Should we delist White?

[Punt Road Feral]

It seems opinions are pretty divided on here about him.
Do you think we should let go of him?

Personally i think we should. King and Nahas add more to the side than he does. He doesn't have a very good disposal and simply fades out of games far too often. At the age of 23 with 69 games under his belt you would expect him to have a better avg. of career disposals than 12.3 and even worse for the his season average is a little over 11.
He is also a downhill skier who may look good when things are going our way and he makes a few flashy uncontested runs down the wing but how many times do you see the guy stand up when things get tough?
To back this up in a majority of games hes played this year the good ones (for him which is mid-teens or more for disposals) is when the team plays well. Hawthorn 21, Port Adelaide 13, West Coast 16, Brisbane 15 and Fremantle 18.

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

but how many times do you see the guy stand up when things get tough?.

You know who's really impressed me with that this season? King. I've commented on it almost every week now, just when we look like going down the shitter he bobs up with a goal or a good piece of defensive play, becoming reliable is King.

As regards White, was a non-believer at the beginning of the season, started to sway me at the Port game, but fell off spectacularly since then. Hardwick might persist another year but he's not in the long term future of the club I wouldn't think. The real question is whether we can replace him through the draft or better yet, get some value with a trade.

 

[coke_zero]

He should be around next year before being pushed out of the team due to so many kids down at coburg earning games.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I'd keep him. Think he has reasonably good kicking skills. Not the most composed player going around though. But is quick, courageous and strong at ground level and capable of pretty good running passes to our forwards. I'd delist Nahas because he has pretty average kicking skills and is too easily pushed around while he doesn't position himself that well to crumb goals.

 

[shububu]

Of the three mentioned by the OP...White, King and Nahas i would hope at least 2 to be gone.

White turns back into trouble too much (although he has improved this a bit and has been taking the first option)

King has to be kept forward of the midfield for him to be of any use. Could be kept because of his hardness and is an annoying little shit which works in our favour if he doesnt give away silly frees.

Nahas is too small and although he can get the ball he is so light that opposition can stop him in his tracks...plus a pretty average shot on goal (would think he would be the first to go of these three)

...but to answer the question...yes...delist White

We have to continue with a proper cleanout or we will repeat the last 30 years. This draft will tell us a lot about Hardwick and whether he is serious or just treating the supporters like the insecure fatty in the corner at the pub, whispering sweet lies that we want to believe.

 

[ize_]

Why would we delist him now? He's had his best season and there's no reason to suggest he won't improve further. Been more impressive than King IMO, quick, strong, a good long kick and has got that half forward/wing role down pat. Bleeds yella and black too. I'd be very surprised if he got the chop.

 

[Spluff]

Hasn't improved since 2008, I'd dump him.

 

[Bazzar]

Hasn't improved since 2008, I'd dump him.

By that you mean he, just like the majority of our players had an ordinary year last year, but this year he has bounced back to his 2008 form. Thats no reason to dump him.

 

[metallichris]

Depth.

There's already a number of players that should be delisted before White. He's done enough to warrant a spot on the list for another year.

 

[Barnzy]

Delist/trade.

Exactly the type of player we need to move if we're serious about things instead of holding onto false hope for another year. 5 years in the system as a small mid/flanker, his time should be up. Will never be good enough.

 

[TigerTime88]

Delist/trade.

Exactly the type of player we need to move if we're serious about things instead of holding onto false hope for another year. Will never be good enough.

The op and Barnzy are spot on.

I am sorry MT but White cannot kick.

He has terrible skills, but the worst quality is that he is a huge front runner. Whenever we are struggling he is no where to be seen and really if we are to imrpvoe that is when we need a bottom 5 player to stand up...aka in the tough situations not when all is well.

Will only hold us back. Give Myles Sewell or a young kid a go for a year he is a hack and he doesn't find the footy enough.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

He'll be fine. Really lifted his game this year and has super pace. His 2009 was a disgrace but has turned it around. There are far worse players on our list than him. He also has a developed body which we will need for another long season with kids next year .

 

[Madison]

Just doesn't have enough of an impact throughout games.

At this point in his career, he should be able to get more than 10-15 possies in a game.

He isn't a KPD or a defensive forward or a tagger.

