News Rule Changes/adjustments

[legendstatus]

Great change finally! This went a long way to Lewis ever being relevant- Melb shitting break with that trade now

Slow, no penetration & no trick to his game!


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[Apex36]

Great change finally! This went a long way to Lewis ever being relevant- Melb shitting break with that trade now

Slow, no penetration & no trick to his game!


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Fairly sure they didn't recruit Lewis to be 3rd man up to the most dominant ruckman in the comp.

 

[frizzle]

Fairly sure they didn't recruit Lewis to be 3rd man up to the most dominant ruckman in the comp.

Yep. To most of us that was obvious.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I can kinda understand the logic behind the third-man rule. However, I feel it's taken a "tactical" approach out of ruck duels. What I mean is Port wouldn't have done what they did with Jackson trengrove all year. He got a lot of help around the ground.

Also, I feel it's gonna seriously effect games where the ruckman goes down. For argument sake, we play Fremantle and lose Grundy for the game( touch wood, pls) and White is forced to RUCK with absolutely no help for the whole game against Sands. We(anyone) would be screwed. Assuming Cox isn't playing.

Then you take into consideration what happened with Lewis, Mitchell and Rioli in that famous game against the swans this year. That Tap was special.

I understand the rule. Let the ruckmen fight it out by themselves. However, it's taken a potential tactic/strategy out of the game.

 

[Matt_352]

Can Rule out McCarthy playing in the Ruck as the 3rd Man up would be Perfect for him

See him as a forward anyway

 

[PicaBoo]

There is a difference between having rules and applying them. And for Hawthorn, different rules apply.

 

[Horaceg]

Duckers should be fair game imho
Not convinced on third man up, it takes away a part of the game but protects another so I'm 50-50
On the deliberate rushed behinds, where is contravenes the rules allow teams to do it but make the penalty more than 1 point and trial it in NAB first. Not saying it will be better but it may have the desired effect.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Seriously, I'd love to know the stats on teams who put through the most rushed behinds and have the most rushed behinds against them, because I'd be f**king staggered if we're not bottom for one and top 2 for the other

This stricter interpretation will benefit us GREATLY.

I mean, the stricter deliberate out of bounds won us a game in Round 2. I could see this rule even winning us an extra game or two.

 

[Scodog10]

Seriously, I'd love to know the stats on teams who put through the most rushed behinds and have the most rushed behinds against them, because I'd be f**king staggered if we're not bottom for one and top 2 for the other

This stricter interpretation will benefit us GREATLY.

I mean, the stricter deliberate out of bounds won us a game in Round 2. I could see this rule even winning us an extra game or two.

The third ruck against us was more a reflection of the brains trust at Collingwood than other teams.

Clubs knew we had developing ruckmen so it was a way to ram home their advantage. We should have put more work into using it and nullifying it over the years. Overall I'm just glad its been sorted out.

 

[cleomenes]

I think I am in favour of the ruck change, but I'm not certain it will help anything. Originally, there were two ruckmen at every contest, one of whom morphed into the ruck rover over time, so third man up was in the original game setup. At least the AFL is no longer trying to eliminate specialist rucks.
Duckers and knee droppers are a blight and this is a good change. Be aware that there will be mistakes as umpires misjudge this, and our own captain may have to revise his techniques.
The punch to the stomach change is good.
The rushed behind change I'm not happy about. It was always a defensive option for players to reset play when the pressure got too great in defence. Sometimes teams lost games by the point they allowed to be rushed. The only change necessary was to restore the balance after Hawthorn's exploitation of the rule to walk through behinds at the kickout to gain extra time to find a target. The previous change stopped this, and was all that was necessary.
Shepherding in marking conteast has not been addressed.
Shepherding of the mark has not been addressed.
The congestion in the area where the ball is has not been addressed. This is where the laws of teh game need close and perhaps radical attention.

 

[Unknown Identity]

3rd man up only became an issue because it was being overused by particular teams.

May as well not have Ruckman playing and put another midfielder on the ground.

I'm all for the change.

