SEQAFL Division 1 2013

[smy1305]

Think he has alot of friends at Noosa still S36.. He has coached the 18's for the past 2 years and not sure returning to coach Noosa seniors was high on the agenda and probably wouldn't be a win for either club or coach IMO. From what NB has said then they are pretty keen on a player coach at Tigerland in 2013 (fair point too NB re the question). Coaching movements are very different to player movements IMO. Coaching positions are limited, not so playing positions, esp here on the sunshine coast. Only really 2-3 clubs to choose from as travelling to Brisbane and even Caboolture is a long drive 3-4 days per week.
If he has been appointed (anything official??) then it would be a good move as he has great connections with both young and old footballers in this part of the world, would be a better coach now than when he was at Noosa (as a playing coach too!) and even then he was widely regarded as one of the better coaches Noosa has had in the past 15 years or so. BTW - pretty sure Maroochy wouldn't be spending anywhere near the figure you suggested OP - maybe half that, maybe less? I heard all he wanted was a new set of top shelf paint brushes and a fresh pair of overalls each week plus Noosaboy to change his title to NoosaRooboy.

 

[Megaman123]

According to Noosa website, they have lost Bova, Trompf, Brewster and McIttrick for next year. Probably four of their most important. Added to Bruer and Matthews last year, they have lost some serious talent. They seem pretty good at recruiting to replace, cant wait to see if they can do it again, or maybe Noosa slip a little?

 

[s364376]

Think he has alot of friends at Noosa still S36.. He has coached the 18's for the past 2 years and not sure returning to coach Noosa seniors was high on the agenda and probably wouldn't be a win for either club or coach IMO. From what NB has said then they are pretty keen on a player coach at Tigerland in 2013 (fair point too NB re the question). Coaching movements are very different to player movements IMO. Coaching positions are limited, not so playing positions, esp here on the sunshine coast. Only really 2-3 clubs to choose from as travelling to Brisbane and even Caboolture is a long drive 3-4 days per week.
If he has been appointed (anything official??) then it would be a good move as he has great connections with both young and old footballers in this part of the world, would be a better coach now than when he was at Noosa (as a playing coach too!) and even then he was widely regarded as one of the better coaches Noosa has had in the past 15 years or so. BTW - pretty sure Maroochy wouldn't be spending anywhere near the figure you suggested OP - maybe half that, maybe less? I heard all he wanted was a new set of top shelf paint brushes and a fresh pair of overalls each week plus Noosaboy to change his title to NoosaRooboy.

Official, he has been appointed, he beat 8 top shelf applicants. Noosa already decided to retain the services of fletcher. Not sure Noosa has the same money floating around they have had previously, and with a serious lack of work on the coast may struggle to replace the guys named as leaving. Will be interesting to see if any disgruntled ex or even current Noosa players follow Maloney down the highway.

 

[smy1305]

Then that is a great move by the Roos - I did hear that there was a number of very good candidates - says a lot for the direction the club has moved in over the past few years as there are many who must be looking at the Roos as a good quality club to be involved with and a bright future with quality juniors floating thru. Delaney laid a really good foundation - think he did a stirling job from what i could tell in difficult circumstances.
Interesting move by Noosa too then - good luck to Fletcher, sounds like the deck chairs were moved but every one ended up back in the same seats! It will be interesting times for sunny coast clubs - the work situation is dire and certainly difficult to attract really good footballers without security of employment.

 

[s364376]

Then that is a great move by the Roos - I did hear that there was a number of very good candidates - says a lot for the direction the club has moved in over the past few years as there are many who must be looking at the Roos as a good quality club to be involved with and a bright future with quality juniors floating thru. Delaney laid a really good foundation - think he did a stirling job from what i could tell in difficult circumstances.
Interesting move by Noosa too then - good luck to Fletcher, sounds like the deck chairs were moved but every one ended up back in the same seats! It will be interesting times for sunny coast clubs - the work situation is dire and certainly difficult to attract really good footballers without security of employment.

which is why maroochydore has been focussed on developing really good footballers out of under 16s, into under 18s then seniors. In direct contrast to noosa, who played 1 or 2 under 18s up last year, alot of the better 18s had the opportunity to experience senior footy in 2012.

what really does sh!t me to tears, is when you get the clubs like caloundra sniffing around throwing out money to 18 and 19 year old kids to go and play with them in whatever division they are in this year, when really those kids should be trying to aspire to play the highest standard they can, not run around for $100 a game in a grade that is 2 standards under where they should be.

