after time. But he is just that, a hardman, but does not really possess and great football brain, and when he is put on small creative forwards, who really on their instincts and smarts, he is outplayed. Not so much ebert (although i thought he played fairly poorly), but times when I've seen him line up on brad johnson, he can put his body in the way, but can't compete against their footy brain.

 

[yaco55]

Slattery is OK playing on small crumbing forwards but struggles against small marking forwards.

It may be that Myers has to take this role in the short term and groom T.Slattery in the longer term.

 

[daffo]

Is Longergan out this week? Any news about his hand?

 

[TheDon35]

Who do you suggest plays on the crumbing forward each week?

Whether Slats is good enough is not the issue - we have to play him until we get someone better.

Slow, unskillfull and poor at reading the flight. Hardly a good option for a crumbing forward who is ussually quick, highly skilled and excellent at reading the flight.

Further more, Slattery is more used as the option for the smaller marking forward rather than the crumber.

Hear are some names of blokes that could do a better job for the roll he plays, or should be tried in that roll in order to develop them:

Monfries: Would love to see a coach show some innovation and give him a go down in that roll. He hasn't had a big enough impact in the roll he's been doing.. Give him a crack.

Pears: More for your smaller marking forward. Far better long term prospect than Slattery.

Kyle Reimers: Although injured, could become an excellent defensive player on quick smalls if given the chance. Could also really hurt on the rebound with his skill. Definately won't die wondering. Has the tools and shouldn't be considered as the year goes on. Would also be good for his time up forward and through the middle.

T Slattery: Drafted as a running half back, maybe won't give us the output immediately but lets start developing him rather than playing a bloke who won't be there when we are challening.

Neither are my favourites but IMO Mcphee and NLM would provide more value as mature age players than what Slattery does.

Daniher: another development idea but lets give him a shot on a bloke like Brad Johnson and see how he goes. Henry Slattery doesn't do a good job on him.

There's just a few, I'm sure you'll disagree with most but lests start developing this team.

 

[lamaros]

Possible Ins:

Jetta, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, Myers, Daniher, NLM

Possible Outs:

Lonergan, Neagle, Houli, Slattery, Monfries.


This is not necessarily with the best team in mind, but players like Pears and Dempsey need some games in the first team, so they'll stay despite me thinking they still have a lot to learn before they fully justify the place.

Lonergan is out for sure, and I suspect that Neagle has to go. Forward line doesn't work at the moment and he did less than Lucas and Lloyd (and you don't drop Lucas and Lloyd after 1 game).

I'd like to see Myers in over Slattery and Jetta over Monfries. My take would be to go with:

In:

Jetta, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, Myers.

Out:

Lonergan, Neagle, Slattery, Houli.

Though I suspect that 2 out of Houli, Slattery and Monfries will probably hold their places.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

In: Zaharakis, Jetta.

Out: Slattery, Houli/Dyson.

Anyone can play back pocket... Stuff Slattery..

This is becoming a theme, isn't it?

Slow, unskillfull and poor at reading the flight. Hardly a good option for a crumbing forward who is ussually quick, highly skilled and excellent at reading the flight.

Look, Slats is not in the best 22 players when listed from top to bottom. But neither is Laycock, and he's a lock in the 22.

Further more, Slattery is more used as the option for the smaller marking forward rather than the crumber.

He's played on both, and tbh has had roughly equal levels of sucess on both.

Hear are some names of blokes that could do a better job for the roll he plays, or should be tried in that roll in order to develop them:

I disagree that playing players in the back pocket develops them. I'd rather see players given a run on the ball, or on the wing for development.

Monfries: Would love to see a coach show some innovation and give him a go down in that roll. He hasn't had a big enough impact in the roll he's been doing.. Give him a crack.

I like him in his current role, and I think that Gus playing a tagging role on the back flankers gives Davey (and Jetta if he's in the team) more latitude to move into the midfield.

Pears: More for your smaller marking forward. Far better long term prospect than Slattery.

With Ryder forward, I think Pears will be required for the talls. Definitely has the ability to play there - the question is whether his development is better served elsewhere.

Kyle Reimers: Although injured, could become an excellent defensive player on quick smalls if given the chance. Could also really hurt on the rebound with his skill. Definately won't die wondering. Has the tools and shouldn't be considered as the year goes on. Would also be good for his time up forward and through the middle.

If I had 10 Kyle Reimerses, he'd play in both back pockets, on the ball and in the forward pocket. My question is where he is most effective - as a back pocket, a running defender, an inside mid, an outside mid, a Kornes type tagger or a small forward - he can literally play any of those, and with aplomb. Would definitely be a better option that Slattery, but is also a better option elsewhere. Personally, I'd like to see him tagging like Kornes until Welsh gets back.

T Slattery: Drafted as a running half back, maybe won't give us the output immediately but lets start developing him rather than playing a bloke who won't be there when we are challening.

Is definitely in line for a position, but I don't think he has the body strength to play on guys like Johnson, Motlop and Ebert, and would be slaughtered more than his namesake. If he plays this year, I think he should have a bit more latitude to run.

