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Mick F said:
Pendles, Sidey, Howe and Mihocek a year older so we need to see some improvement.

McStay is one. Be nice if Cameron could go to the next level. Macrae possibly another. Draper needs to become the player he is capable of. Two of Johnson/Krueger/Dean/Carmichael required to be more than depth players.

Harrison, Allan, Ryan and Steene probably impact more in 2025.
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2025? So back-2-back-2-back then…… okay, I’m cool with that.
 
jc37 said:
He should go down as our greatest player now and I think he is under rated a touch.

Sadly won't leave game as a premiership winning captain but is the equal of any leader to have played the game.
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Unquestionably our GOAT. His achievements speak for themselves. It’s when you start throwing “best” into the descriptors that it gets a little more emotive and people start hedging their bets. John Greening to me is still the best footballer I’ve ever seen wearing black and white. He was a freak. Then you’ve got (in no particular order) Buckley, Carman, Daicos (senior), and Pendles on the next rung. Swanny and a few others unlucky to miss out. My old man always tells me I should have seen Bobby Rose play whenever we discuss it. Nick Daicos signals the next gen. Hopefully he and Pendles can play together for longer, it’ll be a great watch.
 
after all the maestro/conductor/traffic cop/zen master hype of the last few days about pendles. I watched the last few minutes of the game and we did make a few "unprogrammed" mistakes during that time. Sure it was a benefit having pendles as the traffic cop and his actual play was outstanding, but it would be wrong to say that everything was as programmed as the hype would lead you to believe. I have no doubt that clubs will want to "program" their players to adapt to circumstances more. THe static gameplans of adam simpson wont be able to get the job done. However, the game changes with the bouce of an oval ball, and individual brilliance from daicos and de goey cant be programmed. That being said, I'm sure the feeling of "everyone being on the one page" is a great stress reducer for the players and gives them a strong feeling that they're doing what the team wants them to do.
 

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Mollythedolly said:
Unquestionably our GOAT. His achievements speak for themselves. It’s when you start throwing “best” into the descriptors that it gets a little more emotive and people start hedging their bets. John Greening to me is still the best footballer I’ve ever seen wearing black and white. He was a freak. Then you’ve got (in no particular order) Buckley, Carman, Daicos (senior), and Pendles on the next rung. Swanny and a few others unlucky to miss out. My old man always tells me I should have seen Bobby Rose play whenever we discuss it. Nick Daicos signals the next gen. Hopefully he and Pendles can play together for longer, it’ll be a great watch.
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Greening was my favourite player as a kid - so sad that he was cut down before he reached his prime by an act of such pure cowardice - we win the 1970 GF by 15 goals with him in the side (and McKenna not being concussed).
 
Mollythedolly said:
Unquestionably our GOAT. His achievements speak for themselves. It’s when you start throwing “best” into the descriptors that it gets a little more emotive and people start hedging their bets. John Greening to me is still the best footballer I’ve ever seen wearing black and white. He was a freak. Then you’ve got (in no particular order) Buckley, Carman, Daicos (senior), and Pendles on the next rung. Swanny and a few others unlucky to miss out. My old man always tells me I should have seen Bobby Rose play whenever we discuss it. Nick Daicos signals the next gen. Hopefully he and Pendles can play together for longer, it’ll be a great watch.
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I agree.

The measure of a player's contribution to the club's success and "the best footballer" are not the same measure. This year brings that message home with Pendles in primary focus.

In terms of raw talent Daics Snr has Pendles, but he didn't serve as long nor was he on-field coach by default at any stage. The guy with the basketball background might very well ride off into the sunset with the all-time games record under his belt.

Bucks is in the conversation but fell agonisingly short of a flag and those damned hamstrings killed any remote hope he had of snatching one as an oldie.

Swannie just misses out in my estimate but would not argue if others did include him in their list of best they've seen.

* I missed Greening and sadly his orbit with the stars was too brief.
 
Markfs said:
after all the maestro/conductor/traffic cop/zen master hype of the last few days about pendles. I watched the last few minutes of the game and we did make a few "unprogrammed" mistakes during that time. Sure it was a benefit having pendles as the traffic cop and his actual play was outstanding, but it would be wrong to say that everything was as programmed as the hype would lead you to believe. I have no doubt that clubs will want to "program" their players to adapt to circumstances more. THe static gameplans of adam simpson wont be able to get the job done. However, the game changes with the bouce of an oval ball, and individual brilliance from daicos and de goey cant be programmed. That being said, I'm sure the feeling of "everyone being on the one page" is a great stress reducer for the players and gives them a strong feeling that they're doing what the team wants them to do.
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Nobody could coordinate like a maestro within the chaos of the last few minutes of a GF. That would be an unrealistic expectation. Mistakes will still happen.

Reminding players to stand an optimal position in a set-play and refocusing them on those basics is valuable. Especially when many would be overwhelmed by the occasion.

That's all any on-field coach can do.
 
jathanas said:
Nobody could coordinate like a maestro within the chaos of the last few minutes of a GF. That would be an unrealistic expectation. Mistakes will still happen.

Reminding players to stand an optimal position in a set-play and refocusing them on those basics is valuable. Especially when many would be overwhelmed by the occasion.

That's all any on-field coach can do.
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I'm not saying pendles' actions didnt have an effect. However, when you think about the mantra that we practice everything 1000 times and everyone knows what to do and then you see a player play on with 20 seconds to go.....well....which is it? is pendles the maestro or are the players practised to the stage that they are robots?
 