 

[PIES11]

Agree totally

which is why maroochydore has been focussed on developing really good footballers out of under 16s, into under 18s then seniors. In direct contrast to noosa, who played 1 or 2 under 18s up last year, alot of the better 18s had the opportunity to experience senior footy in 2012.

what really does sh!t me to tears, is when you get the clubs like caloundra sniffing around throwing out money to 18 and 19 year old kids to go and play with them in whatever division they are in this year, when really those kids should be trying to aspire to play the highest standard they can, not run around for $100 a game in a grade that is 2 standards under where they should be.

Agree totally.. but my worry for Maroochydores 'developement' policy is that they are going to lose there best 4-8 kids to State league. Which is a positive for the club, as producing the best junior footballers is what it is all about. Whether this will prove to help success at pineapple cup level I just dont know?? The big challenges to hold any talented kid is Uni, work, and most of all motivation. The kids who want to go somewhere with there footy will need to perform at a 'state league level. I can understand a player in there mid 20s leaving for money but to offer young kids money in lesser leagues pisses me off as well. What is James Page doing next year? I heard he may be off to find work in the mines??

 

[amarooplace]

Agree totally
Agree totally.. but my worry for Maroochydores 'developement' policy is that they are going to lose there best 4-8 kids to State league. Which is a positive for the club, as producing the best junior footballers is what it is all about. Whether this will prove to help success at pineapple cup level I just dont know?? The big challenges to hold any talented kid is Uni, work, and most of all motivation. The kids who want to go somewhere with there footy will need to perform at a 'state league level. I can understand a player in there mid 20s leaving for money but to offer young kids money in lesser leagues pisses me off as well. What is James Page doing next year? I heard he may be off to find work in the mines??

Maybe you do lose a few to state league clubs. But send them off with the clubs blessing and welcome them back with open arms when they're ready to move back to the coast or are sicking of driving down the highway to training. Plus for each one you lose there's bound to be another 2-3 that hang around. Don't think there's any doubt this is the sensible approach for sustained success. Yep, you'll need to top up with a few recruits, plus you'll get the usual blow ins that just pass through for a year or so, but you need a core of players (in both 1s & 2s) that have come through the junior ranks.

And s36.... I certianly wouldn't be trying to sink the boot into the way Noosa go about things. When you consider their consistency over the past 6 years, think they've gone about things pretty well.

 

[smy1305]

Have to agree Amaroo - Noosa are a yard stick IMO for the Roos to aspire to. Leave the door open for the best kids to have a crack at the top level and realise they should come back better players for the exeprience. Certainly Noosa have spent some $$ but it took Maroochydore a long time, in fact fold completely as a football club, and then spend ridiculous $$ with no success during the mid 2000's before they took this local kids philosophy a few years back and realised that paying blokes was unsustainable with the turnover they generate. Noosa are in a far better situation money wise and it has to be said too (imagine a Noosa person will get the facts a bit more right) that they still played a number of 18's this year and previous (just not the obvious 2 blokes, Tickner and Freeman). Have to remember that Noosa's senior side was significantly more difficult to get into than Maroochys as well.

Caloundra paying $$ to untried kids.... who would have thought?? Suppose everyone does what is right for themselves but there is a reason why some clubs are where they are.

 

[smy1305]

Agree totally
Agree totally.. but my worry for Maroochydores 'developement' policy is that they are going to lose there best 4-8 kids to State league. Which is a positive for the club, as producing the best junior footballers is what it is all about. Whether this will prove to help success at pineapple cup level I just dont know?? The big challenges to hold any talented kid is Uni, work, and most of all motivation. The kids who want to go somewhere with there footy will need to perform at a 'state league level. I can understand a player in there mid 20s leaving for money but to offer young kids money in lesser leagues pisses me off as well. What is James Page doing next year? I heard he may be off to find work in the mines??

How is this different to any club trying to develop good footballers OP? Its purely a numbers game - get as many good boys as you can continuing on with footy and the odds say 90% will stay put. The SC Uni is certainly a drawcard too now and keeps boys on the coast a bit longer. Not sure there will be 4-8 boys travelling down the highway next year either. Many kids don't realise the gulf bn PHC and State league footy. It is a considerable jump.

 

[noosaboy]

According to Noosa website, they have lost Bova, Trompf, Brewster and McIttrick for next year. Probably four of their most important. Added to Bruer and Matthews last year, they have lost some serious talent. They seem pretty good at recruiting to replace, cant wait to see if they can do it again, or maybe Noosa slip a little?

Yeah that is correct.Bova and mckinntrick gone to Kalgoorlie and Brewster coaching in country victoria.Massive losses to the tigers.Not sure about trompfy,last heard he is staying.Only recruited one player from outside the club in 2012 and he left half way through year.Finished 3rd spending far less than the previous 2 years(Matthews and Brew departing helped)and were stiff with key injuries to later part of year.Recruiting will be extremely difficult IMO due to the lack of trade work on Coast however with all these highly credentialled players leaving it frees up money the club can dangle at quality recruits.Have to wait and see!

