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Hippies can move to the Amazon rainforest but the primitive health care systems there aren't going to be able to save their life in the event of many emergencies. Does that prolong your life?

I think we need a mix of urbanisation and sustainability.

This era of cultivating ornamental trees and grass will be short lived.

Food crops will come back into daily life.

People will plant more fruit trees, vege patches, pop up greenhouses, slap up solar panels and squeeze a herb garden and chicken coop in too. Rainwater tanks and a big concrete box which converts your waste into methane gas for cooking and you're pretty much off the grid.

Prices are already pushing people back to the old way of doing things. We'll all be bartering at the farmers market if the food prices keep going the way they are.

Cities are just a fad, one which we happen to be born right into the middle of. The trucks that feed them are overburdened especially for places like London. It's only a matter of time before these places crumble and the exodus begins.
 
I liked your post JB, but I ask that this thread not get too bogged down in political and ethical discussion.

There are plenty of other threads already dedicated to that issue.

I am seeking discussion and ideas from people that have already arrived at the conclusion that self sustainability is a good thing.
 
Well I just wanted to give some reasons for my thinking but yes lets talk about what we'd actually do to be more sustainable here in this thread.

Trees take ages to grow. I remember when I was living in Melbourne we had apples, plums and apricots growing. Up here it's tropical so it's pretty much just paw paws and bananas.

How about making your own clothes and furniture or building a house without a construction company? Those will be difficult leaps to make but I think they need to be done. People need to take the power to build their own nest back as primitive as that thinking might seem. A steel and concrete box that costs half a million in mostly labour costs for construction and interior fittings just seem very inefficient and I'm not sure if future generations can afford to live in structures like that.
 

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Hard_to_Beat said:
I am seeking discussion and ideas from people that have already arrived at the conclusion that self sustainability is a good thing.
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These people undergoing self sustainability would likely have no access to the internet. What you'll get here is a lot of hypothesis based on research rather than first hand views.
 
ManOfClay said:
These people undergoing self sustainability would likely have no access to the internet. What you'll get here is a lot of hypothesis based on research rather than first hand views.
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Common misconception example my neighbour is on of these people living right in the heart of bundle.

House is designed so it needs no heating or cooling her house is made from recycled material's.

She has a green house on the top floor of her house a shit ton of solar panels that mean she ends up producing more electricity she needs and a rain tank bigger then my car.

Her back yard has a bunch of fruit trees in it, she's a bit odd and pisses off all the yuppies in our area which makes her a top las in my book. She often trades me fruit and veg for some of my surplus home made rum.
 
Thanks Hard_to_Beat looks like that's where Kev got his idea for his man made home.

Little 4 part series. The jet engine hot tub is cool :)

He has to use junk or stuff off the land. It's a fun look at sustainability in the style of a Grand Designs spin off.

Sydney Bloods the world needs more people like that. Future generations deserve paradise because we have the knowledge to create it. I watch a bit of raw foodie videos on youtube and it's always great to see the stuff they have growing.

http://www.ftpf.org/mission.htm

The food industry can't just gouge and gouge, people will fight back.
 

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Why? Bears? Lions? Elephants? Bugs? Bombs? Robbery?

Just saying LOL is a bit rich. We all know castles are safer. Do you live in a castle? If not your walls might be too thin. Be afraid, be very afraid :rolleyes:
 
Juggalo Balla said:
Trees take ages to grow. I remember when I was living in Melbourne we had apples, plums and apricots growing. Up here it's tropical so it's pretty much just paw paws and bananas.
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Pink ladies grow well in tropics just remember to water them at night. I had 3 fail but the one I got now is going well and I'm not only in a sub tropical climate I'm right on a canal and as such high level's of salt in the soil a supposed environment they won't grow in.
 
Hard_to_Beat said:
Agree. Tiny homes are starting to take off as people wake up to the ridiculousness of large homes, their maintenance and the accompanying debt.

Shipping containers:

http://homeinabox.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/montgomery-rogersville-missouri-3.html

Garage conversions:

http://tinyhousetalk.com/320-sf-modern-and-minimalist-garage-conversion/

Straw Bale:

http://www.solarhaven.org/StarterStrawBale.htm

Cabins:

http://tinyhousetalk.com/400-sf-20k-house/
http://www.besthouse-designs.com/prefab-log-cabin-vacation-home.html
http://www.small-cabin.com/



Tree houses:

http://tinyhouseblog.com/tiny-house-concept/baumraum-treehouses/

Mobile home:

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Except in aus that's a myth your paying for the land not the house. Most homes cost less then $100,000 even mc mansions aren't that much it's all property prices. (which is why the government keeps land locked up for so long waits for bidders then releases it, the government does this on purpose to keep housing prices up because without it the market would collapse)
 
I've got friends (sort of) who are preppers in Victoria (he's also a conspiracy nut).

They recently moved to 20 acres in central Victoria which was already populated with various, mature fruit bearing trees. They grow vegetables and keep livesock for slaughter and other products. Solar, water tanks, water recycling, the whole kit and cabodle.

He's also done the research and purchased a couple of very old and very basic Suzuki Sierras that he is able to maintain himself. He says that they are EMP resistant as they have no electronics in them.

They can't live totally off the grid though. Since they've moved back from the States (8 years) he hasn't worked a day. He just kept impregnating his wife and collecting the FTB, Newstart etc. He also has the internet so that he can research what he's doing.

They home school their kids.

If they had to live totally off the grid they'd be pretty close to being able to do it. The only complaints he has with his plans are his inability to get firearms and large amounts of ammo like he would've been able to do in the states.

He's a total bum of a bloke but he's good fun to have bullshit sessions with.
 

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What you think of a city with a horse and cart isn't really a city.

What did it have? Maybe a sewer and an aquaduct?

I'm talking about modern grid with high speed petrol powered transport supporting millions of people in high density areas that rise up vertically in man made steel and glass structures.
 
Juggalo Balla said:
What you think of a city with a horse and cart isn't really a city.

What did it have? Maybe a sewer and an aquaduct?

I'm talking about modern grid with high speed petrol powered transport supporting millions of people in high density areas that rise up vertically in man made steel and glass structures.
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Sadly they will only grow they won't vanish population increase's dictate (especially with the current fad of halting urban sprawl) they will grow upward and pack in denser.

The future will be high rises with true communal hydroponic gardens taking up entire floors of buildings as logistically it will be too expensive to bring fresh produce to and from cities.
 
Juggalo Balla said:
What you think of a city with a horse and cart isn't really a city.

What did it have? Maybe a sewer and an aquaduct?

I'm talking about modern grid with high speed petrol powered transport supporting millions of people in high density areas that rise up vertically in man made steel and glass structures.
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Oh i see, you're right if you magically change what a city is. The Golden ape arse too you
 
Wright Away said:
Oh i see, you're right if you magically change what a city is. The Golden ape arse too you
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I do apologise, you're correct that cities have been around thousands of years and are a little more than a fad.

The problem really is that you don't want to pay through the nose to live in a city.

If people can't afford to live in cities how can cities continue to grow?
 
Juggalo Balla said:
I do apologise, you're correct that cities have been around thousands of years and are a little more than a fad.

The problem really is that you don't want to pay through the nose to live in a city.

If people can't afford to live in cities how can cities continue to grow?
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Well you see the undesirables get pushed out of the city into slums or holes in the ground.
 

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