Ruckman Needed

[win1soon]

We need to do everything in our power in this years draft, or preseason draft to get a ruckman who is at least 203 +cm, i love how Simmonds goes about it, but hes to short. If we could get sum hitouts to advantage we could be very dangerous. Whats your thoughts?

 

[TimeFor11]

I think Natanui will elude us in the draft as he will go in the top 2 and i dont think there are any other standout ruckman in this years draft. We may have a go at getting Rob Warnock in the trade period but only for a 3rd round pick at most i hope but i would prefer using our 4th round pick as he is completely unproven.

The problem isn't so much the height as much as the weight. Patto is 198cm but if he is ever going to be a ruckman he needs to weigh somewhere around the 108kg instead of 98kg so i dont think Warnock is so much an answer as he is 94kg.

Brisbane clearly have surplus ruckman stocks so i would be very interested in trying to lure a Mitch Clark to the club not to sure what his contract status is but i would be so happy if we got him.

 

[peejay]

Haven't given up on angus Graham yet but yes another very tall player would be good.

What about Cartledge?

 

[_RT_]

Haven't given up on angus Graham yet but yes another very tall player would be good.

What about Cartledge?

Called for Cogs to go on the LTI if they really think this season is done for him and for the club to elevate Cartledge, with 12 weeks remaining on the season we could then see if Cartledge has what it takes to be a back up to Simmonds for now with a view to taking over the top spot once Simmo is gone. We could also start playing Patto up in the forward line as a tall option, which is what he was drafted as in the first place IIRC.

 

[Samuri Pizza Cat]

Called for Cogs to go on the LTI if they really think this season is done for him and for the club to elevate Cartledge, with 12 weeks remaining on the season we could then see if Cartledge has what it takes to be a back up to Simmonds for now with a view to taking over the top spot once Simmo is gone. We could also start playing Patto up in the forward line as a tall option, which is what he was drafted as in the first place IIRC.

I agree with this. We are in the process of trying too see who can play up forward for life after Richo and to give Patto a few weeks as the main man couldnt hurt that much i woukdnt have thought

 

[win1soon]

Haven't given up on angus Graham yet but yes another very tall player would be good.

What about Cartledge?

Hopefully he will come on in the next few years, but couldnt see him dominating unfortunately. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

 

[Punt Road Feral]

Trengrove maybe?

 

[villain]

lets have a good look at griffen this week, i think he goes ok at the crows, they have got a shi*tload of tall timber ,biglands will be back next year then u got maric & moran, we give them a 3rd pick and chuck in cleve hughes, we then will have a mobile ruckman for the next 10 years remember the big bloke dont mature till 25-26 worth a thought!!!!

 

[Tiger Battler]

Vickery from the sandy dragons might be able to become a solid ruckman. He played well for metro in the ruck and we may be able to get him with our second round pick.

 

[TimeFor11]

lets have a good look at griffen this week, i think he goes ok at the crows, they have got a shi*tload of tall timber ,biglands will be back next year then u got maric & moran, we give them a 3rd pick and chuck in cleve hughes, we then will have a mobile ruckman for the next 10 years remember the big bloke dont mature till 25-26 worth a thought!!!!

You would have to be joking. Griffen is ok and anyway they will keep him as Rhett wont be there my guess next year as he is Out of contract and will probs never play again poor bloke. Hughes is a KPP that is in his 3rd year and would demand a 3rd round pick without a doubt himself so think before you write. That would be a horrible trade as Griffen is no better than Patto thats for sure and this week Patto will towel him up i have no doubt. Patto is good against ruckman his size or smaller the issue is when they are massive.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I'm going to Fiji in 4 weeks. I'll bring home a couple of ruckman in my suitcase

 

[richoatthedisco]

We also need forwards, defenders and midfielders.