 

[noosaboy]

Official, he has been appointed, he beat 8 top shelf applicants. Noosa already decided to retain the services of fletcher. Not sure Noosa has the same money floating around they have had previously, and with a serious lack of work on the coast may struggle to replace the guys named as leaving. Will be interesting to see if any disgruntled ex or even current Noosa players follow Maloney down the highway.

Great appointment by the roos.Brett is highly respected at Noosa as a person and the feeling among the tiger faithfull is "well done" and "good luck" to him.Good senior coaching opportunities are rare up here.He is an outstanding coach,his planning and organising the best I have come across and will convey the message easily.Don`t be surprised if a Hicks and a Sawers follow him down the road.Although with the Roos payment scheme being limited to cash incentives only(at least 10 years behind the times even in this comp`)recruiting quality players will be near impossible.

 

[s364376]

Maybe you do lose a few to state league clubs. But send them off with the clubs blessing and welcome them back with open arms when they're ready to move back to the coast or are sicking of driving down the highway to training. Plus for each one you lose there's bound to be another 2-3 that hang around. Don't think there's any doubt this is the sensible approach for sustained success. Yep, you'll need to top up with a few recruits, plus you'll get the usual blow ins that just pass through for a year or so, but you need a core of players (in both 1s & 2s) that have come through the junior ranks.

And s36.... I certianly wouldn't be trying to sink the boot into the way Noosa go about things. When you consider their consistency over the past 6 years, think they've gone about things pretty well.

sorry buddy, i think you misunderstood what i meant about noosa. from my understanding, this year only 1 under 18 kid got the opportunity to train/play seniors, where has in the past they have had a much better pathway for kids to come through.

agree that they are the benchmark, for all things football club related. they run a very professional show up there, without the assistance of a leagus club like many other clubs in our league.

 

[smy1305]

Great appointment by the roos.Brett is highly respected at Noosa as a person and the feeling among the tiger faithfull is "well done" and "good luck" to him.Good senior coaching opportunities are rare up here.He is an outstanding coach,his planning and organising the best I have come across and will convey the message easily.Don`t be surprised if a Hicks and a Sawers follow him down the road.Although with the Roos payment scheme being limited to cash incentives only(at least 10 years behind the times even in this comp`)recruiting quality players will be near impossible.

But you know that when the players do come they will be playing for the right reasons NB. Maroochy haven't suffered for decent recruits over the past couple of years without splashing $$ around. I think you spend what you can afford which isn't a philosophy often followed by local AFL clubs across Australia hence why many go belly up or wallow in their own misery for a period of time. I've never understood though why the best player in your team shouldn't get paid the most followed by the next best etc - that judgment call isn't made by the player himself but by the coaching staff in the way they hand awards out. One of the other good reasons to minimise player payments as a "contract arrangement" is to prevent friction within. And the best reason IMO is that in the end, nearly every AFL club in Australia has pariahs that demand $$ and play like crap. This bloke might be the 15-20th best player in your side and getting paid $200/wk bc that was the original agreement. The club has nowhere to go really.

Agree its unusual for any club at PHC level to be working on this basis - but have a look at Coolangatta right now as a club who has f'd up massively. Players walk away, move to the next highest bidder, its left to club stalwarts (like yourself) to clean the mess up usually for the club to continue. IMO at local footy level the pendulum needs to swing back to the clubs favour - paying blokes $400+ to train a couple sessions a week and play at PHC level on a weekend is just ludicrous. AFL footy is the one so called "business" that very rarely works on business philosophies when it comes to paying its employees from my experience. When was the last time a cost/benefit analysis was done on a footy clubs players budget??

 

[smy1305]

Great appointment by the roos.Brett is highly respected at Noosa as a person and the feeling among the tiger faithfull is "well done" and "good luck" to him.Good senior coaching opportunities are rare up here.He is an outstanding coach,his planning and organising the best I have come across and will convey the message easily.Don`t be surprised if a Hicks and a Sawers follow him down the road.Although with the Roos payment scheme being limited to cash incentives only(at least 10 years behind the times even in this comp`)recruiting quality players will be near impossible.

And give up a lucrative umpiring career?? Surely not!

If those 2 did make their way down the motorway they would be seriously good footballers to pick up. The best fwd and one of the best midfielders I've played/coached with.

