Sharma is a knob.

[Philhawk]

do you honestly believe Lee intended to throw the ball at Dravid Phil?

Er, yes. He threw it at the stumps knowing that Dravid was well within the crease and was in between him and the stumps.

In a series where the Aussie team has been branded arrogant and un-sporstmanlike , to me it has been the likes of Sharma, Kumble, Pathan , Harbajhan that have been unsportsmanlike here this year .

You're just throwing up names, NMFC?

Harbhajan - obviously, but where have Sharma, Kumble and Pathan have been 'unsportsmanlike'?

i just wish the anti-australian sentiment of australians on here could do the same for their country

Meaning?

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

I'm happy to admit when a player, Indian or Australia, is being a w***er, as you put it, Paddy.

But the fact remains that no-one has told me in this thread where Sharma has exemplified that trait.

He was accused of 'doing the wiggles' to a batsman and pointing at the pavillion (which was proven to be untrue and a joke between him and Harbhajan).

He was accused of being 'unsportsmanlike' when celebrating the wicket of an Australian batsmen. The fact remains, he started yelling in obvious joy and looked the batsmen in the eye and approached Gilchrist and Symonds after their wickets fell and shook their hands.

If that's a sign of a bowler 'being a w***er', then you'll find 99% of all international bowlers are just that - w***ers.

If we're going to discuss being petty, then why shouldn't Lee be brought up?

You'll find for starters that it was only brought up after childish insults were thrown at the Indian batsmen for simply either celebrating a wicket or their act of celebrating the wicket.

You tell me what's worse. 'Yelling' at a batsman after he's gotten out, or throwing a ball at an unsuspecting batsmen at the beginning of his innings whilst he's trying to maintain his concentration?

Notice the shot that Dravid played the next ball after the ball was thrown at him? A failed attempted drive at a very wide ball outside the off-stump. Any guesses as to why there was that lapse in concetration?

that is a piss weak argument Phil, if Mitchell Johnson was carrying on like Sharma after a wicket, you would be the first to notice he is being a bit of a knob . When it is one of your own, you swiftly bring up some sort of argument about another player . Hayden is a legend of cricket now, and when Sharma bowled him, he showed no sort of respect at all . Could you imagine if Tait bowled Tendulkar like that , and got in his face, Phil and the rest of the anti australians here would be all over Tait double standards here

 

[Philhawk]

that is a piss weak argument Phil, if Mitchell Johnson was carrying on like Sharma after a wicket, you would be the first to notice he is being a bit of a knob . When it is one of your own, you swiftly bring up some sort of argument about another player .

I do? You're just another example of a poster who is all talk.

Want to point out where i've done that? If piss-weak examples of 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' are going to be brought up, it's all well and good to ignore it when it's your own, isn't it?

Hayden is a legend of cricket now, and when Sharma bowled him, he showed no sort of respect at all .

What did you want him to do? Give him a hug? He looked him in the eye and celebrated exuberantly after getting him with a beautiful ball.

Could you imagine if Tait bowled Tendulkar like that , and got in his face, Phil and the rest of the anti australians here would be all over Tait double standards here

To put it bluntly, you're full of crap. Anti-Australian? That seems to be a common theme in your posting as a retort to those you disagree with.

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

Er, yes. He threw it at the stumps knowing that Dravid was well within the crease and was in between him and the stumps.



You're just throwing up names, NMFC?

Harbhajan - obviously, but where have Sharma, Kumble and Pathan have been 'unsportsmanlike'?



Meaning?

Sharma- carries on like a knob when he gets a wicket , refuses to walk when clearly out
Kumble- accuses opposition team of playing out of the spirit ofthe game, bit rich coming from him.
Pathan- are u kidding Phil ? he has played in two tests an been in many incidents already

 

[Philhawk]

Sharma- carries on like a knob when he gets a wicket , refuses to walk when clearly out

Er, the game was over. He was the last wicket. What did you want him to do? Run off the field quickly so the next batsman cou... oh wait.

