Toast Scott Pendlebury

[nahnah]

I'm fairly new and have never started my own thread so apologies in advance if I've done this wrong or haven't earn't the right to start threads, feel free to remove it if need be.

Anywhom,
Where would you guys rate pendles in our history of great players., ino his career is only half way but he has already achieved:

played 148 games
Premiership player
normsmith medalist
2 ANZAc day medals (in a row)
B&F winner
3 time All Australian
twice finished 2nd in the b&f
Has polled 90 browlow votes
Runner up in rising star award

and is currently just 24 years old.

Swanny is ahead of him, but pendles is very chance to pass him (just needs a brown low lol) WHere that places him overall.......discuss.

 

[sr36]

This is how I rate the top few Pies from the early-80s onwards.

Buckley, Swan, Daicos, Brown, Pendlebury

By the end of his career, if he stays healthy, I expect him to overtake Daicos, Brown and most will think that he's overtaken Swan (I rate Swan a lot higher than most -in my mind, he's in the same stratosphere as Buckley)

 

[themulletking]

I'm not going to get statistical,
but i think he could very well become the best player in the competition in and/or for the next few years.
Can see him coaching collingwood as well. the next bucks?

 

[PieNSauce]

This is how I rate the top few Pies from the early-80s onwards.

Buckley, Swan, Daicos, Brown, Pendlebury

By the end of his career, if he stays healthy, I expect him to overtake Daicos, Brown and most will think that he's overtaken Swan (I rate Swan a lot higher than most -in my mind, he's in the same stratosphere as Buckley)

I always struggle to know where to rate Bucks in discussions like this. Nobody can deny that he had sublime skills and a great footy brain but I will always see his captaincy as a bit of a down side. He certainly led by example but in the early years he seemed completely incapable of empathy with his charges. By the end of his career he seemed to have mostly overcome that issue but for me it will always be a bit of a cloud over his career and one can only wonder if perceptions of him will hold back success in his coaching career.

For sheer excitement and personal impact on games I would find it hard not to rate Daics at number one. Practically rewrote the book on the snap and made a mockery of perceptions of what you need in order to kick big bags of goals. The tension on defenders' faces was always evident whenever Daics got near the ball anywhere inside 70m and some of his long torpedoes, encouraged by his adoring fans were just mind blowing in terms of their audacity. In a time when coaches would bench players for kicking torpedoes, Daics was showing everyone just how effective they could be in the hands of a master.

Brown had the sort of qualities that I rate extremely highly and will always be something of a personal favourite for his never-say-die attitude and for what he achieved with skills that many rated as pretty average. His stats always belied perceptions of his skills and his personal effect on games cannot be denied. To me Brown personified the second and third effort mentality which was such a massive factor in 1990 and was seen again in 2010 with the new crop.

Swan is a bit of an enigma. His ball getting capabilities are amazing and I am one who tends to disagree with those who believe his disposal is poor. He may not be Buckleyesque but I think some overplay his intermittent bloopers and ignore the finesse you often see from a man who gets most of his kicks in the high pressure atmosphere of the midfield. The thing that makes him hard to rate is his apparent devil-may-care attitude to his career but there can be no doubting his credentials. He seems to be a man who is happy to work hard but doesn't especially like talking about it and that seems to show in his words when he does get asked to speak.

Pendles reminds me so much of Ross "Twiggy" Dunne in the way he moves. I've commented on many occasions about the way that when Twiggy was in form, he could virtually walk through a pack with ball in hand and it seemed as though time was standing still or he had some magical force-field. Where others would have been tackled, they just couldn't seem to lay a glove on Twig despite the fact that he appeared to be moving almost in slow motion. It's much the same with Pendles when he's in form. At his age there isn't much he needs to improve on unless he is to move from the midfield. One can't help believe that unless injury prevents it he may become one of our greatest players ever. Still too early to say.

 

[blaze036]

I'm not going to get statistical,
but i think he could very well become the best player in the competition in and/or for the next few years.
Can see him coaching collingwood as well. the next bucks?