 

[switchingplay]

I see Springwood due to start pre season training today,WTF!. Cmon fellas some AFL clubs havent gone back yet. Im sure we will hear all the reports on here that there were 60 on the track and flying. In a comp thats not even semi professional thats a big ask. Ide more more interested to know how many at training in the middle of June! To start this early you'd wanna make sure you get off to a flyer. Good luck to them though!

 

[Lensen]

I see Springwood due to start pre season training today,WTF!. Cmon fellas some AFL clubs havent gone back yet. Im sure we will hear all the reports on here that there were 60 on the track and flying. In a comp thats not even semi professional thats a big ask. Ide more more interested to know how many at training in the middle of June! To start this early you'd wanna make sure you get off to a flyer. Good luck to them though!

???

most clubs would run a 1-2 times a week thing from November to CHristmas I would've thought?

 

[s364376]

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most clubs would run a 1-2 times a week thing from November to CHristmas I would've thought?

Depends on what you are doing. The clubs that don't play finals have been away from footy for a month more than the grand finalists, so most blokes hanging to get the footy back in the hands and have a kick.

If you are running time trials and doing beep tests, I would agree with switchy. If you are having a group long run, followed by some kicking drills and or a game of touch, nothing wrong with that I would think.

 

[Lensen]

Depends on what you are doing. The clubs that don't play finals have been away from footy for a month more than the grand finalists, so most blokes hanging to get the footy back in the hands and have a kick.

If you are running time trials and doing beep tests, I would agree with switchy. If you are having a group long run, followed by some kicking drills and or a game of touch, nothing wrong with that I would think.

yeah, you're probably right. i don't know what we're doing, to be fair (it starts this week not last night). its probably different for us to that have been unsuccessful for so long that there's probably more desperation to try and do extra where we can, i guess?

 

[s364376]

yeah, you're probably right. i don't know what we're doing, to be fair (it starts this week not last night). its probably different for us to that have been unsuccessful for so long that there's probably more desperation to try and do extra where we can, i guess?

Know the feeling.....

 

[noosaboy]

Know the feeling.....

It`s cricket season guys.I`d be spending more time on recruiting than worrying about getting a footy in my hands at this level and at this time of the year.I see maroochy have appointed steve moody as under 18s coach for 2013.He and brett maloney will work really well together as they did at noosa some years ago.We need an under 18 coach at noosa so has anyone got the maroochy under 18 premiership coach from this years phone number.Be interested in giving him a call!

 

[2010premier]

Great appointment by the roos.Brett is highly respected at Noosa as a person and the feeling among the tiger faithfull is "well done" and "good luck" to him.Good senior coaching opportunities are rare up here.He is an outstanding coach,his planning and organising the best I have come across and will convey the message easily.Don`t be surprised if a Hicks and a Sawers follow him down the road.Although with the Roos payment scheme being limited to cash incentives only(at least 10 years behind the times even in this comp`)recruiting quality players will be near impossible.

A couple of the Gold Coast teams are doing cash incentives only including Surfers who played finals last year. It is probably a good method in the current economic climate which is hurting all footy clubs in SE QLD. I disagree that responsible player payment management is 10 years behind the times

 

[2010premier]

It`s cricket season guys.I`d be spending more time on recruiting than worrying about getting a footy in my hands at this level and at this time of the year.I see maroochy have appointed steve moody as under 18s coach for 2013.He and brett maloney will work really well together as they did at noosa some years ago.We need an under 18 coach at noosa so has anyone got the maroochy under 18 premiership coach from this years phone number.Be interested in giving him a call!

As for compulsory pre season training- its a tough ask to make guys playing pretty much for love to put in a 5 month pre season. But if the players want to get together 1-2 times a week to do some weights, kick the footy or go for a run then go for it

 

[smy1305]

A couple of the Gold Coast teams are doing cash incentives only including Surfers who played finals last year. It is probably a good method in the current economic climate which is hurting all footy clubs in SE QLD. I disagree that responsible player payment management is 10 years behind the times

I agree 2010 - in fact I think it is the way the modern, responsible football clubs should be heading. Surfers and Maroochy are reasonably similar clubs in terms of where they have been (both reasonably successful over the past decade without actually cracking a premiership, both nearly sending themselves bankrupt at different times, Surfers doing their recovery thru the division below, Maroochy battling along in Div 1) and what they are currently doing right now to get themselves back on to level terms. Surfers is no doubt in front of the Roos based on 2012 results but seems like good ppl and smart ppl are in charge at both clubs.

 

[smy1305]

I see Uni in, noone out to Div 1. Good to have the academics back!!

 

[thebazza]

I see the Roos new coach was on a massive recruting drive in Brisbane this weekend!! Morningside players, ex Lions and even cricketers were on the hit list!!! At least thats what i saw, or was i just drunk!!!