Does some nice things, is a good set shot, but he is never consistently good through a whole game. Which just isn't good enough when you are his size and have been in the system for so long.

It's a shame too cos you can see how passionate he is for the club.

 

[Madtiger2006]

The op and Barnzy are spot on.

I am sorry MT but White cannot kick.

He has terrible skills, but the worst quality is that he is a huge front runner. Whenever we are struggling he is no where to be seen and really if we are to imrpvoe that is when we need a bottom 5 player to stand up...aka in the tough situations not when all is well.

Will only hold us back. Give Myles Sewell or a young kid a go for a year he is a hack and he doesn't find the footy enough.

Provide me with examples of his bad kicking
I've never really considered his kicking a problem. I'm still not sure why and how people think he's a bad kick. Do they just make it up because it isn't overly composed under pressure? I've seen him give off the occasional bad handball or get caught in traffic. But kicking no. He's actually suprised me a few times the last 2 seasons with some of his 40m stab passes to a leading forward. He doesn't get alot of the ball but he will be more than handy depth and will improve with experience getting more involved in games

 

[ToroHombre]

Why the hell are we even having this conversation? White's really shown improvement this season, Nahas if anyone should be the one that we should be questioning.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

White will go around again surely.

I'd say it will be guys like him and Nahas who will have to have big years NEXT year to retain a spot for 2012....King might fall into that category as well if he has a real stinker next year too.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Short answer: Yes

Long Answer: 'ken oath yes

 

[Reckoner Tiger]

It seems opinions are pretty divided on here about him.
Do you think we should let go of him?

Personally i think we should. King and Nahas add more to the side than he does.

surely Nahas, at this stage, has shown less than White.
i'm an advocate to keep both of them, because theres a lot of room for improvement, but anybody talking up Nahas confuses me.
when he plays forward pocket, he kicks around 1 goal a game. not good enough.
when anywhere else, he gets less than 10 possies a game. just doesn't find the pill!

at the end of this year, McMahon, Thomson, Hislop, Simmonds, Cousins, Polo and Roberts go out the door. and thats being very conservative, with names like Polak possible.

i don't think theres a huge need to delist a great number of players other than those, and as such King, White and Nahas should, for now, all be retained.

EDIT: we also have to consider...is the person who gets the spot on the list now ahead of White, should he be delisted, likely to be better? i think its worth one more year to see if he can step up, rather than saying 'he's the type of player thats just not good enough' and settling for pick 80 instead.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

I'd keep Nahas ahead of White...wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over either of them though...

 

[Azzleberry]

Not sure about delist. Think that we could realistically get a pick between 40 and 60 for him from a St Kilda team who need pace or other top end teams. With players going to GC and the draft being diluted so much, clubs might look at White as a ready made replacement and depth cover... He really hasn't had that bad a season, so might have some value...
Remember, Taylor last year was a pick#50 odd, so that is potential of what we could replace White for...
Also, remember the Saints picked up Patto with a late pick after we delisted him!!

 

[TIAGRA]

no.
stupid.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

no.
stupid.

No stupid is somebody who rates White, but bags Foley. Laughable.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Don't see any value in Nahas - sure he's nippy, but what's the use of a crumbing forward who spends half his time on the ground due to slipping at crucial moments.

His ball use isn't good enough to be an outside mid, his finishing not good enough to be even a B Grade crumber, and he's not a big mark or strong enough to play taller or as an inside mid.

White on the other hand has a thumping kick that at least kicks to the forwards advantage side, he puts on the afterburners and gets away from tacklers and he's learnt this year. He's done enough to get another.

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

Don't see any value in Nahas - sure he's nippy, but what's the use of a crumbing forward who spends half his time on the ground due to slipping at crucial moments.

His ball use isn't good enough to be an outside mid, his finishing not good enough to be even a B Grade crumber, and he's not a big mark or strong enough to play taller or as an inside mid.

White on the other hand has a thumping kick that at least kicks to the forwards advantage side, he puts on the afterburners and gets away from tacklers and he's learnt this year. He's done enough to get another.

Agree with all of this. IMO definitely ahead of Nahas, who whilst nippy lacks the acceleration over first 20m to break into space...and does go to ground too often

 

[brjafi]

This thread is an insult on white, who is one of our best players this year and an insult on the intelligence of fans. Please save some dignity and close this thread before he reads it himself.