Sandilands can accept 1 match ban -- NAB Challenge

[Angus Young]

Geez Tiger supporters are like a bunch of old women.

The irony is they would be sooking if it was their ruckman that was being rubbed out for round one for having a ruck contest with a midget who came off second best.

 

[Angus Young]

Don't think this is the worst decision in the history of the MRP. But it always seems completly random which incidents they actually access (not this round alone, but I almost always can think of worse thing staying unpenalised and lesser thing being punished even harder). They should really accept that thing like this happen in contests and sometimes (probably even more often then the AFL is willing to admit) are deliberate. Leave bans to real vicious, obvious fights. When you don't want to get hurt there are enough other career options.

it's up there

 

[telsor]

Its accidental and high and what you say is true as it applies to making high contact in general play when a player chooses to bump/block, but in ruck contests engaging the body is expected. Contact is expected. Griffiths intention is also to make contact with Sandilands.

Sandilands is just using his body to maintain his position to stop himself from being jumped over or pushed aside and here he is being double teamed.

The reality is Griffiths is at best a part time ruckman and shows little awareness. Any half decent ruckman would be aware that contact would be expected.

Its the nature of ruckwork and is quite different from lining a player up in general play.

So Griffiths was intending to make contact with Sandilands, even though he lacked enough awareness to expect contact, and Sandilands only made accidental contact with Griffiths even though he was watching him as he approached and dropped his shoulder into him (and presumably, as a 'half decent' ruckman, was aware enough to know where contact was going to happen).

Well done on being able to contradict yourself so completely. Quality effort.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

So Griffiths was intending to make contact with Sandilands, even though he lacked enough awareness to expect contact, and Sandilands only made accidental contact with Griffiths even though he was watching him as he approached and dropped his shoulder into him (and presumably, as a 'half decent' ruckman, was aware enough to know where contact was going to happen).

Well done on being able to contradict yourself so completely. Quality effort.

dont forget Freo also had a 3rd man up, who came from the other side of Soldo so the whole 3rd man argument melting is also contradictory

 

[telsor]

Geez Tiger supporters actually understand the rules.

EFA

 

[telsor]

dont forget Freo also had a 3rd man up, who came from the other side of Soldo so the whole 3rd man argument melting is also contradictory

What, you mean who actually got the knockout?

I wonder how they'd feel if Soldo had lined him up and concussed him with a shoulder to the head.

 

[Purple Suit]

For those who think Sandi was hard done by, watch this from last year ( the Maric one, not the Cotchin one..sorry, couldn't find them seperate).

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-07-06/maric-offered-one-week-suspension

Maric jumps off the ground and elbow's the 3rd man up in the head. A far bit different from Sandi who took two steps to block the incoming 3rd man up. The height difference, Griffith's run and complete lack of awareness of where Sandi was standing are just as big factors that he hit his head. Sandi is just protecting the drop of the ball, something a ruck man should be entitled to do and they do it regularly against the other ruck.

 

[telsor]

The irony is they would be sooking if it was their ruckman that was being rubbed out for round one for having a ruck contest with a midget who came off second best.

You mean like when it happened to Maric last year (I put the link up earlier) and copped a week, even though he wasn't watching the guy come in, didn't cause a concussion and really was in every way less than this incident?

Yeah, you should check the thread about it...Oh wait, there isn't one.

 

[telsor]

Maric jumps off the ground and elbow's the 3rd man up in the head. A far bit different from Sandi who took two steps to block the incoming 3rd man up. The height difference, Griffith's run and complete lack of awareness of where Sandi was standing are just as big factors that he hit his head. Sandi is just protecting the drop of the ball, something a ruck man should be entitled to do and they do it regularly against the other ruck.

So you didn't notice how Maric wasn't watching the guy coming in, didn't move towards him at all (he put the elbow up ad Steele ran into it) and the victim wasn't concussed?

Also, Maric has an even bigger height difference over Jack Steele (which isn't a factor anyway as the onus is on the player to ensure he doesn't contact the head, whatever his height).

 

[telsor]

Maric jumps off the ground and elbow's the 3rd man up in the head. A far bit different from Sandi who took two steps to block the incoming 3rd man up. The height difference, Griffith's run and complete lack of awareness of where Sandi was standing are just as big factors that he hit his head. Sandi is just protecting the drop of the ball, something a ruck man should be entitled to do and they do it regularly against the other ruck.

Try and open the other eye.

 

[stax on the mull]

So Griffiths was intending to make contact with Sandilands, even though he lacked enough awareness to expect contact, and Sandilands only made accidental contact with Griffiths even though he was watching him as he approached and dropped his shoulder into him (and presumably, as a 'half decent' ruckman, was aware enough to know where contact was going to happen).

Well done on being able to contradict yourself so completely. Quality effort.

Its quite simple. He doesn't have front position in the ruck contest so can't get to the ball unless he makes contact with Sandilands.

 

[Whatname]

Try and open the other eye.

Considering some of the crap on your board's match day thread, I would be careful throwing that comment around.

 

[telsor]

Its quite simple. He doesn't have front position in the ruck contest so can't get to the ball unless he makes contact with Sandilands.

So how was he unaware there would be contact?

And how did Sandilands 'accidentally' make contact?

 

[telsor]

Considering some of the crap on your board's match day thread, I would be careful throwing that comment around.

Are you sure you're not confusing it with the banter thread?

BTW...Check the sookfest that is the Freo board Sandilands report thread before you start.

