Sack Wallace!

[metallichris]

It should look ugly for no more than two years...

You're ugly.

 

[76 Gamer]

Just wait and see how the whole year pans out before making ludicrous comments.

76 Gamer, you raise plenty of "problems" with TW, but not to forthcoming with solutions.

OK then TT, we wait.

Personally I think we're good enough to scape into the finals. I don't think we'll have any bearing on the finals, but right now we're good enough to get there.

So if we were to finish 11th or lower, would you still believe in Wallace's five year plan?

 

[76 Gamer]

76, it is attitudes like yours that saw us sack Walls and Geischen, undermine Northey and renege on KB (as well as many before that).

FFS You are setting unrealistic goals knowing that he wont meet them, just so that you can say TW isn't a good coach. Get 'less ugly' every week? I find it hard to believe that an ex-VFL/AFL player could say that.

Did the Tigers get less ugly every week when you were playing? Better yet - has any club *ever* gotten less ugly every week? Should Essendon have sacked Sheedy when they lost to the Bulldogs in 2000?

I really do hope that you have no hands on role at the club.

There's the difference, TD. I reckon we're not too bad and capable of winning half our games and you reckon we're hopeless.

Our off-field management during the mid to late 80s and the 90s was the epitome of incompetence. I'm certainly not recommending a return to those days - that was awful.

Coaches need to be managed properly. They need to be given room, they need the power to make decisions but they also must be 100% accountable and that has to be communicated to them brutal honesty.

 

[76 Gamer]

and as for you, Oxx, if you're so bored what are you doing here?

 

[cub]

At least there's one bloke here with the mental capacity of argument! Much better than the rest of you neanderthal ratbags. Well done! Here are my responses to your comments.

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So WHY do you bother to keep going on and on ?

And as for you trying to be logical in your responses it is all a bit premature at this stage DONT YOU THINK, what do you think you are achieving ?

You can keep going and valid points can be made both ways, but ATM don't you think it better to just STFU.

Save it for later, sit back relax and watch Wallace and the Tigers make a fool of you. If we are not starting to bang on the door of finals next year pretty loudly then come back and see me.

 

[Terry Tan]

OK then TT, we wait.

Personally I think we're good enough to scape into the finals. I don't think we'll have any bearing on the finals, but right now we're good enough to get there.

So if we were to finish 11th or lower, would you still believe in Wallace's five year plan?

OK, but if we were to sack Wallace like you suggest, who would we get to replace him???? Give me some names.

 

[froars]

76 Gamer is crapping on just about hypotheticals rather than reality. And the reality is we've only played a couple of games into a new season. What a -wit he is.

 

[0-xXx-0]

He's had one full year and I think we've seen enough of his second year to know that TW is just not in the supercoach class. It's obvious that he doesn't understand the game, why waste time with him? He's had his chance, get rid of him!

u r a fricken tosser

 

[RHAS]

Just my thoughts:

1. He is on a five year contract and we should stick it out.
Stick it out regardless of performance? Like we did with Frawley? Yeah right.

So 76er you are only measuring performance on number of games won? And if we don’t win 10 games this year then TW is hopeless and should be sacked.

I don’t agree. Performance can be measured in many different ways. Raines has now fitted into the side. Tambling is improving. B2 is looking like a permanent senior player. Cleve is into the side. Polo Meyer and the others are improving.

Frawley rode out his contract on the back of the 2001 finals appearance. What became clear was that the side wasn’t developing

2. We are rebuilding, which means we are going to look ugly for a while.
Coaches hide behind this rubbish all the time, especially those on long term deals. It should look ugly for no more than two years, and it should get less ugly each week.

So what you are saying here is that TW is safe in your eyes for the rest of this year and from next the pressure is on? No arguments on this one.

3. I'm sick of us making knee-jerk reactions with our coaches. Time for solidarity please.I'm sick of not caring about the footy every September because we're not involved.

I am with you on this one.

4. He has had sucess. We beat the premier and took the GF loser to two points last year, so hey.
TW did a pretty good job last year, although we should have played finals - our pathetic efforts in the final rounds, especially the loss to Carlton, meant that, ultimately, we underachieved. But, we did get nine wins last year as opposed to four wins in 2004. If that improvement is not continued, it should be bye bye Terry.

Plenty of teams are going to lose to the Bulldogs, Saints and West Coast. Again your only measurement of performance is number of games won. If that is the casethen it is your opinion. Most on this board have other performance indicators.

5. We haven't lost to anyone that we expected to beat.
Excuse me, but have you lost your mind? Does the 110 point thrashing by Footscray ring a bell?

I didn’t have the Bulldogs game marked as a sure win. Obviously in your mind we were odds on favourites to win. If so then maybe I would suggest you have lost your mind.

6. Do you really think it is a good idea to terminate a contract 26 games into a five year contract?
Not plan A certainly, but better than languishing on the bottom for longer than we have to.