Yep, i think he will def be the next collingwood coach. By the time he is ready for a senior role it will be aroudn the time buckley's kids will be about to join the pies, so it would be a good time for him to retire.

Our senior coaching position is sorted for the next 20-25 years .

 

[Beary17]

Yep, i think he will def be the next collingwood coach. By the time he is ready for a senior role it will be aroudn the time buckley's kids will be about to join the pies, so it would be a good time for him to retire.

Our senior coaching position is sorted for the next 20-25 years .

And let's hope it's a smooth transition plan

 

[jonbe54]

ATM Daics, Bucks, Penders, Swan, Browny but that's going to change as the years roll on.

Daicos prob the greatest player ever to pull the guernsey on, could do just about anything on the football field.

Bucks, the most damaging player I've seen in our colours

Penders is the killer punch wrapped in silk gloves

Swan is the ultimate workhorse and can run all day.

And Browny the ultimate captain.

No offence meant to the latter two - it really is splitting hairs to rate them and extremely personal. All walk up starts in any side from any era.

If Pendles stays fit he has the world at his feet.

 

[76woodenspooners]

I'm fairly new and have never started my own thread so apologies in advance if I've done this wrong or haven't earn't the right to start threads, feel free to remove it if need be.

Great thread!

Where would you guys rate pendles in our history of great players.

I think it'll depend on how long he can hold his good form as to where he'll rate among the greats.

By the way, I think Beams will give him a shake - obviously Beams is behind him now, but he's also 4 (?) years behind in in career terms too.

 

[Stripes B and W]

These are all a bit subjective, things may stick in your mind for various reason, occur when you are most open to influence etc etc.

Daics is number one by length of a wind assisted torp. Could do everything, absolute match winner, brilliant, brought players into the game, versatile. Absolute A grade star.

I rate Brown perhaps higher than his out and out footy ability. He just willed himself above all opponents, his one on one contesting was amazing. Great inspirational leader, also extremely versatile. Could miss the the odd set shot. Brave as they come too

Bucks, just a consistent performer at a very high level. Awesome right foot field kick, the best i have seen. Average to good goal kicker and opposite foot kick. The think i loved about Bucks is he just improved each season until he was about 30. Improved his inside game, improved his overhead marking ( which was average til mid career ) and improved his leadership by being more inclusive and open. True professional in every way.

Pendles could well go beyond the two 'B's'. Has that magical balance and poise. Professional in every aspect of the game and that unique ability to dilate time. A modern football genius. Gets another 5-10 meters in his kicking will really up his hurt factor. My favourite modern player.

Thanks for the thread too!!

 

[Embleberry]

Love his work through traffic pure class. Watching highlights from WCE v Coll Semi final 2012: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...oast-eagles-1st-semi-final-highlights.973174/ at 6:54 and 8:12 are some brilliant snippets. (I dunno put a video into the post lol)
Great thread, hopefully he is back to his best next season and finishes with a Brownlow, another Norm Smith and Premiership medals!

 

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By the way, I think Beams will give him a shake - obviously Beams is behind him now, but he's also 4 (?) years behind in in career terms too.

3 years career difference, 2 years age difference.

I agree with you, I think Beams has the potential to be a part of these discussions in a few years.

 

[dansa]

I'm surprised so many people rate Daicos as the best player over that period. I started watching Collingwood live in the mid 80's and I've always thought that Buckley was clearly our best player and that this was unquestioned by most if not all supporters. Interesting.

For me,
Buckley

Pendlebury/Clement
Daicos
Swan/Brown

 

[Robroy22]

Good morning to all, newbie here so I hope for a little leeway on my first post!
Unfortunately for someone my age, comparisons between players gets even more difficult because we have witnessed so many!! I applaud the recomendations made so far and assure everyone that Pendles, Bucks, and Beamer are indeed favourites of mine as well however I would like to perhaps suggest a few you may not have thought of (or remembered).
I would list mine in reverse order....so that ascending towards the best of the best (IMHO)

Beams, Thomas, Burns, M.Williams, Potter, W.Richardson, Swan, Carman, Moore, Thompson, Clement, Pendlebury, Buckley, Brown, Millane, Daicos.....Greening.

