Scott Crow

[PieLebo87]

Anyone remember his style of play? What was he like? Fan favourite or hated? What is he upto nowadays?

(Watching a few Pie vids from the mid '90s and remembering old faces. I used to like him)

 

[The Big League]

I used to like him as well, can't remember why though.

 

[conno]

Lives in Eureka Tower.

 

[Brightspark]

Anyone remember his style of play? What was he like? Fan favourite or hated? What is he upto nowadays?

(Watching a few Pie vids from the mid '90s and remembering old faces. I used to like him)

I played against him 3-4 years ago when he was playing for Chelsea Heights in the SFL.Won the league B+F in 2004 and i think he retired but,was unstoppable on his day.

 

[MarkT]

Average paced mid with reasonable everything but high end nothing. From memory he had a pretty good year, got injured and never really cemented his spot back in the team. Played with some cabbages at the time.

 

[Murray]

Actually he was one of the few in the UnShaw era who could play a bit.
Fell out with Shaw over contract negotiations and had a knee (???) injury I think.

 

[zorbadunde]

i use to love this bloke, reminded me of a poor buckley, just the way he moved and kicked. then again he was in a team with duds so who knows

 

[Rohan25]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/S/Scott_Crow.html

He had some decent numbers at least.

 

[sirlothie]

I played with him at Chelsea Heights in 02/03. He had great foot skills, deceptive body strength which I learnt of the hard way in training drills, at SFL level he was pretty dominant. He'd mop up all day across half back, it seems nobody could get it past him and then he would be brutal with his disposal through the middle, Buckley like.

I'll never forget this kick he did at my first practice game for Chelsea Heights at Cranbourne, he gathered at half back, there was nothing much going on forward except one of our midfielders opposed to three of their midfielders dead centre of the ground. They knew it too so they swarmed him, he had 3 blokes on him within a metre of him.

Crowy was under pressure also, a millisecond from being brought down when he produced an audacious and almost foolish pass straight over the top of his immediate opponents, our midfielder was running forward assuming he was too well marked to be eligible for the pass and he would seek out some crumbs around the 50, but Crowy spotted him, threaded the ball over one opponent, through the other two, and straight into the forward moving midfielder mits, he just had to put his hands out. It was insane and you could tell he meant every millimetre of that kick, and the weight and trajectory of the kick meant the receiver did not have to break stride in the slightest so he had his 3 opponents beat off the mark, ran 20 metres and drilled it through the middle. You just had to sit back and say wow...

I figured he would be a decent half back but what really surprised me a season later we lost our full forward, so Crowy slotted in against blokes twice his size and every week kicked a lazy 5 or 6, at full forward! And he's all of 5'11, but he moves not quick but extremely smart, and not slow, just average but every step is perfectly judged, with the ball or without, and he is amazingly strong at his core, most blokes you can push and shove and they will budge and take a step to rebalance, but it didn't matter what position he was in or whether he was expecting it or not, he was a rock that you couldn't throw off, nobody could stick a tackle or a bump on him at all so he just did as he liked for us. And his disposal and smarts meant it was always a goal or a setup for a goal, didn't matter where he was.

As far as I remember, he works in the building trade as some kind of sales rep. Earns good coin too, I think it was tied into his deal to play local footy. He was stiff to get delisted as he was and is a better footballer than Scott Burns, but Burns was more determined and had more fighting spirit, but Crow was just sublime a lot of the time, so much so you didn't notice what he did it was that smooth, you'd notice who he got the ball off and where it went, but the in-between was too silky and quick to take much notice of it.

When he was at Chelsea Heights, Glenn Nugent was as well and he wasn't as well skilled but nonetheless he was no mug and he had greater ball winning ability, not that Crowy didn't, so together they basically owned SFL teams only with our ruckman Ollie Trand who was on St Kilda's rookie list but didn't make it as an AFL ruckman because he was a little short for it, probably 195cm but at a lower level he killed them too, because he could run better than anybody else too and was well skilled and good at ground level and could take a mark and kick a goal.

Crowy had a couple of young kids too, they were 3 or 4, I think a boy and a girl, so now they'd be 7 or 8, the boy couldn't function without a ball in his hands so hopefully his old man played enough for Collingwood to make him eligible for a father-son down the track.