Your point here again stems from your limited performance benchmarks. But I do agree that we should be open to terminating a contract if that person is not performing. You are very quick to slash and burn. Are you employed by one of the major Banks as a downsizing expert?

7. The team doesn't mind him, helps team unity to have one coach for once.
Are you referring to the players? TW is not as popular as you think - that's a fact.

TW isn’t popular with the players? You beauty. I couldn’t be happier with that statement. TW is obviously telling them the real facts. Pointing out their weaknesses. Good more power to him.

I take this as a good sign TW is performing.

8. If we keep changing our coaches, no coach will want to coach us. Anyway, do you have any plausable thoughts on any real replacment?
And if we keep accepting our losing culture, no players will want to play with us. There are excellent coaches out there - not necessarily current AFL head coaches either.

You haven’t answered the question. Who are the excellent coaches out there who would want to coach Richmond after we, as you are advocating, sack Wallace less than two years into his five year contract.

9. Winning against Brisbane after making one of the longest trips in footy shows skill.
Absolutely. Take out Gaspar and Hall and add in Brown and we've got a decent list - not fantastic but decent. We should expect to be better than 1-3 with a percentage of 66%. We underperformed against the Dogs and against Coast and the Saints game was there to be won. When you've got a decent list and it underperforms, you can only look at the coach.

I agree we should have a better percentage and we are developing a decent list.

 

[blaisee]

I really cannot believe that there are 13 pages of responses to such an obvious troll.

This girl has " my two dogs, three cats and 3 pigeons and I are hawthorn members" written all over him.

Please ignore her, and she will go away

 

[Richo83]

76 Gamer, thank you for the complement.

Wallace has had much better sucess than Frawley. Plus, signs of things that needed to be done (Such as geting rid of scrubbers) are happening.

As said before, it has only been about 14 months. A coach needs time, look at Clarkson, who with the support of the board has made inprovement.

Alot of sides are in our position as well, such as Hawthorn and Carlton who in recent seasons haven't touched September. However we have to be realistic and work to a goal: Finals in 2007 and flag in 2009.

We will be inconsistent and lose games here and there. Realise it is a process. Everything in AFL has steps to it, like rebuilding or giving the wrong team points.

I didn't think we would beat Western Bulldogs. If you thought we would then good luck to you but you were delusional.

How do you know we will languish at the bottom of the ladder? DO you have some sort of crystal ball?

According to you, Wallace is no the most popular man, well that is speculative. For instance he likes Brown and Bowden Jnr. Bowden Snr. and Richo get along well with him too I heard. Can't tell for others but no-one knows.

Losing culture and a revolving door of coaches go hand in hand.

When a team underpeforms, there is more than the coach to look at, what about the players ya nong. Seriously, not all of blame should go to the coach. Players need to accept responsibility.

 

[IDGAF]

7
Wallace has had much better sucess than Frawley.

Sorry Richo ... i`m all for Wallace ... 100% .. but that aint true.

As much as i don`t agree with the Way 76er has gone about it ... the fact is ... and this is undeniable , Spud did get us too a preliminary final in his second year , that is fact.

So to say Wallace has had better success than Frawley is just not true.

Having said that .... I am more than just a little bit confident that TW is building a much a much stronger platform for sustained success than Spud ever did .

 

[The Dice Man]

I am genuinely suprised, and quite disappointed that this thread has gone on as long as it has.

Read between the lines and this guy contradicts himnself at almost every turn...


Please stop encouraging it.

 

[IDGAF]

I am genuinely suprised, and quite disappointed that this thread has gone on as long as it has.

Read between the lines and this guy contradicts himnself at almost every turn...


Please stop encouraging it.

Come on DM ... it`s just sport

 

[Richo83]

Sorry Richo ... i`m all for Wallace ... 100% .. but that aint true.

As much as i don`t agree with the Way 76er has gone about it ... the fact is ... and this is undeniable , Spud did get us too a preliminary final in his second year , that is fact.

So to say Wallace has had better success than Frawley is just not true.

Having said that .... I am more than just a little bit confident that TW is building a much a much stronger platform for sustained success than Spud ever did .

Wallace has gone to two pelimery finals and has never coached a spoon side. There is two things Frawley can't say.

Okay, Richmond only. Wallace has won 12 and lost 15 at a rate of 44.44%

Frawley 45 wins and 68 losses. That is a rate of 39.82%. 44.44% > 39.82%

Simply put, Wallace's record is alot better. Sure Wallace has not taken Richmond to the finals but it will happen in the next two years. We need to analyse Wallace over the five years given to tell, however history says he is alot better. (Which doesn't say much.)

 

[The Dice Man]

Come on DM ... it`s just sport

Hahaha, that's bull and you know it. Richmond is a hell of a lot more than sport.