Kumble- accuses opposition team of playing out of the spirit ofthe game, bit rich coming from him.

That's great. You've tried to accuse Kumble of being unsportsmanlike by using the example of him accusing the opposition of being unsportsmanlike.

I've heard it all.

Pathan- are u kidding Phil ? he has played in two tests an been in many incidents already

What part of giving examples is that hard to understand?

Saying "Are you kidding ... he's been in many ..." isn't an example.

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

I do? You're just another example of a poster who is all talk.

Want to point out where i've done that? If piss-weak examples of 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' are going to be brought up, it's all well and good to ignore it when it's your own, isn't it?



What did you want him to do? Give him a hug? He looked him in the eye and celebrated exuberantly after getting him with a beautiful ball.



To put it bluntly, you're full of crap. Anti-Australian? That seems to be a common theme in your posting as a retort to those you disagree with.

i'm all talk am i? would you like to meet in person Phil ? that would be my pleasure I am calling you anti australian because you never contribute to any positive threads about the australian team , you live on the negatives ( and there are many like you on here, even 'so-called' australians) PS. calling someone full of crap isnt against the new rules of the cricket forum now is it Phil?

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

Er, the game was over. He was the last wicket. What did you want him to do? Run off the field quickly so the next batsman cou... oh wait.



That's great. You've tried to accuse Kumble of being unsportsmanlike by using the example of him accusing the opposition of being unsportsmanlike.

I've heard it all.



What part of giving examples is that hard to understand?

Saying "Are you kidding ... he's been in many ..." isn't an example.

ok, the confrontations with Clarke and Ponting , he wasnt even bowling but made it his duty to come from deep in the field to mouth off and get under the batsmen's skins .

 

[mark73]

do you honestly believe Lee intended to throw the ball at Dravid Phil? or the wickets as so many bowlers in history have done so? In a series where the Aussie team has been branded arrogant and un-sporstmanlike , to me it has been the likes of Sharma, Kumble, Pathan , Harbajhan that have been unsportsmanlike here this year . Add in M.Clarke for not walking when caught at 2nd slip and that is 4 to 1 , India are a disgrace when it comes to behaviour , i commend you for sticking up for your team , even when it has been a disgrace Phil , i just wish the anti-australian sentiment of australians on here could do the same for their country

What have they done to be "un sportsmanlike" ?

 

[Philhawk]

i'm all talk am i? would you like to meet in person Phil ? that would be my pleasure I am calling you anti australian because you never contribute to any positive threads about the australian team , you live on the negatives ( and there are many like you on here, even 'so-called' australians) PS. calling someone full of crap isnt against the new rules of the cricket forum now is it Phil?

Never contribute anything postive? Another example of rubbish coming from your mouth.

Want to find an example, champ?

As for calling someone 'full of crap'? If it's not justified, then sure, it's within the rules - but calling someone unjustifiedly 'anti-australian' isn't.

ok, the confrontations with Clarke and Ponting , he wasnt even bowling but made it his duty to come from deep in the field to mouth off and get under the batsmen's skins .

So you've dropped the Sharma and Kumble complaints already?

As for Pathan, let's now lie, shall we?

It was a confrontation with Ponting, not Clarke.

Ponting had something to say to Clarke after Harbhajan bumped into him, Pathan came in to help his bowler out.

You're right - real unsportsmanlike of him.

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

Never contribute anything postive? Another example of rubbish coming from your mouth.

Want to find an example, champ?

As for calling someone 'full of crap'? If it's not justified, then sure, it's within the rules - but calling someone unjustifiedly 'anti-australian' isn't.



So you've dropped the Sharma and Kumble complaints already?

As for Pathan, let's now lie, shall we?

It was a confrontation with Ponting, not Clarke.

Ponting had something to say to Clarke after Harbhajan bumped into him, Pathan came in to help his bowler out.