Scott Crow was born and bred in Port Fairy and I believe he has an off-field role with them at the moment, maybe on-field sometimes too. I remember him talking about how he got the shaft when Shaw left and Malthouse came, obviously Malthouse didn't rate him and delisted him not long after he got into the joint, but to my eyes that would have been a mistake.

We've had a lot worse before and after that.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Crowy had a couple of young kids too, they were 3 or 4, I think a boy and a girl, so now they'd be 7 or 8, the boy couldn't function without a ball in his hands so hopefully his old man played enough for Collingwood to make him eligible for a father-son down the track.

Judging by the link Rohan25 posted above, it would sadly appear not to be the case.

 

[PieLebo87]

As far as I remember, he works in the building trade as some kind of sales rep. Earns good coin too, I think it was tied into his deal to play local footy. He was stiff to get delisted as he was and is a better footballer than Scott Burns, but Burns was more determined and had more fighting spirit, but Crow was just sublime a lot of the time, so much so you didn't notice what he did it was that smooth, you'd notice who he got the ball off and where it went, but the in-between was too silky and quick to take much notice of it.

The interesting thing is that if we managed to make a few better calls around this 6-7 year period, players like Crow and Betheras would still be on the list and we'd be in a bit of a better position. I know it seems as though they aren't big deal mistakes, but for all we know, a player like Crow, deeper into his prime, and a player like Betheras, with an extra year's experience at the top level, could've been the difference in Collingwood being a much better side with the other talents we've got/had running around.

 

[sirlothie]

The interesting thing is that if we managed to make a few better calls around this 6-7 year period, players like Crow and Betheras would still be on the list and we'd be in a bit of a better position. I know it seems as though they aren't big deal mistakes, but for all we know, a player like Crow, deeper into his prime, and a player like Betheras, with an extra year's experience at the top level, could've been the difference in Collingwood being a much better side with the other talents we've got/had running around.

Yeah he'd be gone by now because he is 34, generally for a midfielder/smaller type you only get to play that long at AFL level if your an elite, which he wasn't quite, but in '02/'03 he was in his prime for the type of player he was and would have been very handy indeed as another senior, experienced and level-headed player in those GF's.

That's what annoys me sometimes too when players who genuinely offer something, they may not be matchwinners but you can count on something from them, are forced to make way for scrubs like Guy Richards.

I could have told you 5 years ago definitively that he wouldn't cut the mustard at AFL level, his faults now were just as evident back then and too many genuine, brave, classy footballers of average height and speed are shoved out the door for these type of 'projects', which more often than not don't work.

Sure sometimes you get your Marty Clarke or Dean Cox but they didn't take take 5 years + to reveal themselves, 2-3 years and you should be shown the door if you haven't established yourself I reckon. Any longer is just getting desperate and all it seems is you lose blokes who can contribute like Crow and Betheras as you mention.

He is a pretty quietly spoken bloke so maybe Mick just got the wrong idea of him.

 

[Kirby]

He was a good AFL player with good skills. Problem is that at 5'10" or so he didn't have the pace.

I used to like him and it doesn't surprise me that he would dominate lesser leagues. This is common when any half decent AFL standard player goes back to suburban footy.

 

[pendles]

One of two players in the Tony Shaw coached era who could actually kick with his non-preferred foot. Bucks being the other.

Is a classic Chad Liddell/Ben Davies case - could have been anything if not for dud coaching.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Never did much wrong. Big call to say he's better than Scott Burns though.

 

[Axl the great]

The interesting thing is that if we managed to make a few better calls around this 6-7 year period, players like Crow and Betheras would still be on the list and we'd be in a bit of a better position. I know it seems as though they aren't big deal mistakes, but for all we know, a player like Crow, deeper into his prime, and a player like Betheras, with an extra year's experience at the top level, could've been the difference in Collingwood being a much better side with the other talents we've got/had running around.

Here here, The dumping of Betheras was nothing short of discraceful!

 

[sirlothie]

Never did much wrong. Big call to say he's better than Scott Burns though.

Burns has done more on the field obviously but that doesn't always mean who is the better player. It's about a draw because there is some things Burns can do that Crow can't do, and some things that Crow can do that Burns couldn't do.

I watched them training together up close and for extended periods in 1996 and if you were with me that day you would agree with my hypothesis at the time that Crow would have Burns' career well and truly covered, they look and move like each other so they drew comparison and there was a lot of excitement with Crow but it didn't turn out to be as much as we'd hoped.

