Schulz & Meesen

[astro_toby]

its one that both boards have talked about before, but im going to bring it up again - considering the weekends we just had.

schulz for meesen

you guys can get a key forward who can possibly do the job for you down there - a forward line of hentschel, schulz & sellar - and richmond get a bloke who could possibly play ruch for a decade

i think both sides would be cautious of a trade like this, as both have been seen as quality potential - and feel that any trade concerning them could come back to haunt you - but lets face it - you need a young forward, and we need a young ruckman.

richmonds forward line would be better suited with hughes and reiwoldt.

your ruck looks better with hudson, griffin & maric.

we both have gamble highstakes , with high rewards if it works. latest thoughts?

 

[bus24]

I doubt that would get done. I don't think we need any more long term forwards.

 

[crowsarethebest]

No Deal. While Shultz has been ok, I don't really think he is as good as everyone makes out he is. Meesen is a required player and we still need him.

 

[astro_toby]

No Deal. While Shultz has been ok, I don't really think he is as good as everyone makes out he is. Meesen is a required player and we still need him.

why would he be required though?

surely hudson, maric, griffin & tippett are a suitable quantity of ruckman, thats 10% of a list.

 

[bus24]

why would he be required though?

surely hudson, maric, griffin & tippett are a suitable quantity of ruckman, thats 10% of a list.

Griffin IMO would make a great forward. KT was recruited as a forward.

 

[Alex99]

its one that both boards have talked about before, but im going to bring it up again - considering the weekends we just had.

schulz for meesen

you guys can get a key forward who can possibly do the job for you down there - a forward line of hentschel, schulz & sellar - and richmond get a bloke who could possibly play ruch for a decade

i think both sides would be cautious of a trade like this, as both have been seen as quality potential - and feel that any trade concerning them could come back to haunt you - but lets face it - you need a young forward, and we need a young ruckman.

richmonds forward line would be better suited with hughes and reiwoldt.

your ruck looks better with hudson, griffin & maric.

we both have gamble highstakes , with high rewards if it works. latest thoughts?

Exchange Luke Jericho for John Meesen and you would have a deal.

But I genuinely cannot see that deal happening.

Jericho may have his critics but he can play the game if given an opportunity. He has pace as a forward and the versatility of Brown, Richo, Riewoldt and Jericho could become a dangerous six.

 

[tribey]

Exchange Luke Jericho for John Meesen and you would have a deal.

But I genuinely cannot see that deal happening.

Jericho may have his critics but he can play the game if given an opportunity. He has pace as a forward and the versatility of Brown, Richo, Riewoldt and Jericho could become a dangerous six.

But his point is Richmond clearly need a long term ruckman and Meesen is a Victorian who has had very little opportunity due to his long-term development and more recently injuries.

Offering him Jericho is like us going to the Freo board and saying, "hey we need Pavlich, what would get the job done?" and getting the reply of "Pav is a required player, but you can have Ryley Dunn! A midfield of Goodwin, Edwards, Reilly and Dunn could become a potent mix."

We'd be all and rightly so.

 

[Mego Red]

I think it would take more that Schulz to get Meesen. Both are struggling to be in the firsts for their side - but Schulz is older and plays for a TERRIBLE side and still can't keep his spot.

 

[Drummond]

Exchange Luke Jericho for John Meesen and you would have a deal.

But I genuinely cannot see that deal happening.

Jericho may have his critics but he can play the game if given an opportunity. He has pace as a forward and the versatility of Brown, Richo, Riewoldt and Jericho could become a dangerous six.

Why do you think he hasn’t been given an opportunity? Because he can’t play the game. Why all of a sudden do people think Jericho has so much to offer? The guy has played 20 odd games in 5 years with the club, and doesn’t have the hunger, mental of physical toughness to succeed. One good game against the Blues is suddenly enough to make people rate him as such a great talent.

Anyway, this thread isn’t about Jericho. Jay Schulz is only 22 and has shown the ability to take a contested mark and kick a few goals, but he doesn’t win enough of the ball for my liking and apart from that one match against the Lions, he hasn’t really dominated a game.

Danny Meyer and you may have a deal.