You're right - real unsportsmanlike of him.

Kumble, Sharma , Pathan and Harbajhan have all acted in a manner not suited for test cricket this summer believe it or not Phil i should not have to point out things to you, that you already know have happened, you know of all the times when the australians have done wrong, so you should pick up on the Indians . gotta run Phil , i am going for my daily exercise now, if you would like to continue this argument in person? just give me a private message have a nice day Phil

 

[Philhawk]

Kumble, Sharma , Pathan and Harbajhan have all acted in a manner not suited for test cricket this summer believe it or not Phil i should not have to point out things to you, that you already know have happened, you know of all the times when the australians have done wrong, so you should pick up on the Indians . gotta run Phil , i am going for my daily exercise now, if you would like to continue this argument in person? just give me a private message have a nice day Phil

Oh dear, that's just pathetically poor.

Can't give examples so you cop out.

So be it.

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

Oh dear, that's just pathetically poor.

Can't give examples so you cop out.

So be it.

i am not copping out Phil, i dont have all day to spend in front of PC like you do, i told you, if you like we can continue this in person? , i said goodbye and have a nice day Phil no need for smart alec comments when i leave this time eh

 

[mark73]

Kumble, Sharma , Pathan and Harbajhan have all acted in a manner not suited for test cricket this summer believe it or not Phil i should not have to point out things to you, that you already know have happened, you know of all the times when the australians have done wrong, so you should pick up on the Indians . gotta run Phil , i am going for my daily exercise now, if you would like to continue this argument in person? just give me a private message have a nice day Phil

I'd love to know what the **** you're talking about.

You're not making any sense. Thanks for the run down of your day, not sure what I'm supposed to do with it but I'm still to know what Pathan and Sharma have done that is un sportsmanlike. Irfan Pathan is pretty much a stock standard cricketer who can do most things ok but nothing really well. Ishant Sharma is a 19 year old kid who worked out a plan to get Ponting out and succeeded. I'd be over the moon at his age too. You're making a big deal out of nothing.

Even if he was being a smartarse, which I doubt, he'll be found out soon enough anyway. Cricket is no different to AFL. Take your eye off the ball and, LOOK OUT!!

 

[Philhawk]

i am not copping out Phil, i dont have all day to spend in front of PC like you do, i told you, if you like we can continue this in person? , i said goodbye and have a nice day Phil no need for smart alec comments when i leave this time eh

Ah, that's rich.

I'm sorry, but you've decided to cop out and inexplicably decided to compensate by giving people a run down of your day.

 

[ssfc0203]

He's an awesome bowler who's on his first tour of Australia, has taken the wickets of some of the best batsmen in the world and churned up amazing spells like a man possesed.
Can you tell me that glaring at a bowler you got out on a pearler and ten leaving it is worse than standing stick straight with your arms out wide in an 'I am the King of the World' impersonation, followed by a bog standard chainsaw.

He's young, he has purpose, he has agression and he's going to be the cut of the best in a few years to come; anything else is a side dish.

 

[TheBushranger]

I do? You're just another example of a poster who is all talk.

Want to point out where i've done that? If piss-weak examples of 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' are going to be brought up, it's all well and good to ignore it when it's your own, isn't it?



What did you want him to do? Give him a hug? He looked him in the eye and celebrated exuberantly after getting him with a beautiful ball.



To put it bluntly, you're full of crap. Anti-Australian? That seems to be a common theme in your posting as a retort to those you disagree with.

I thought we were trying to lift the standards of posting on the cricket board. I would have got banned if I had said something like that.

By the way, you are speaking rubbish. Sharma was unsportsmanlike when he got Hayden. He eyeballed the guy. That is not on.

Karthik spat in Clarke's direction- what do you make of that? Is that sportsmanlike? What about the carry on when Clarke was given not out?

 

[TheBushranger]

Er, yes. He threw it at the stumps knowing that Dravid was well within the crease and was in between him and the stumps.



