Autopsy Round 9, 2024 : Hawks slap the Saints

[Strapping Young Lad]

Hawthorn v St Kilda​

9 Jai Newcombe (HAW)
7 Rowan Marshall

19

Rowan Marshall

Age

28

Ht

201cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

3.4

5star

HO

20.2

5star

D

12.9

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.6

2star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

17.8

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.8

5star

(STK)
7 Karl Amon

10

Karl Amon

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

294.5

4star

D

21.0

5star

K

15.0

5star

HB

6.0

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

146.8

3star

(HAW)
3 Jarman Impey (HAW)
2 Jack Scrimshaw

14

Jack Scrimshaw

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

200.7

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

167.0

3star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

155.6

3star

(HAW)
1 Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

(STK)
1 Callum Wilkie

44

Callum Wilkie

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

(STK)

 

[Brishawk]

Hawthorn v St Kilda​

9 Jai Newcombe (HAW)
7 Rowan Marshall (STK)
7 Karl Amon (HAW)
3 Jarman Impey (HAW)
2 Jack Scrimshaw (HAW)
1 Jack Steele (STK)
1 Callum Wilkie (STK)

No meek. No moore. Not sure what game the coaches were watching

 

[Blahsta]

No meek. No moore. Not sure what game the coaches were watching

Interesting both coaches gave votes to Marshall, thought meek won that battle.

 

[Roddy]

I notice Marshall got the ruck spot in the SEN 'Team of the Week'. He did play a great game. I thought it was a ripping battle between the two....

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Interesting coaches votes

5 Jai
4 Marshall
3 Impey
2 Amon
1 Steele/Wilkie


5 Amon
4 Jai
3 Marshall
2 Scrimshaw
1 Wilkie/Steele

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Interesting both coaches gave votes to Marshall, thought meek won that battle.

Even if you thought Marshall won the duel there's no way he was 7 coach votes better then Meek.

Also - if Ginni had've kicked straight Marshall would have been the one to lose the game for them.

 

[tl92]

Disagree. He may be less prominent in terms of disposals however, he is still still having the same amount of impact on games. It’s just a different type of impact.

It coincides with Newc getting more of the ball as well as Days return.

He’s just getting down and dirty getting the ball out to better users.

Would you prefer Worps or Newc getting 25+?

Yep, worpel should only be judged on how many contested possessions he gets. Uncontested possessions are not his game and nor should they be given he’s not a great user.

 

[Topiary]

That was David Mackay, former Adelaide player. I was wondering the same thing when I saw the footage.

Dave McKay is Development Coach, has a lot to do with BH, and is a ripping young man.

 

[Lawsy]

Interesting coaches votes

5 Jai
4 Marshall
3 Impey
2 Amon
1 Steele/Wilkie


5 Amon
4 Jai
3 Marshall
2 Scrimshaw
1 Wilkie/Steele

It could also be:

Sam
5 Jai
4 Amon
3 Impey
2 Marshall
1 Steele/Wilkie

Ross
5 Marshall
4 Jai
3 Amon
2 Scrimshaw
1 Wilkie/Steele

 

[Bedi]

This game reminded me how much we miss Brad Hill. Hasn't slowed down one bit and would slot in beautifully to our side.

 

[BlueWaterHawk]

I have a new bugbear. Teammates running past a mark / free for the handball receive 1-1.5m away from the player with the ball. Give yourself some width FSS! let the handball float a touch and time to balance before the man on the mark pressures.

End rant.

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[HedgeFund]

Disagree. He may be less prominent in terms of disposals however, he is still still having the same amount of impact on games. It’s just a different type of impact.

It coincides with Newc getting more of the ball as well as Days return.

He’s just getting down and dirty getting the ball out to better users.

Would you prefer Worps or Newc getting 25+?

What you wrote is hardly in disagreement.

You’re simply saying his current impact isn’t about disposals, but getting the dirty ball out to better users…..which is exactly what I wrote.

 

[Freomaniac]

Congrats on the win.

Just a random question to the hawks fans. How is Lloyd Meek going?

I only saw the 2nd half of the hawks vs Saints game. He looked like a solid ruckman. Its a bit Ironic that He was on freos list from 2018-2022.

He was under Ross Lyon from 2018-9. Ross Lyon got sacked at the end of 2019. Lloyd meek liked a post on instagram When Ross Lyon was sacked too. lol

I am glad Justin Longmuir

Justin Longmuir

Age

43

Ht

196cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.0

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

0.6

3star

gave him games. 9 games in 2021 and 6 games in 2022. It was way overdue that he finally got a debut game in 2021. He was always unlucky as back in 2018-9, Sandilands and Sean Darcy

4

Sean Darcy

Age

25

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

were given the main ruck spot. I am still suprised he didnt get games in 2019 and 2020 as a 2nd ruck.