If you've never seen Johnny Greening play....as Molly Meldrum says "Do yourself a favour" and look him up on utube. He is as close as you will see to the ultimate footballer. Freakish skills, unbelievable courage, blistering pace and the ability to jump over packs to mark. He kicked and handpassed equally well on either side and could run at full pace dodging and weaving whilst bouncing the ball either hand. He had balance, the ability to read the game well in advance and the skills to win games at will. It was criminal that he was cut down in his prime......sigh.

 

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Welcome Robroy22.

I'm a bit like dansa in placing Buckley a clear first, but certainly don't have as long a personal viewing history to draw on compared to some here.

 

[Number 10]

He has the ability to be a once in a generation player. Unfortunately Ablett already has that mantra, but they are completely different players. Pendlebury moves like no-one else and literally everything he touches turns to gold. I think the fact that he is quite slow compared to an Ablett or a Swan has shown why he is even more phenominal.

He's 24, played 148 games in 6 years. He has a good 8-10 years left in him.

Put him down to surpass Tony Shaw as the most games ever played for the Pies. Put him down to gain at least another 4-5 AA's. Put him down to win a brownlow, or two.

I think next year will really be the making of Scott Pendlebury - someone who we will talk about like we do Daicos, but in a different vein.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm surprised so many people rate Daicos as the best player over that period. I started watching Collingwood live in the mid 80's and I've always thought that Buckley was clearly our best player and that this was unquestioned by most if not all supporters. Interesting.

For me,
Buckley

Pendlebury/Clement
Daicos
Swan/Brown

Dansa many younger Pies supporters haven't watched the early Daicos years, most know him as a goalkicking forward but his early years he was a mid. Like Pendles he could mesmerize his opponents, very hard to tackle, exciting pace - especially in the first handful of steps to get clear, amazingly creative and totally destructive with his disposals.

The complete player.

 

[jonbe54]

Good morning to all, newbie here so I hope for a little leeway on my first post!
Unfortunately for someone my age, comparisons between players gets even more difficult because we have witnessed so many!! I applaud the recomendations made so far and assure everyone that Pendles, Bucks, and Beamer are indeed favourites of mine as well however I would like to perhaps suggest a few you may not have thought of (or remembered).
I would list mine in reverse order....so that ascending towards the best of the best (IMHO)

Beams, Thomas, Burns, M.Williams, Potter, W.Richardson, Swan, Carman, Moore, Thompson, Clement, Pendlebury, Buckley, Brown, Millane, Daicos.....Greening.

If you've never seen Johnny Greening play....as Molly Meldrum says "Do yourself a favour" and look him up on utube. He is as close as you will see to the ultimate footballer. Freakish skills, unbelievable courage, blistering pace and the ability to jump over packs to mark. He kicked and handpassed equally well on either side and could run at full pace dodging and weaving whilst bouncing the ball either hand. He had balance, the ability to read the game well in advance and the skills to win games at will. It was criminal that he was cut down in his prime......sigh.

Welcome Rob and a great first post, absolutely correct on Greening. If he had played out his years without major injury was capable of multiple Brownlows, would probably have enabled us to snare a couple of flags in his time.

Yes I know that's a big call but YES he was THAT GOOD.

As Rob says u tube him and WATCH, look at the movement through congestion, the total balance, majestic leap for his size and his booming kick.

I watched him tear St Kilda apart one match almost single handed, I was like many of my supporter mates - absolutely gob smacked at the towering talent that had just announced itself.

 

[ipswichpies]

I am glad someone mentioned Carman,he could easily have been the best of them all.On pendles all clubs would love to have him as would most fans he would definitely be the least despised Pie out of all our players and I think he will barring injury become 1 of the 3 best players who have played for the club.

Ps when I say about Pendles being the least despised Pie I am talking about it from other clubs fans perspective they all seem to like him unlike most of our players.

PPs Robroy22 welcome mate another voice is always welcome .