 

[Apex36]

I think I am in favour of the ruck change, but I'm not certain it will help anything. Originally, there were two ruckmen at every contest, one of whom morphed into the ruck rover over time, so third man up was in the original game setup. At least the AFL is no longer trying to eliminate specialist rucks.
Duckers and knee droppers are a blight and this is a good change. Be aware that there will be mistakes as umpires misjudge this, and our own captain may have to revise his techniques.
The punch to the stomach change is good.
The rushed behind change I'm not happy about. It was always a defensive option for players to reset play when the pressure got too great in defence. Sometimes teams lost games by the point they allowed to be rushed. The only change necessary was to restore the balance after Hawthorn's exploitation of the rule to walk through behinds at the kickout to gain extra time to find a target. The previous change stopped this, and was all that was necessary.
Shepherding in marking conteast has not been addressed.
Shepherding of the mark has not been addressed.
The congestion in the area where the ball is has not been addressed. This is where the laws of teh game need close and perhaps radical attention.

You can still rush abehind under pressure. It's just that players were starting to do it under very little pressure again, so a stricter interpretation was needed.

 

[Mongo Ming]

Any rule change that screws over the Cats gets my vote.

 

[DaVe86]

Love the rule change to scrap 3rd man up, and I also like the tightening of the deliberate rushed behind rule.

I've been banging on for a long time that the 3rd man up should go.

For numerous reasons:

1. It's dangerous. A ruckman doesn't know which angle another player is going to come from and dig his knees into his ribs.

2. That third man basically has a free run at it. He is not allowed to be blocked or impeded.

3. It protects the art of ruckwork. Too many teams now are going in with undersized rucks and just using 3rd men up to nullify the opposition ruckman. The Doggies didn't even have a ruckman for the premiership. IF a side has a dominant ruckman, they should enjoy this advantage.

4. A ruckman should know who his opponent is. Sides are sending multiple rucks to the one contest (ie Geelong with Blicavs) and the opposition ruck doesn't even know who his direct opponent is. This has changes somewhat with the introduction of rucks having to nominate. However, it is not overly policed, and becomes a free for all.

I love it.

 

[TradeDraft]

I find it interesting that the AFL brought the third man up rule in party to protect the role of ruckman in our game. While I can see it protecting the primary ruckman I think it's another nail in the coffin of playing 2 rucks, which in turn makes it even more important to have a dominant number one ruck. I think we're better placed than a lot of sides in that regard.

Cats and Hawks are Stuffed Then

 

[TradeDraft]

See him as a forward anyway

I saw McCarthy as someone who could play the Role that Leigh Brown played

 

[mike123]

Shit rule changes that will increase congestion

 

[Obese Arachnid]

The rushed behind change I'm not happy about. It was always a defensive option for players to reset play when the pressure got too great in defence. Sometimes teams lost games by the point they allowed to be rushed. The only change necessary was to restore the balance after Hawthorn's exploitation of the rule to walk through behinds at the kickout to gain extra time to find a target. The previous change stopped this, and was all that was necessary.

Agree totally with this point.

 

[morelli89]

I find it interesting that the AFL brought the third man up rule in party to protect the role of ruckman in our game. While I can see it protecting the primary ruckman I think it's another nail in the coffin of playing 2 rucks, which in turn makes it even more important to have a dominant number one ruck. I think we're better placed than a lot of sides in that regard.

Why is it a negative to playing 2 ruckmen? I think it will mean teams will want a better 2nd ruckman because they can't blanket the oppositions no.1 around the ground.

 

[barrackers]

Why is it a negative to playing 2 ruckmen? I think it will mean teams will want a better 2nd ruckman because they can't blanket the oppositions no.1 around the ground.

Pretty obvious I would have thought. It's rare that rucks have multiple strings to their game to a high level and with increasingly limited rotations teams can't carry too many one dimensional players. Sides with 2 rucks often send both to the contest with one going third man up often unopposed; this new rule takes away that ability which is a huge part of a second rucks game.

 

[jackcass]

As the team that rushes behinds the least, I hope the new interpretation is strict as F**K.

Which would no doubt lead to multiple Monday or Tuesday announcements from the AFL that "the umpires got that decision wrong, (insert either) it should have been a free kick to Collingwood OR it should not have been a free kick against Collingwood"

 

[jackcass]

Agree totally with this point.

pun intended

 

[jackcass]

I like the new interpretations.

 

[Stoods]

See him as a forward anyway

Right

 

[Kappa]

Normally I'd agree, but the no 3rd man up rule is excellent. It's something that had been killing traditional ruck duels, and significantly weakens teams like Geelong who rely heavily on a guy like Blicavs to go consistently as a 3rd man up in their contests.

Geelong and Hawthorn are the big losers from these rule changes.

It's nice to have a rule change that actually benefits us.