I would of given him a game in the final game of 2019 vs Port in Adelaide oval. Ironic as David Hale

David Hale

Age

40

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.4

3star

was the interim coach in that game.

He didnt get a debut game in 2020 because all the State leagues were shut down.

He was a slow developing player. But I knew he was gonna be at least half decent when he went to another club, back in his home state in Victoria.

Its like a Similar situation to Sam Jacobs

10

Sam Jacobs

Age

36

Ht

200cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.1

4star

CL

2.3

4star

HO

32.8

5star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.3

2star

HB

2.3

2star

CL

3.3

4star

HO

27.5

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.0

5star

. Played 17 games in 4 seasons form 2007-2010. goes to Crows in 2011 and spends his prime years at the Crows.

 

[stevehawkington]

Congrats on the win.

Just a random question to the hawks fans. How is Lloyd Meek going?

I only saw the 2nd half of the hawks vs Saints game. He looked like a solid ruckman. Its a bit Ironic that He was on freos list from 2018-2022.

He was under Ross Lyon from 2018-9. Ross Lyon got sacked at the end of 2019. Lloyd meek liked a post on instagram When Ross Lyon was sacked too. lol

I am glad Justin Longmuir gave him games. 9 games in 2021 and 6 games in 2022. It was way overdue that he finally got a debut game in 2021. He was always unlucky as back in 2018-9, Sandilands and Sean Darcy were given the main ruck spot. I am still suprised he didnt get games in 2019 and 2020 as a 2nd ruck.

I would of given him a game in the final game of 2019 vs Port in Adelaide oval. Ironic as David Hale was the interim coach in that game.

He didnt get a debut game in 2020 because all the State leagues were shut down.

He was a slow developing player. But I knew he was gonna be at least half decent when he went to another club, back in his home state in Victoria.

Its like a Similar situation to Sam Jacobs. Played 17 games in 4 seasons form 2007-2010. goes to Crows in 2011 and spends his prime years at the Crows.

He's our #1 ruck right now.

Omeara seems like a nice dude but he is playing well below his career averages stat wise

Meek on the otherhand is smokin his career averages

fair to say we won that trade but fremantles 2 games ahead of us. Looking forward to Meek Vs Darcy

 

[Freomaniac]

He's our #1 ruck right now.

Omeara seems like a nice dude but he is playing well below his career averages stat wise

Meek on the otherhand is smokin his career averages

fair to say we won that trade but fremantles 2 games ahead of us. Looking forward to Meek Vs Darcy

I dont even care if Hawks won the trade.

Jager O Meara is a solid mid. Bloke might play in finals for freo, he might not.

 

[Slainte]

I dont even care if Hawks won the trade.

Jager O Meara is a solid mid. Bloke might play in finals for freo, he might not.

The trade was a win for both clubs and for both players. Trade can be like that.

 

[Turly]

What you wrote is hardly in disagreement.

You’re simply saying his current impact isn’t about disposals, but getting the dirty ball out to better users…..which is exactly what I wrote.

I must have misread your post then, apologies if so.

I took it as though he was having less impact and that he was not as prominent as he was earlier in the season. This was the part I disagreed with.

 

[tl92]

The trade was a win for both clubs and for both players. Trade can be like that.

Was a bigger win for hawks with the context we also on traded the future second to gain the pick we used for Weddle - not that that is Freos loss

 

[DogDaySonny]

This game reminded me how much we miss Brad Hill. Hasn't slowed down one bit and would slot in beautifully to our side.

Every time I watch the Saints play, Hill stands out. He's got to be their most dynamic player, particularly on the attack. But he shows up defensively more often than I would expect.

 

[HawthornHawk]

Was a bigger win for hawks with the context we also on traded the future second to gain the pick we used for Weddle - not that that is Freos loss

We used that pick to help trade for Ginnivan, Pies used it to draft CJ's brother

 

[cryptor]

Every time I watch the Saints play, Hill stands out. He's got to be their most dynamic player, particularly on the attack. But he shows up defensively more often than I would expect.

He's put on size too since his Hawthorn days. Which means even though he's over 30 he could probably play on for quite a while yet if he starts dropping his weight back a bit like our premiership stars did once they hit 30+.

 

[tl92]

We used that pick to help trade for Ginnivan, Pies used it to draft CJ's brother

You’re right. Kane Cornes was wrong on footy classified last night then!

 

[stevehawkington]

He's put on size too since his Hawthorn days. Which means even though he's over 30 he could probably play on for quite a while yet if he starts dropping his weight back a bit like our premiership stars did once they hit 30+.

Battle from St Kilda was more impactful imo

 

[cryptor]

Battle from St Kilda was more impactful imo

Sure, but not at all relevant to what I said or what I was responding to lol

 

[stevehawkington]

Sure, but not at all relevant to what I said or what I was responding to lol

I think Battle stood out more than Hill