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Interesting forward set up looming. It looks as though Vardy is about to be playing the role he's best accustomed to.

A fairy high appraisal of Kersten in that article, definitely has the talent, let's hope he get's the results.
 
If you were to take a more pessimistic view, having our two power forwards with injury concerns and the other go-to forward untried is a bit of a concern.

Vards didn't appear to be hampered by his issues late in the year, so that's encouraging. Let's hope the extended rest is what Hawk needed as he will be more important to our structure than ever before. Kersto has the talent and deserves to be given his time in the sun.
 

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So are we expecting Vardy to play as permanent forward from next year on wards? I like it but are our rucks a bit thin with two injury plagued guys in Simpson, McIntosh, and Blicavs?
 
Kersten could have a huge year. Hawkins and Vardy are huge forwards. Opposition defenders will be drawn to them and this creates opportunities for Kersten to lead hard and fast to get the space he needs.

Both Menzel and Kersten are very hard match-ups. Lets hope they get some games.

Out of all our young players, I'm most excited about Kersten for next year.
 
If Kersten can get a bit fitter he will be a gun 3rd tall

I still prefer Vardy as second ruck but MC will probably go Hawkins/Vardy/Kersten forwards with Vardy doing some ruck work in the forward half.

Blicavs as second ruck probably leaves West on the list as backup. Still think Blicavs needs a few more weapons to be regular best 22.
 
rooie said:
which is what a few of us were calling for since about round 15. that said....the article is dated october 14th....i know i have had a few drinks but i am pretty sure i didnt pass out for the whole weekend.
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Does the team need a full preseason to "rejig" a setup?. Cause I agree teh brave move would have been to alter the setup , even when were winning. Yes we only missed by 6 points but we had several "amber lights" thru the season that or structure was not quite right.

Pods could have played more down back , as was originally planed. They could have given a run to variations on Kersten/Vardy/Hawkins/Brown/Walker.

I will concede our rucks stymied us in 2013. The best we looked in my opinion was with Simpson , yet (without looking up the stats) 2 of our biggest disappointing losses happened with him in the side. . Its one of the reasons why I feel our biggest area of need is midfield.

The other question in the forward setup is who rucks when Hmac and Simpson is fit. Perhaps they will try both Simpson mainly on ball , Hmac forward.

The issue with Kersten is not talent although he is no athletic specimen , at 190 his the height of a modern mid. Have a look at this years draft guys like Acres and Bomptepelli are 190+. He will come up against taller , quicker , more dangerous opponents but probably even more daunting , a tougher tighter game. Watch VFL and the space is apparent. AFL simply has no space unless its a fast break.

So I feel Kersten will rely on upfield delivery & upfield identification , far more than a player who can take a pack mark. Our on ballers will have to be better , in hitting up and our forward setup will have to more mobile.

He is very talented in a football sense. I have always loved convertors. Max efficiency. They win games for you that you are probably not really in. What we have here is a Tex Walker / Jason Dunstall type. And it will be interesting to watch us change to enable him
 
VEEDUBS said:
What about me??
aka Mitch Brown?
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Too true. My opinion for while has been work rate. I want to see his stats. If he could run like Blitz..no thats unrealistic but if could up his work rate to play wing more he would fit AFL more. He is like Mackie , he is not at his best under the ball either end.

But if we are going rejig it Brown should be looked at at some stage. I don't see the type of mongrel in him that make a natural defender. The truth is if he been frustrated by being beaten and whacked someone , he would probably have more appeal. Compare him to Scott Thompson. Who has more talent?

This preseason he should be running his guts out , he should be in every group with Blitz and stay with him till he bursts. Im confident , if he works harder he will get to more contests and will get more chances to show his assets.
 
Looking forward to watching Kersto next year.

Has big raps on him, hope he fires!
 
AlterRob said:
So are we expecting Vardy to play as permanent forward from next year on wards? I like it but are our rucks a bit thin with two injury plagued guys in Simpson, McIntosh, and Blicavs?
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With the rotations capped at 120 next year it's most likely that ruckman will need to play the majority of game time and the 2nd ruck position will be taken up by a R/F like Vardy.
This suits Blicavs as the 3rd man up and running ability.
 

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I have no doubt Kersten will do well. That said , book him 20 games now. Not 2 weeks in then dropped back again. He works off confidence and consistency. He will just need time. And he is different to pods. I think he will need hawki s to be there however. Hawk must draw the best defender and the 3rd man as well. Kersten will do fine one on one.

Turbocat notes on supply must be adhered to as well. He is not a drop it on his end type either. Hands out in front on a lead. Mids... Drop your vision. It's October, you have 6 months to practice it.

Go Catters
 
Turbocat said:
Too true. My opinion for while has been work rate. I want to see his stats. If he could run like Blitz..no thats unrealistic but if could up his work rate to play wing more he would fit AFL more. He is like Mackie , he is not at his best under the ball either end.