Well at least it used to be... Not sure if its just me getting older or the changing of the game to complete corportisation, but.. yeah.. I dunno

 

[IDGAF]

Hahaha, that's bull and you know it. Richmond is a hell of a lot more than sport.

Touche` my friend

Kallinichta

 

[roostertalk]

Can we all make an agreement to Fu*k this post off. way too many threads its an embarrassment to our forum.

 

[76 Gamer]

I too am very surprised that my post carried on for so long - TW is obviously a contentious topic.

Truth be known, with us at 2-3 record as opposed to 0-3, I'm not as angry as I was when I made the orginal 'Sack Wallace!' post. Whilst our skill level is dreadfull (which is, at least in part, Wallace's fault), we were hard at it in Brisbane and on Friday night which was good to see, as was the improvement and development of a few of our junior players. Most of the time there was cohesion out on the ground which suggests that the players understand the game plan. So I don't think we should sack Wallace - not this week anyway.

However, as I have said all along, if Wallace does not deliver continual improvement, if things stop heading in the right direction, his future with the club should be discussed.

In other words, TW must remain accountable.

 

[Richo83]

I too am very surprised that my post carried on for so long - TW is obviously a contentious topic.

Truth be known, with us at 2-3 record as opposed to 0-3, I'm not as angry as I was when I made the orginal 'Sack Wallace!' post. Whilst our skill level is dreadfull (which is, at least in part, Wallace's fault), we were hard at it in Brisbane and on Friday night which was good to see, as was the improvement and development of a few of our junior players. Most of the time there was cohesion out on the ground which suggests that the players understand the game plan. So I don't think we should sack Wallace - not this week anyway.

However, as I have said all along, if Wallace does not deliver continual improvement, if things stop heading in the right direction, his future with the club should be discussed.

In other words, TW must remain accountable.

Totally agree. Yet we can't say: "Richmond have lost 3-4 games in a row. Wallace needs to go." Where is the coach safety that has been absent from Richmond for twenty years? The reason why we always struggle is because we syart losing and we chop the coache's head off. Rationality is needed please.

Good to see you see a light at the end of the tunnel with our young kids. Raines is a pretty good player.

 

[tomthetiger]

With Frawley being the exception.

 

[Terry Tan]

I too am very surprised that my post carried on for so long - TW is obviously a contentious topic.

Truth be known, with us at 2-3 record as opposed to 0-3, I'm not as angry as I was when I made the orginal 'Sack Wallace!' post. Whilst our skill level is dreadfull (which is, at least in part, Wallace's fault), we were hard at it in Brisbane and on Friday night which was good to see, as was the improvement and development of a few of our junior players. Most of the time there was cohesion out on the ground which suggests that the players understand the game plan. So I don't think we should sack Wallace - not this week anyway.

However, as I have said all along, if Wallace does not deliver continual improvement, if things stop heading in the right direction, his future with the club should be discussed.

In other words, TW must remain accountable.

who do you think you are? A poor mans GR!

 

[froars]

I too am very surprised that my post carried on for so long - TW is obviously a contentious topic.

Truth be known, with us at 2-3 record as opposed to 0-3, I'm not as angry as I was when I made the orginal 'Sack Wallace!' post. Whilst our skill level is dreadfull (which is, at least in part, Wallace's fault), we were hard at it in Brisbane and on Friday night which was good to see, as was the improvement and development of a few of our junior players. Most of the time there was cohesion out on the ground which suggests that the players understand the game plan. So I don't think we should sack Wallace - not this week anyway.

However, as I have said all along, if Wallace does not deliver continual improvement, if things stop heading in the right direction, his future with the club should be discussed.

In other words, TW must remain accountable.

Your back must be right against the wall now, retreating like the coward you are. Big of you to give Wallace another week LMAO

 

[IDGAF]

I too am very surprised that my post carried on for so long - TW is obviously a contentious topic.

Truth be known, with us at 2-3 record as opposed to 0-3, I'm not as angry as I was when I made the orginal 'Sack Wallace!' post. Whilst our skill level is dreadfull (which is, at least in part, Wallace's fault), we were hard at it in Brisbane and on Friday night which was good to see, as was the improvement and development of a few of our junior players. Most of the time there was cohesion out on the ground which suggests that the players understand the game plan. So I don't think we should sack Wallace - not this week anyway.

However, as I have said all along, if Wallace does not deliver continual improvement, if things stop heading in the right direction, his future with the club should be discussed.

In other words, TW must remain accountable.

Premierships are won by a group of people pulling together in one direction

Get on board or PIERCE Off

 

[froars]

Premierships are won by a group of people pulling together in one direction

Get on board or PIERCE Off

Brilliant
And more important for us especially given the way we've been such a divided, backstabbing, weak minded and a reactionary rabble.
We won't tolerate ppl like Tiger76 any more
God, i'm pumped