You're just throwing up names, NMFC?

Harbhajan - obviously, but where have Sharma, Kumble and Pathan have been 'unsportsmanlike'?



Meaning?

Sharma- his eyeballing of Hayden.
Kumble- his whining after the test saying we didn't play in the right spirit, when his team sent a player out with the wrong pair of gloves and his number 11 smashed a ball to slip and waited there, just like Clarke
Pathan- his reaction when he didn't get Hayden out

 

[mark73]

Harbhajan - obviously, but where have Sharma, Kumble and Pathan have been 'unsportsmanlike'?

Sharma hasn't been. But Kumble, surprisngly for me who has watched him play for a long time, should not have carried on the way he did after the second test. Regardless of whether it was at his will or someone else's. He should have disagreed. To this day I still don't believe he instigated any of that. It was totally out of character for him.

Australia's response to holding onto the trophy was always going to be festive. In the spirit of the game? Probably not. But that only seems to bother India when it's the opposition. I'm positive had India won the series they'd still be dead-eyed. It's one of those can't have your cake and eat it too situations along with the winners are grinners syndrome.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

India may have been competitive but can you show me the ICC rankings aswell. Has India produced the same results as Australia have against other teams? If they did than the Gavaskar/Border trophy would be massive. Australia have been miles ahead of everyone for a long time and that is why test cricket in the eyes of many has become broing. Maybe Australia have been pulled back a few rungs with Mcgrath, Warne and now Gilchrist all retiring. (Gilchrist was well past his best in this series) I don't think the gap is that great now, but I would like to see India become a superpower of test cricket, ust as Australia have been.

What India needs bozo, is some good fast bowlers that will make for good viewing rather than a spin attack that can put spectators to sleep. All aside, I really do hope Inda can rival Australia as the best cricket team in the world. Why is that being arrogant? Are you tying to say that the Indian cricket team overall, have been as good a Australia this decade? What are the overall results win loss draws against all teams? When India have produced results equal to Australia, over a period of five years, than this will be great for test cricket. If that makes me arrogant to want this, than maybe you don't really have a proper understanding of what arrogance is.

This doesn't make much sense. The most exciting Australian series have consistently been the Indian ones, and I don't see how anyone could deny that. Because of this, the Border/Gavaskar trophy is massive, second only to the Ashes for Australian matches. You want a good Indian fast bowler? Well he is 19 and you have shot him down. I don't understand the obsession on this board of bagging excellent players from other countries. Once again you have failed to acknowledge his examples of good sportsmanship which I mentioned in a previous post. And of course India haven't been as good as Australia, no one would be stupid enough to argue that. I am saying that they are the only country to consistently take it up to Australia and push them to the limit, but very few supporters here seem able to acknowledge that.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

So we have lost 1 series to them in India, in the last 4.

Have they ever gotten close to climbing over us at the top?

You haven't proven anything with that post just posted results from 4 series which really doesn't prove your point at all.

Cue rolled eyes and some avoiding of my question.

You could also say Australia have only won 2 out of 4. My point was that India is the only side which has been consistently competitive with Australia recently, a point no one seems willing to acknowledge

 

[NMFC ALWAYS]

Er, yes. He threw it at the stumps knowing that Dravid was well within the crease and was in between him and the stumps.



You're just throwing up names, NMFC?

Harbhajan - obviously, but where have Sharma, Kumble and Pathan have been 'unsportsmanlike'?



Meaning?

ikaw na mabahong indian itahimik mo yan mabaho **** bibig .....wala kang masabing matino ...... di ka nga marunong maligo eh....hahahaha

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

Um, you do realise thats one series loss in four?

Hardly a glowing endorsement for your end.

You also managed to leave out the series before 2001 in '99-'00 where Australia won 3-0.

A lot of people continually harp on about this 2001 series between Australia and India as though it was some kind of defining moment. It wasn't. At that point Australia hadn't won there since 1969. Since then, despite the media bullshit, India still haven't won in Australia.