 

[Kram]

Anyone would think that Freo were playing these fairies again in round 1.

 

[telsor]

Anyone would think that Freo were playing these fairies again in round 1.

Nah, we've got tougher competition.

 

[Frank J Moose]

So you didn't notice how Maric wasn't watching the guy coming in, didn't move towards him at all (he put the elbow up ad Steele ran into it) and the victim wasn't concussed?

Also, Maric has an even bigger height difference over Jack Steele (which isn't a factor anyway as the onus is on the player to ensure he doesn't contact the head, whatever his height).

I thought free kick to Steele as Maric caught him high with his arm while going for a ruck knock. Accidental hits are still frees. Different as Maric hits the arm. He's trying to block the space that Williams wants but doesn't get his body there and throws the arm out to block. Free kick. Had he got his body in the way it should be OK.

But a week suspension? That was a woeful decision in the MRP lotto.

The MRP here are giving ruckmen no chance to stop the third men up. They are forcing the ruckmen, as they will hit players high as they are bigger, to give third men up a free run at the hit out.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

The MRP here are giving ruckmen no chance to stop the third men up. They are forcing the ruckmen, as they will hit players high as they are bigger, to give third men up a free run at the hit out.

they dont have the right to stop the third man up though, it isn't against the rules (not saying I like it) to do it. The stopping of the third man is for the player's (third man) direct opponent

 

[Lsta062]

Am I seriously watching the same footage as some people in this thread? Ivan Soldo barely touched Sandilands so did not "push him" into Griffiths. And what could he have done differently? I have a suggestion. Go for the ball and do the rucking perhaps given that it is a ruck contest? Pretty much, if a player elects to go for the man and bump him in that fashion rather than go for the ball and it results in a concussion to the bumped player, it is likely to be a suspension in the regular season. Therefore, it is not a shock to see him getting suspended.

However, I do prefer two ruckmen duelling it out without a third man to be honest. Makes things easier for the ruckmen. I don't know why the ruckmen are not allowed to stop them. That doesn't mean that the ruckmen should concuss the third man in the process of stopping them though.

 

[stax on the mull]

So how was he unaware there would be contact?

And how did Sandilands 'accidentally' make contact?

In this incident Griffiths just continues on his path like he's expecting Sandilands to stand there like a statue and make no effort to maintain his front position.

In general though, Griffiths is not an experienced ruckman when it comes to body positioning.

I suspect the only way he would be able to compete would be to prevent Sandilands from putting his arm up to tap the ball, and stop the kiddie ruckman on the other side from getting hurt.

 

[Whatname]

Are you sure you're not confusing it with the banter thread?

BTW...Check the sookfest that is the Freo board Sandilands report thread before you start.

Not denying some of our supporters are one eyed, just find it hypocritical coming from Richmond supporters.

BTW Pretty sure the Ballantyne injury trolling is on your match day thread.

 

[Angus Young]

Richmond supporters are the only ones that think that Sandilands getting rubbed for incidental, low impact contact in a ruck contest isn't a joke.

 

[Frank J Moose]

they dont have the right to stop the third man up though, it isn't against the rules (not saying I like it) to do it. The stopping of the third man is for the player's (third man) direct opponent

I know the can't at the moment but unless they do something ruckmen are going to be suspended for being big.

A lot of the Richmond hanging crew is here because Maric copped a woeful suspension last season, but two wrongs don't make a Right.

Ruckmen are just trying to ruck and are starting to get pinged for smaller players putting themselves in situations where ruckmen are going make contact with them and because of size difference it will be high.

 

[telsor]

In this incident Griffiths just continues on his path like he's expecting Sandilands to stand there like a statue and make no effort to maintain his front position.

In general though, Griffiths is not an experienced ruckman when it comes to body positioning.

I suspect the only way he would be able to compete would be to prevent Sandilands from putting his arm up to tap the ball, and stop the kiddie ruckman on the other side from getting hurt.

So Sandilands moved to block Griffiths...i.e. it wasn't an accident (as you suggested before)....and from that deliberate move, contact was made to the head which led to a player being concussed.

Case closed, The only question is how many weeks.


I'm not saying the rules are ideal, especially in how they deal with third men up (BTW, you had a third man up as well), but as the rules read, there is no question he's guilty, and given that (and the concussion caused) he's lucky to only get 1 week.


Freo fans seem to be arguing that the rules are wrong, therefore instead of playing by them, the MRP should throw them out and/or not enforce them, which is never going to happen (even if they could). Griffiths experience or lack thereof around the ruck (and he's actually a lot more experienced than a lot of guys who go 3rd up) is irrelevant.

 

[telsor]

I know the can't at the moment but unless they do something ruckmen are going to be suspended for being big.

A lot of the Richmond hanging crew is here because Maric copped a woeful suspension last season, but two wrongs don't make a Right.

Ruckmen are just trying to ruck and are starting to get pinged for smaller players putting themselves in situations where ruckmen are going make contact with them and because of size difference it will be high.

Actually we're hanging on the precedent and arguing that it's just consistency, although I'd argue this case is worse because a player got concussed (and rightly or wrongly, that's been a significant factor in determining the penalty for a long time).

As you said before, Maric could easily have gotten away with a free against him for high contact because Steele got up and kept going, but when a player is ruled out for the rest of the game by the contact, the MRP has to look at it and it's pretty hard to see how (under the rules as they stand) he could get off with that.