 

[villain]

You would have to be joking. Griffen is ok and anyway they will keep him as Rhett wont be there my guess next year as he is Out of contract and will probs never play again poor bloke. Hughes is a KPP that is in his 3rd year and would demand a 3rd round pick without a doubt himself so think before you write. That would be a horrible trade as Griffen is no better than Patto thats for sure and this week Patto will towel him up i have no doubt. Patto is good against ruckman his size or smaller the issue is when they are massive.

hope your right RFC still havnt seen patto towel any 1 up yet, what are we suppose to do draft another 198cm bean pole from the tac and keep our fingers crossed that hopefully he will be the next cox, we need big blokes in the engine room asap with a bit of experience feeding our on ballers, ive heard good things about max bailey?? even seaby from wc is worth chasing

 

[THE_GUN]

lets have a good look at griffen this week, i think he goes ok at the crows, they have got a shi*tload of tall timber ,biglands will be back next year then u got maric & moran, we give them a 3rd pick and chuck in cleve hughes, we then will have a mobile ruckman for the next 10 years remember the big bloke dont mature till 25-26 worth a thought!!!!

sorry newbie, i think you are totally of the mark here, there is no way you could trade a kpf with 3 years developement in him for a maybe ruckman which we already have plenty off, pattison,cartledge,graham.
griffen isnt any better than any of the above mentioned.

dont know about warnock, havnt seen him do anything special & cant seem to even get the first ruck possie for his wafl team on a regular basis.

i personally would prefer to play 2-3 versatile ruckman such as pattison
kosi & simmonds in the team with 1 playing chf ff 1 on the bench 1 in the ruck but they all mus be athletic running ruckman with big engines.

i personally think we already have these players on our list .
graham, putt ,pattison just need to wait untill they are fully developed
with 50-100 games up. in saying this it doesnt mean that we shouldnt draft another ruckman.

i would personally like to see another 2 ruckman added to our list.
1 in the nab draft another perhaps warnock traded for but not at a cost of 1st or 2nd round picks prefer player for player
hyde,pettifer,bowden,polo,tivendale(doubt he would be worth anything)

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Didn't we draft Putt as a Ruckman?

 

[Warwick]

Brisbane clearly have surplus ruckman stocks so i would be very interested in trying to lure a Mitch Clark to the club not to sure what his contract status is but i would be so happy if we got him.

Clearly have surplus ruckmen?

We have 2 on our list + Mitch Clark.

Who else is there?

 

[TimeFor11]

Well you have a surplus of quality ruckman in Charman, Leuenberger, Clark and then mcDonald retired which i forgot about.

You also have Joel Tippet who is a young developing ruck. Most teams try and have 1 good ruck and then another who can pinch hit well.

 

[bomba4eva]

Would anyone be interested in Laycock? 201 cm. 23 years of age.

 

[San Miguel]

You would have to be joking. Griffen is ok and anyway they will keep him as Rhett wont be there my guess next year as he is Out of contract and will probs never play again poor bloke. Hughes is a KPP that is in his 3rd year and would demand a 3rd round pick without a doubt himself so think before you write. That would be a horrible trade as Griffen is no better than Patto thats for sure and this week Patto will towel him up i have no doubt. Patto is good against ruckman his size or smaller the issue is when they are massive.

You're the one kidding. Pattison wouldn't be worth Griffen's bootlace. Griffen's 22, he's 202cm tall, very athletic and has a load of potential. Do you even watch football?!

 

[Bojangles17]

We need to do everything in our power in this years draft, or preseason draft to get a ruckman who is at least 203 +cm, i love how Simmonds goes about it, but hes to short. If we could get sum hitouts to advantage we could be very dangerous. Whats your thoughts?

agreed, simmo will expire shortly and Patto has stopped improving, Id like to give cartledge a go in place of Gus who has wasted his chance and lock onto this great white hope in warnock

 

[Rayzorwire]

Simmonds is useless in the wet - in the ruck or around the ground. He's a dry tracker who can't use his leap to remain competitive on soft ground.

I still maintain that ruckman are overrated commodities, but no doubt Ball hurt us on the weekend, and Everitt to a lesser extent. In the dry it would have been much less lopsided.

I'd be enormously surprised if Cartledge ever became more than a Rix standard ruckman at AFL level - very good at VFL level, but not up to the higher standard. Having said that, it's worth keeping him around for depth and on the slim chance that by the time he fully matures he can step up to AFL.

Graham has improved a lot in a short period of time. Interesting to note that Rawlings has suggested he's doing better around the ground than in the centre - the opposite to last year, and perhaps a sign that he's working heavily on his mobility.