 

[Axl the great]

Are you on drugs? Burns is that far above Crow its not funny.Anyone who watches every game must realise he has been and still is in our top 3 most important players and one of the most underrated in the whole competition. It will be a sad day when this legend of the club retires.

 

[ClarkeM]

Used to like him aswell!

 

[sirlothie]

Are you on drugs? Burns is that far above Crow its not funny.Anyone who watches every game must realise he has been and still is in our top 3 most important players and one of the most underrated in the whole competition. It will be a sad day when this legend of the club retires.

All very well. Fact remains Scott Crow was potentially an equal to him, him, Burns and Paul Williams formed a potent rearguard action behind Buckley in the mid '90s at times and all I'm saying is had he stayed on he could have offered a lot perhaps.

I know he was better than he was at Collingwood after he actually left because I played with him.

No shit Scott Burns' legacy has turned out greater.

 

[Murray]

Here here, The dumping of Betheras was nothing short of discraceful!

So which of the other 15 clubs went after him

 

[ant22]

Burns has done more on the field obviously but that doesn't always mean who is the better player. It's about a draw because there is some things Burns can do that Crow can't do, and some things that Crow can do that Burns couldn't do.

I watched them training together up close and for extended periods in 1996 and if you were with me that day you would agree with my hypothesis at the time that Crow would have Burns' career well and truly covered, they look and move like each other so they drew comparison and there was a lot of excitement with Crow but it didn't turn out to be as much as we'd hoped.

No disrespect but I think the fact that you played with crow may be clouding your judgement a bit. Suggesting a player is better because of the way the train or the way they kick or more on the track is ridiculous. At best you might be able to suggest that crow had as much talent(although I doubt it) as burns but he has never been the player that scotty burns has. Crow was a handy back flanker who used to win kicks out in space and behind play. Scott Burns started as a tough back flanker who used to win it at ground level and in the air and move into the middle where has has been one of the best clearance players the pies have had in the modern era.

Scott Crow is not better at anything that burns does IMO-kicking similar
Burns is and imo has always been better at- reading the play, tackling, overhead, putting his head over the ball, running all day etc etc. These are massive parts of our game and imo very important in judging ones ability. People think ability is about being able to kick, mark and run fast. These other things also make ones ability to play the game.

Crow was a handy player but was rightfully delisted. From memory 1 pretty good season and struggled a bit after that. After delisting players like crow the club moved forwards and not backwards so I find the comments that we should not have delisted players like crow laughable.

 

[ant22]

All very well. Fact remains Scott Crow was potentially an equal to him, him, Burns and Paul Williams formed a potent rearguard action behind Buckley in the mid '90s at times and all I'm saying is had he stayed on he could have offered a lot perhaps.

I know he was better than he was at Collingwood after he actually left because I played with him.

No shit Scott Burns' legacy has turned out greater.

That is also laughable. Comparing someone to player at chelsea heights in the weakest metro league in melbourne to playing at collingwood and suggesting he was better after it is ridiculous. Scott crow should win b and fs in that comp. He should be a dominate player because he is then a big fish in a small pond. If he was good enough another club would have pick him up.

Thats like me saying that a bloke I know who has won a league b and f in a strong country league, been an all australian for vic country(voted best player) and the nat country champs and a player who has totally dominated his league for the past 5 years is better than half the blokes going around. You just cannot compare.

Im not trying to knock scott crow because he was handy and has acheived far more than I ever have in afl and I commend him for that. But unless he is in the afl system it is simply not possible to say he is or was better or worse after he was delisted. My suspection is that since pace was one of the factors in his delisting that he may have continued to struggle as the game has been getting quicker and quicker each year. But as I said its impossible to tell. I certainly would not be basing my assesment on sfl footy.

 

[NashLovesAFL]

Anyone remember his style of play? What was he like? Fan favourite or hated? What is he upto nowadays?

(Watching a few Pie vids from the mid '90s and remembering old faces. I used to like him)

He is actually me Uncle
Scott Crow is my Uncle

 

[BEEG]

Very smart footballer would be a 200 gamer in today's footy.

Ryan Lonie I always think about if he debuted tomorrow he would be a star just the wrong era.