I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Nothing has changed. And what I'm probably saying is there is no rivalry between Australia and India. Australia's rivals will always be England, and to lesser extents New Zealand and the West Indies. Harbhajan Singh being a smartmouth or Ricky Ponting not walking and the media preying on any response from whichever party isn't going to change that in the near future.

Maybe when India reach Australia's level on field and gain a similar amount of on field respect, there might be an argument for it. At the moment, it's not really a discussion point.

I also could have gone back to 97-98 where India won 2-1, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The fact is, as I have said many times, India has consistently challenged Australia, no one else has. I don't see how this could be denied by anyone.

The thing that really bothers me with this whole thread is that we have (I assume) grown adults slagging off a 19 year old kid. Lots of people are ignoring his acts of sportsmanship where he has shaken batsmens hands after they have played some good performances and are focusing on his celebrations. I am not defending him sending off batsmen, that is not cool, but I have an issue with people having a go at a kid. What were you all like when you were 19? Did you ever do something stupid and arrogant? Have you changed since then? That is why the Brett Lee examples from 03-04 are valid, because he is now an excellent cricketer and an excellent sportsman. Give Sharma a chance he is an exciting player and has shown examples of himself having excellent character.

 

[Paddywhackers]

You could also say Australia have only won 2 out of 4. My point was that India is the only side which has been consistently competitive with Australia recently, a point no one seems willing to acknowledge

I am not that big a gan of the Australian cricket team. I am quite happy to acknowledge that India have been competitive against Australia.

My point is, that I want Indian to rival Australia as a superpower. That means producing results against all test nations that are equal to Australia's. You think I am being arrogant to suggest this. Australia have in the time that you mention, produced 16, 16, and 11 straight test wins. And your telling me it is arrogant to suggest that I want India to challenge Australia as the games best creicket team in test cricket?

 

[Paddywhackers]

I also could have gone back to 97-98 where India won 2-1, but you have to draw the line somewhere. The fact is, as I have said many times, India has consistently challenged Australia, no one else has. I don't see how this could be denied by anyone.

The thing that really bothers me with this whole thread is that we have (I assume) grown adults slagging off a 19 year old kid. Lots of people are ignoring his acts of sportsmanship where he has shaken batsmens hands after they have played some good performances and are focusing on his celebrations. I am not defending him sending off batsmen, that is not cool, but I have an issue with people having a go at a kid. What were you all like when you were 19? Did you ever do something stupid and arrogant? Have you changed since then? That is why the Brett Lee examples from 03-04 are valid, because he is now an excellent cricketer and an excellent sportsman. Give Sharma a chance he is an exciting player and has shown examples of himself having excellent character.

That's why he need some of him more mature mates in the Indian cricket team to pull him into line. I have said throughout htis thread, that he is 19 and may mature, unitl than, someone needs to tell him not to send of blokes that have smashed a ton against him and his men. Is that so much to ask? Unitl than, in the eyes of epople like myself, he will come across as a knob.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

I am not that big a gan of the Australian cricket team. I am quite happy to acknowledge that India have been competitive against Australia.

My point is, that I want Indian to rival Australia as a superpower. That means producing results against all test nations that are equal to Australia's. You think I am being arrogant to suggest this. Australia have in the time that you mention, produced 16, 16, and 11 straight test wins. And your telling me it is arrogant to suggest that I want India to challenge Australia as the games best creicket team in test cricket?

I never called you arrogant so I don't know why you keep bringing that up. India have won recent series against Pakistan, England, Bangladesh, West Indies, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and South Africa. And have lost to South Africa and Australia and drawn New Zealand. Of course this doesn't match Australias record, but it is impressive. India are severely underrated on this board and I fail to understand what else they have to do to earn some respect. Maybe if they win back the Border Gavaskar trophy later this year they will gain some props.