Putt may be more a forward than a ruckman, and either way will take time before he's ready.

If worst comes to worst we'll trade for a mature ruckman - we'll have the cash once a few retire.

Far more worrying from the Sydney game was the transition out of defense. It's an area we've done a lot to get right, yet it was abysmal on the weekend. Hopefully we can move on from that and perform much better in that area on a (hopefully) drier surface next week.

It's ironic that once upon a time we prayed for rain before a match because it brought the faster sides back to the pace we were capable of, but now we're a pretty fast side and rain takes away all the advantage that gives us in the dry.

 

[TimeFor11]

Simmonds is useless in the wet - in the ruck or around the ground. He's a dry tracker who can't use his leap to remain competitive on soft ground.

I still maintain that ruckman are overrated commodities, but no doubt Ball hurt us on the weekend, and Everitt to a lesser extent. In the dry it would have been much less lopsided.

I'd be enormously surprised if Cartledge ever became more than a Rix standard ruckman at AFL level - very good at VFL level, but not up to the higher standard. Having said that, it's worth keeping him around for depth and on the slim chance that by the time he fully matures he can step up to AFL.

Graham has improved a lot in a short period of time. Interesting to note that Rawlings has suggested he's doing better around the ground than in the centre - the opposite to last year, and perhaps a sign that he's working heavily on his mobility.

Putt may be more a forward than a ruckman, and either way will take time before he's ready.

If worst comes to worst we'll trade for a mature ruckman - we'll have the cash once a few retire.

Far more worrying from the Sydney game was the transition out of defense. It's an area we've done a lot to get right, yet it was abysmal on the weekend. Hopefully we can move on from that and perform much better in that area on a (hopefully) drier surface next week.

It's ironic that once upon a time we prayed for rain before a match because it brought the faster sides back to the pace we were capable of, but now we're a pretty fast side and rain takes away all the advantage that gives us in the dry.

ROFL at Jason Ball getting a game still, it was a jolly good one at that

And to the Adelaide person just you wait after this w/e when Griffen gives away countless frees again so on. Maric for you is way better.

 

[Mr T]

i would like to see graham play, but the selection people seem to be to scared to bring in new players.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

We need to do everything in our power in this years draft, or preseason draft to get a ruckman who is at least 203 +cm, i love how Simmonds goes about it, but hes to short. If we could get sum hitouts to advantage we could be very dangerous. Whats your thoughts?

My thoughts?

It won't make much difference at all I'm afraid to say. It's a nice thought - bring in a great tap ruckman and we'll dominate the clearances......................... but that is simply not true. A good tap ruckman wins 30 hitouts a game or so yeah?


That means we will get 3 more possessions. That's it, THREE!



They are the facts - ruckmen like Simmo are perfect, they provide great value around the ground and kick goals at the expense of allowing the opposition to get an extra 3 possessions.




Therefore we should continue bringing in quality young kids with early picks and draft a couple of athletic, around-the-ground type ruckmen with later/rookie picks so we don't over-pay for these overrated, lumbering, risky lumps.


Trent Knobel was the worst footballer I've ever seen.

18 month ago he had one kick while playing 1st ruck for the entire match... and fans praised him!!

Ruckman are badly over-valued.

Didn't we draft Putt as a Ruckman?

Power forward who can ruck in the forward line.

 

[RichosGuns]

Best case scenario is that we keep Simmo for 2 more years and in this we trade for a solid 200cm+ ruckman who is competitive around the ground. We then have Putt who can play 30% up foward, %30 in the ruck and %40 bench.

However, where is this ruckman going to come from?

In reality, our midfield and defensive core with be ready in about 2-3 years. In this time Foley will be 25, Tambling, Deledio 24, Cotchin 21, Thursty 25, Schultz, 26, Rance 21, McGuane 24, Moore 27, Newman 29. However, we will have no quality ruckman. Simmo will have retired, Patto looks to have stalled, while Angus Graham just won't make it imo(prove me wrong). Cartlege is the great unknown, however I doubt he would be the answer

Our foward line probably won't be ready in this time either which is a concer. Richo and Browny will either close to retirement or retired, Pettifer will probably be gone. Meaning Hughes, Riewoldt, Morton, Schultz and hopefully Gourdis and Putt can step up