Markfs said:
I'm not saying pendles' actions didnt have an effect. However, when you think about the mantra that we practice everything 1000 times and everyone knows what to do and then you see a player play on with 20 seconds to go.....well....which is it? is pendles the maestro or are the players practised to the stage that they are robots?
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I don't believe there are any magic drill(s) the club practices which would give them an edge over other sides in close finishes.

Even if it's something they train for, it's as much a mental thing (IMO).

The belief that the group now possesses if they're within striking distance at the finish as well as the fact that the opposition has seen them do it so often. It becomes self-fulfilling.

Long may it last.
 
jathanas said:
I agree.

The measure of a player's contribution to the club's success and "the best footballer" are not the same measure. This year brings that message home with Pendles in primary focus.

In terms of raw talent Daics Snr has Pendles, but he didn't serve as long nor was he on-field coach by default at any stage. The guy with the basketball background might very well ride off into the sunset with the all-time games record under his belt.

Bucks is in the conversation but fell agonisingly short of a flag and those damned hamstrings killed any remote hope he had of snatching one as an oldie.

Swannie just misses out in my estimate but would not argue if others did include him in their list of best they've seen.

* I missed Greening and sadly his orbit with the stars was too brief.
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I would equate "best" player for a club as the player who has given the "best service" to the club - our greatest player. Flags 13 years apart, a Norm smith in one and receiving votes in the other. Most possessions in afl history, most games for Collingwood by miles, 5 B&Fs, etc.

I think he wins hands down.
 
jathanas said:
I don't believe there are any magic drill(s) the club practices which would give them an edge over other sides in close finishes.

Even if it's something they train for, it's as much a mental thing (IMO).

The belief that the group now possesses if they're within striking distance at the finish as well as the fact that the opposition has seen them do it so often. It becomes self-fulfilling.

Long may it last.
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i agree. The power of suggestion. Craig actually goes into 360 and appears on SEN to do some of his coaching. Of course, he's not the first coach to use the media to reaffirm messages given during training.

He's also "coaching" us as well of course. The power of inclusivity, although some of the people in the gameday thread have proved to be uncoachable...lol
 
sideswipe said:
I would equate "best" player for a club as the player who has given the "best service" to the club - our greatest player. Flags 13 years apart, a Norm smith in one and receiving votes in the other. Most possessions in afl history, most games for Collingwood by miles, 5 B&Fs, etc.

I think he wins hands down.
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There's something in these comparisons which reminds me of the federer - novak - rafa comparisons. Some people go for the most talented player. Others like myself look for effectiveness.

I think Pendles has gone past buckley in recent years...Daics and swan etc are the federers of their time
 
sideswipe said:
I would equate "best" player for a club as the player who has given the "best service" to the club - our greatest player. Flags 13 years apart, a Norm smith in one and receiving votes in the other. Most possessions in afl history, most games for Collingwood by miles, 5 B&Fs, etc.

I think he wins hands down.
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By those measures it's very compelling. Not the longest kick, not the best mark, doesn't kick the freakiest goals, can't sprint for sh*t... and he's putting forth a very strong case to be considered the best player in the club's 100+ year old history.

Markfs said:
i agree. The power of suggestion. Craig actually goes into 360 and appears on SEN to do some of his coaching. Of course, he's not the first coach to use the media to reaffirm messages given during training.

He's also "coaching" us as well of course. The power of inclusivity, although some of the people in the gameday thread have proved to be uncoachable...lol
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"Uncoachable" might be a generous description for those souls, which is atypical for you. I assume it's just the glow of the premiership and that normal programming will resume by preseason.
 

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jathanas said:
By those measures it's very compelling. Not the longest kick, not the best mark, doesn't kick the freakiest goals, can't sprint for sh*t... and he's putting forth a very strong case to be considered the best player in the club's 100+ year old history.



"Uncoachable" might be a generous description for those souls, which is atypical for you. I assume it's just the glow of the premiership and that normal programming will resume by preseason.
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gee whiz you underestimate the improvements in empathy that i've made under the coach.
 
Markfs said:
gee whiz you underestimate the improvements in empathy that i've made under the coach.
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My apologies Mark, for the hurt I have caused. I misunderestimated you.
 
Pendles is the greatest mentor Nick Daicos could possibly have, and I’m sure he’s partially responsible for how amazing Nick has been so far.

Getting goose bumps hearing McCrae talk about how Pendles made Nick go into the centre square for the decisive restart that ended with De Goey’s goal.

Nick was not usually meant to be in there for that style of play but Pendles said to him “You don’t want to be a part of this?” and moved him in. We’re trailing late in a GF and 4 disposals later (2 of them to Nick) we’re back in front.
 

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manicmagpie said:
Nick was not usually meant to be in there for that style of play but Pendles said to him “You don’t want to be a part of this?” and moved him in. We’re trailing late in a GF and 4 disposals later (2 of them to Nick) we’re back in front.
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So many ‘stories’ out of this flag, and this is one of the best. We’ll be retelling them, and reminiscing, for years if not decades.
 
manicmagpie said:
Pendles is the greatest mentor Nick Daicos could possibly have, and I’m sure he’s partially responsible for how amazing Nick has been so far.

Getting goose bumps hearing McCrae talk about how Pendles made Nick go into the centre square for the decisive restart that ended with De Goey’s goal.

Nick was not usually meant to be in there for that style of play but Pendles said to him “You don’t want to be a part of this?” and moved him in. We’re trailing late in a GF and 4 disposals later (2 of them to Nick) we’re back in front.
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Both of Nicks possessions travelled a total of five metres😂😂😂😂
 

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