 

[Alex99]

Why do you think he hasn’t been given an opportunity? Because he can’t play the game. Why all of a sudden do people think Jericho has so much to offer? The guy has played 20 odd games in 5 years with the club, and doesn’t have the hunger, mental of physical toughness to succeed. One good game against the Blues is suddenly enough to make people rate him as such a great talent.

Anyway, this thread isn’t about Jericho. Jay Schulz is only 22 and has shown the ability to take a contested mark and kick a few goals, but he doesn’t win enough of the ball for my liking and apart from that one match against the Lions, he hasn’t really dominated a game.

Danny Meyer and you may have a deal.

At the end of this season John Meesen potentially will have been on the list for 3 year and played zero games, does that mean he cannot play the game? I wouldn’t have though so.

Just because he has only played 2 games in the last 15 months does not mean he doesn’t have talent. Your perception of his perceived softness in a contest has allowed you to tee off about how ‘Crap’ he is every time you want to bag the lad.

“Doesn’t have the hunger” and “mental of physical toughness to succeed” are you willing to suggest that those two playing attributes could also represent John Meesen?

20 games in 5 year only means he has missed certain opportunities, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have talent.

 

[Alex99]

But his point is Richmond clearly need a long term ruckman and Meesen is a Victorian who has had very little opportunity due to his long-term development and more recently injuries.

Offering him Jericho is like us going to the Freo board and saying, "hey we need Pavlich, what would get the job done?" and getting the reply of "Pav is a required player, but you can have Ryley Dunn! A midfield of Goodwin, Edwards, Reilly and Dunn could become a potent mix."

We'd be all and rightly so.

But in all honesty we are not looking for a forward who doesn’t have the ability to play straight away. That is why we would never do that trade.

At the moment he is a key forward who is struggling to win his position in the bottom side. We already have 4 or 5 forward who fit that bill, why do we want to add another one?

Jay Schultz is struggling to keep his spot in a side that is bottom, they are rebuilding and on more than one occasion has been dropped. Why would we want to trade someone of potential who could be a very good player for us for someone who is just going to be a depth player?

However Luke Jericho is also a depth player on our list and could easily fit some of there required needs. Just because he isn’t a ruckman doesn’t mean they would not look at it.

 

[AndrewJo]

why would he be required though?

surely hudson, maric, griffin & tippett are a suitable quantity of ruckman, thats 10% of a list.

Unfortunately there is a bit of injury time in that group. Hudson back from knee injury, tippett out for season with shoulder injury, maric on comeback from injury, meese still on comeback, throw in Biglands out with injury and you can see why we need all the talls.

 

[astro_toby]

Jay Schultz is struggling to keep his spot in a side that is bottom, they are rebuilding and on more than one occasion has been dropped. Why would we want to trade someone of potential who could be a very good player for us for someone who is just going to be a depth player?

admittedly so - i do agree. but the ironic thing about the tigers - as bad as we are at the current time - we do have a good amount of marking forwards . and we also have a fella who probably is the best contested mark (or close to) of the past decade, in richo.

basically i think meesen would be rating last in the race for ruck at the crows - behind maric, griff, hudson, biglands - when all fit.

jay rates behind richo, hughes and reiwoldt for me in our forward line.doesnt mean either boy can't play or has the tools to, just that we both ahve better options in that department.

if you fella's dont think you would accept the trade, then fair enough. it's far from an insulting one though, like most other trades are around here

someone said meyer for meesen? i probably would take that but i do have an awful feeling meyer will come good and make us look like gooses - but on its merits, i'd say that meyer has shown a shitload less that jay? what did he do to get so much respect with adelaide folk? surely he can't be that awesome at jnr level, that you will take no notice of the nothing he has done at senior?

 

[Crow-mo]

how much do we have to give you to convince you to keep Jay?

 

[Cap]

how much do we have to give you to convince you to keep Jay?

5th round pick and a player

 

[Sanguinarius]

someone said meyer for meesen? i probably would take that but i do have an awful feeling meyer will come good and make us look like gooses - but on its merits, i'd say that meyer has shown a shitload less that jay? what did he do to get so much respect with adelaide folk? surely he can't be that awesome at jnr level, that you will take no notice of the nothing he has done at senior?

nothing really, just drummond loves him.