But if we are going rejig it Brown should be looked at at some stage. I don't see the type of mongrel in him that make a natural defender. The truth is if he been frustrated by being beaten and whacked someone , he would probably have more appeal. Compare him to Scott Thompson. Who has more talent?

This preseason he should be running his guts out , he should be in every group with Blitz and stay with him till he bursts. Im confident , if he works harder he will get to more contests and will get more chances to show his assets.
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Scotty Thompson has more talent. A very underrated player, evidently. He was excellent as Geelong VFL player, and now his whole package is elite- excellent mark, great defender, exciting and attacking run off defence, able to go forward and kick Mackie-like goals, he is not the guy to compare to Brown, but what about Gunston?
I rate Thompson along with Harry Taylor, and have done so for a while.
But I also like Brown - he has skill, but no mongrel, but should now go back to where he is most dangerous- floating forward, with the height and goal kicking prowess to worry the 3rd defender.
 
Hopefully now with 4 more senior spots open and the veteran rotations and management to continue, the consistency will allow the younger guys to get into a rhythm. By right there is about 80 games of opportunity there now. Let see brown, poodle, Kersten, smedts, hyphen stringer, thurlow, bews get a good feed of those.
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I really hope Kersten comes up trumps for us. But I am not sold just yet. Would prefer to wait on an assessment until he has played an AFL game or two. Well I think at least 10-15 senior games.

Looking good in the VFL can mean little - as seen with Brown and West. Big step up to AFL.

Yes we need some of our young guns to step up and from our last team selection (against Hawks) we will lose JHunt, Pods and Corey (with Chappy suspended). We get back Boris - so two positions definitely up for grabs.

Vardy takes pods place, Simpson takes Vardy spot in the ruck and that leaves Corey's midfield spot open. You would think GHS would get first crack and then Schroder. And surely Caddy will get more time in the midfield and not be a sub.

That is not a huge change in the team in numbers at least.

Who goes out for Kersten ? Will Bartel play forward - if so then it is even harder to get a possie for Kersten. Maybe Murdoch ? I think The MC like Murdoch and want to give him some more AFL exposure.

So it seems more likely Kersten will get some AFL exposure but maybe not as much as some would like. Much depends on Hawkins injury and Vardy's form as a forward.
 
^Murda to the wing

I see our team next year as being:

FB: Rivers/Brown, Lonergan, Guthrie
HB: Enright, Taylor, Mackie
C: Duncan, Caddy, Murdoch
HF: Motlop, Vardy, Christensen
FF: Kersten, Hawkins, Stokes
R: Simpson, Selwood, Johnson
I/C: Bartel, Kelly, Horlin-Smith, Varcoe
 

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VEEDUBS said:
What about me??
aka Mitch Brown?
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A few of us here have been singing that song for some time. While there are plenty of examples of forwards being successfully turned into backs, Mitch has played nearly all his senior football forward and seems more comfortable there. Certainly reads the play better from there. That ship seems to have sailed though. His ship might have sailed as far as another club, sadly.
Turbocat said:
So I feel Kersten will rely on upfield delivery & upfield identification , far more than a player who can take a pack mark. Our on ballers will have to be better , in hitting up and our forward setup will have to more mobile.
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Kersto isn’t a one trick pony. He is a more than handy contested mark for his size and because he kicks like a mule can play high forward.

I’ve been a rap for him for ages and still think he has the makings. I was really disappointed with his VFL GF outing though. All players can have off days when things don’t fall their way. But effort is unconditional and it was his lack of effort in the GF that disappointed. Seems from a couple of quotes from Amos that might be something that has been added to his to-do list by the club.
 
VEEDUBS said:
Scotty Thompson has more talent....
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Disagree but thats OK , its why were all here. Id put Brown well ahead of him football skill , and bit ahead on talent but ... thats like having a fridge and pantry full of ingredients , and not knowing or having the willingness to use them.

Right now i see him as a very good chance to be another Tenace , as in , an early pick wasted.
 
Nicko29 said:
^Murda to the wing

I see our team next year as being:

FB: Rivers/Brown, Lonergan, Guthrie
HB: Enright, Taylor, Mackie
C: Duncan, Caddy, Murdoch
HF: Motlop, Vardy, Christensen
FF: Kersten, Hawkins, Stokes
R: Simpson, Selwood, Johnson
I/C: Bartel, Kelly, Horlin-Smith, Varcoe
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I agree with this but I think we should give Enright some games off for Thurlow maybe


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Rainfall said:
I agree with this but I think we should give Enright some games off for Thurlow maybe


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Yeah could see Enright, Mackie and Varcoe being rotated with Thurlow and Kelly with Schroder, but come finals I'd think we'd be playing something like this team.
 
AM , not a one trick pony but I do feel his bread and butter will not be pack marks. Its nearly always the 2nd and 3rd tricks so to speak that separates the good ones. , cause once he starts kicking goals one way there will be counter measures established.
What he need will be possessions in hand get 5 a game and his effectiveness will be borderline. If he can get 8-12 , ideally within 60...watchout.
 

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