 

[jonbe54]

For those who haven't seen Greening's exploits here's just a taste. . .

 

[ipswichpies]

For those who haven't seen Greening's exploits here's just a taste. . .

Before my time Jonbe but yes I can see exactly what you Mean But I saw Carman on TV and he made a big impression on me.

 

[jonbe54]

Before my time Jonbe but yes I can see exactly what you Mean But I saw Carman on TV and he made a big impression on me.

Yes Carmen had it all - even more so than Greening (though not by much) however he was an absolute and utter meat head, probably the easiest sucked in player I've ever seen.

Easily put off his game by a snide or nasty comment - he didn't have a short fuse, he had no fuse at all

Say something nasty and he would explode - not with good football but with stupid physical violence.

A terrible shame he never grew up enough to fully realise his potential.

 

[nahnah]

Pendles has been my favourite player by a mile since his debut against the lions in 06, as i can't comment past 1999(first memories of collingwood, i was 6) i wanted to know where people thought he ranked as for me he is 3rd but thats ignoring 95% of players to ever play for us!

Beams is climbing the ranks quickly which is exciting! (funny how no one mentions cloke in these discussions but is often seen as our most important player....but imo he needs a few more seasons of 50+ goals)

 

[lozza63]

Yeah welcome Robroy - i think i must add Peter McKenna to your list, Hall of Famer, 838 goals in 180 games.

I remember being lucky enough to see him in the early 70s with my Aunt and cousins kick bags of goals - seemed to me he would always boot 6 every game we watched at Vic Park! Such an accurate kick - he was a young kid's inspiration to practice shooting at goal (with a drop punt) from all angles.

 

[Dynamics]

Good morning to all, newbie here so I hope for a little leeway on my first post!
Unfortunately for someone my age, comparisons between players gets even more difficult because we have witnessed so many!! I applaud the recomendations made so far and assure everyone that Pendles, Bucks, and Beamer are indeed favourites of mine as well however I would like to perhaps suggest a few you may not have thought of (or remembered).
I would list mine in reverse order....so that ascending towards the best of the best (IMHO)

Beams, Thomas, Burns, M.Williams, Potter, W.Richardson, Swan, Carman, Moore, Thompson, Clement, Pendlebury, Buckley, Brown, Millane, Daicos.....Greening.

If you've never seen Johnny Greening play....as Molly Meldrum says "Do yourself a favour" and look him up on utube. He is as close as you will see to the ultimate footballer. Freakish skills, unbelievable courage, blistering pace and the ability to jump over packs to mark. He kicked and handpassed equally well on either side and could run at full pace dodging and weaving whilst bouncing the ball either hand. He had balance, the ability to read the game well in advance and the skills to win games at will. It was criminal that he was cut down in his prime......sigh.

Yeah I was born mid 70s so I missed Greening but my Dad says he was the best by a street.

Amazed that Pants is missing from a few lists here. If I had to place Pendles amongst the players I've seen I would say:

1. Buckley/Daicos
2. Millane
3. Brown
4. Pendlebury/Clement/Swan

Rowdy was an outstanding wingman who, through sheer force of will, became an AA forward. The bravest player of ability I've seen in black and white, followed by Burns and Ball. My chest puffs out every time his name is uttered and I look forward to the day he finishes up assisting at the filth.

Pendles has the ability to end up with Bucks and Daics as the best Pie I've seen. The fact that he's just 24 (25 in January) is amazing.

 

[Vicky Park]

Love an opportunity to read anything about Pendles, I think he is outstanding for us, and potentially a once in a generation player for the Pies (but please no more broken legs). Agree with other points made too. Daicos was just magnificent, mesmerising, magic (running out of 'm' adjectives). And its true the comment made about the looks on the faces of opposition players whenever Daics had the ball near goal. They were terrified! Greening, sadly, was another in a long list of Collingwood tragedies, cut down in his prime through a savage and cowardly act of violence. And speaking of violence, Fabulous Phil Carman was a nut case, extremely talented, but completely out of control. Sigh....memories.