Neither are my favourites but IMO Mcphee and NLM would provide more value as mature age players than what Slattery does.

McPhee showed this week why he MUST play forward, and NLM is less disciplined that Slats.

Daniher: another development idea but lets give him a shot on a bloke like Brad Johnson and see how he goes. Henry Slattery doesn't do a good job on him.

Not sold on him as a small defender at all. He showed some nice signs against Collingwood in the NAB Cup, but I doubt he has the agility to play on a Daniel Motlop type.

There's just a few, I'm sure you'll disagree with most but lests start developing this team.

It's interesting that the player I consider Slats' biggest competition for his place - Atkinson - was left off your list.

Basically, there are a few players who are better back pockets than Slats. The question is whether playing them there is the best place to put them.

To use an extreme example, McVeigh would probably be our best back pocket, but is better served in the midfield.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Given the new injury news ():

OUT:
Dempsey - not enough defensive awareness to play in defence
Lonergan - injured
Houli - not enough defensive awareness to play in the midfield or defense

IN:
Zaharakis - has obviously earnt his spot
Jetta - let Skipworth replace Lonergan on the ball, as he is one of the few tough bodies who isn't in a settled spot
Bellchambers - a better ruckman than Ryder, tbh.

 

[hird+lloyd=legends]

Out:Lonergan
In: Jetta/Zaka
Id make just the 1 change this week.

 

[reimersyoubeauty]

Is anyone hearing Jay Nash?
The bloke is a star and i rate him pretty evenly with Sam Lonergan, although pretty different kinds of players.
He was solid last year and looks like a solid future player IMO.

 

[Enki]

How can he be a "star" if he was only solid last year and looks to be solid in the future?

And just my opinion, but he isn't close to being as good as Lonergan.

 

[Wanna B Hird]

I think TheDon35 made a good point and I thought about it last year, Iwould like to see Gus in a back pocket he could play a roll simular to Wangas I think he would learn alot

 

[Windas_Magic]

I think TheDon35 made a good point and I thought about it last year, Iwould like to see Gus in a back pocket he could play a roll simular to Wangas I think he would learn alot

Monfries is not and will never be a defender.

 

[bomberstomake8]

I think TheDon35 made a good point and I thought about it last year, Iwould like to see Gus in a back pocket he could play a roll simular to Wangas I think he would learn alot

yeah but then whose plays the defensive forward role? its pretty much a necessity in todays game and monfries does a pretty good job at it. he gets a fair bit of the ball, can be pretty dangerous in front of goals if the defender isnt accountable and has the physical attributes to match any of the creative running defenders. i wouldnt trust jetta/davey playing that role

i personally dont mind slattery as a back pocket, he is by no means the best in this position but imo he does a pretty good job.

i know everyone is a fan of bringing in zaka after his awesome game on the weekend however i would like to leave him there for a few weeks and see how he goes.

Outs: lonergan
Ins: jetta

i wasnt too dissapointed with the loss on the weekend i thought it was going to be a lot worse and i think our side needs to get a bit settled with as little changes as possible.

atkinson/slattery as the back pocket imo, leave

 

[upanddown]

Is anyone hearing Jay Nash?
The bloke is a star and i rate him pretty evenly with Sam Lonergan, although pretty different kinds of players.
He was solid last year and looks like a solid future player IMO.

Hopefully get a run this week

 

[bomberstomake8]

not really relevant to the thread but who do people think we should play on pavlich?

with ryder expected to play ruck and forward we have 3 options fletcher pears and hurley.

although id like to see hurley get the job i dont think its the right way to go about his development so i would say fletch at this point.

what does everyone else think on the topic

 

[bomberpride13]

dont like bagging any bomber players but slattery has to go.....he is not even close to being an afl player...how he gets a game gets me.....

id play paddy up forward...
leave matty at full forward
dyson is no good never has been....we wont go anywhere when we keep carrying guys like slattery and dyson

 

[bomberpride13]

and we need to get our skills up to scratch.....isnt that what pre season is for?if we get that ok and be accountable we may start winning more consistently.....

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Outs- Neagle
In- Zaharakis

We need to keep the side settled as possible, let them learn to play consistently together. Also we should reward good Bendigo form and punish bad form in the seniors to encourage players to fight for their spots and create strong depth.

With Lonergan injured, have to add Jetta to the in's.

 

[beev]

Myers for Lonergan

Zahararkis for Dyson

and someone for Bellchambers..or maybe Paddy can play in the ruck with Fletcher, Hurley and Pears down back.

 

[danzan22]

Bellchambers didn't play against port

Out: Dyson, lonergan
In: Zaharakis, Jetta

 

[Windas_Magic]

Hurley out for about a month with a quad strain

 

[Ben the Gooner]

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=6441

Oh ****ing ******* ****ing bollocking ******* ****ing bullshitting Christ.

****ing hell. Why the ****ing ******* **** does this always ****ing ******* happen to us.

 

[Windas_Magic]

OUT: Lonergan, Hurley, Lucas
IN: Zaharakis, Daniher, Jetta

 

[ECHUCABOY]

Whats up with Nash...havent heard a thing about him???