Skill Level

[pcara]

The one big question mark hanging over our head which will be a deciding factor whether we make the eight is our skill level and decision making.Our captain stated in yesterdays paper that they have been practicing their skills over summer.Well it doesn't show judging by our pre season games.
Too many blokes making the same skill errors.
Thoughts?

 

[David3030]

I used to think the same way as you but we are still 2 and a half weeks oiut from the first game ... forgewt the silly season .... our players are just starting to taper for the season proper.

As we taper to ensure we are as fit as we can be for the tankers the skill level will increase as we have been in a very fitness programme.

In other words as we train less to ensure maximum fitness for round 1 our players will be able to kick longer and handball better as the tiredness factor lessens.

 

[TigerAntho]

Not only wait till round 1, wait around 2-4 games in, then we can assess. However in saying that the game against the pies wasn't so encouraging...

 

[Truetiger]

Not only wait till round 1, wait around 2-4 games in, then we can assess. However in saying that the game against the pies wasn't so encouraging...

Geelong were not that encouraging either against carlton. So should they be worried.

 

[Richo URA Star]

A real concern that the same players miss targets and turnover the footy well before the real season starts.
I don't see them improving when the real season starts they will be under real pressure how will this miraculously fix the problem.
Seriously if they have been working on their skills during pre season why the **** do they continue to miss targets and turnover the footy.
Time to weed some of them out and replace them with skilled players who can hit targets. Turnovers are going to hurt us and will cost us games make no mistake.

 

[db26]

The one big question mark hanging over our head which will be a deciding factor whether we make the eight is our skill level and decision making.Our captain stated in yesterdays paper that they have been practicing their skills over summer.Well it doesn't show judging by our pre season games.
Too many blokes making the same skill errors.
Thoughts?

Agree this is the big Question .If we can get this right we can go places if not were in trouble.People saying wait to round 1 fair enough ,but skill problems have been with us for years so it's very common and as proffesional sports people it's not good enough that some players cant even do the most basic thing in footy kicking.

 

[AlexRance]

Terry has to of been training the boys non stop to get in perfect condition for round 1

 

[jackson_rules]

i cant remember a preseason, where we have had good speed. just wait for the season to start apprentices!!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Have a look at the last two years and compare one of our games for the first half of the year and the last half, then watch Geelong play.
In the first half of both the last two seasons our skills have looked shite and remarkably diferent in the last half, coincidentally in the first half we have F'd around with the aggot kicking wide and in the last half we have used the centre corridor, ala Geelong.

 

[santa claws]

hmm whats wrong with our list kicking size height you name it its not good.
it seems people are under the impression that kicking can be drastically improved i shake my head and wonder how long before the penny drops for these people, kicking skills cannot be fixed substantially. baically itf your a shite kick at 18 19 you will always be a shite kick. and yea theres the odd exception but in the main this rings true.

kicking wont improve this yr or next yr or the yr after not with the current bunch, hence we can continue to look forward to horrible footy chock full of turnovers.

after 26 yrs of making the same mistake you would thinkl the club would have learnt a lesson by now but alas the same old recruiting mistakes just keep on keeping on.

 

[Rayzorwire]

...in the last half we have used the centre corridor, ala Geelong.

How can that be so when you've repeatedly made posts like:

I personally believe our skills/ or lack of, is significantly contributed to lack of emphasis within our game plan to use the centre corridor.

If a coach is trying to drill his players to use the corridor, then they do so in the second half of the year and win 8/11 games, how can using the corridor not be a point of emphasis in that coach's gameplan?

Did the players decide to do it all by themselves, or are you just another poster who criticises Wallace purely for the sake of it?

When the players don't use the corridor it's the coach's fault, when he gets them using the corridor you conveniently forget...unless of course you're making a (to you) unrelated point?

Is that how it works?...I'm genuinely curious.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

How can that be so when you've repeatedly made posts like:



If a coach is trying to drill his players to use the corridor, then they do so in the second half of the year and win 8/11 games, how can using the corridor not be a point of emphasis in that coach's gameplan?

Did the players decide to do it all by themselves, or are you just another poster who criticises Wallace purely for the sake of it?

When the players don't use the corridor it's the coach's fault, when he gets them using the corridor you conveniently forget...unless of course you're making a (to you) unrelated point?

Is that how it works?...I'm genuinely curious.

Well I'm confused Razor I don't think we use the centre corridor enough, which I have made the point on a number of occasions,including the two you have pointed out ?, and personally think it is generally when expectation is upon the side, the side plays somewhat defensive.
I'm not critising Wallace for the sake of it, I am pointing out something which to most Richmond supporters that I know is glaring obvious.
Sorry but I don't think we have enough super highly skilled players to have a high possesion game plan, in my opinion our skills are moderate and our game plan does not suit those skills available. Players don't just loose there skills and we have recruited plenty of young draftees who have been described by the scouts as highly skilled, yet come to the club and get critised for their skills.
Terry Wallace has however, been at the club long enough to have adopted the players to his preferred game plan surely , it only took Clarkson 12 months to develop a game plan and at the moment our game plan in my opinion is one of the worse developed in the AFL.

 

[deliberate!!]

How can that be so when you've repeatedly made posts like:



If a coach is trying to drill his players to use the corridor, then they do so in the second half of the year and win 8/11 games, how can using the corridor not be a point of emphasis in that coach's gameplan?

Did the players decide to do it all by themselves, or are you just another poster who criticises Wallace purely for the sake of it?

When the players don't use the corridor it's the coach's fault, when he gets them using the corridor you conveniently forget...unless of course you're making a (to you) unrelated point?

Is that how it works?...I'm genuinely curious.

Repeated correct and incorrect usage of gameplans HAS TO point back to the coach. (You don't blame the guy in the kitchen or the engine room for the ship not docking properly....the Captain, the greater decision maker, the overseer of the entire ship/team/club wears that.)
Correct usage can be fine tuned. Incorrect usage should be stopped immediately, even if it involves breaking the corrupted link by removing players, or adjusting for deficiencies. The coach alone wears the pats or slaps.

And after 4 years, there are no excuses why a coach shouldn't be answerable to his teams repeated gameplan executions.

And likewise, we have a large contigent here who are 'apologists' for Wallace....just for the sake of it.

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'Discovering' the ability to use the 'corridor' in the 2nd half of a season, just goes to show how inept TW actually is!

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Repeated correct and incorrect usage of gameplans HAS TO point back to the coach. (You don't blame the guy in the kitchen or the engine room for the ship not docking properly....the Captain, the greater decision maker, the overseer of the entire ship/team/club wears that.)
Correct usage can be fine tuned. Incorrect usage should be stopped immediately, even if it involves breaking the corrupted link by removing players, or adjusting for deficiencies. The coach alone wears the pats or slaps.

And after 4 years, there are no excuses why a coach shouldn't be answerable to his teams repeated gameplan executions.

And likewise, we have a large contigent here who are 'apologists' for Wallace....just for the sake of it.

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'Discovering' the ability to use the 'corridor' in the 2nd half of a season, just goes to show how inept TW actually is!

That's what I was trying to say.
Oh and if I was just trying to get on here bagging TW I wouldn't bother giving a reason, I'd just say his game plan is shite or he doesn't know whats he doing !

 

[Rayzorwire]

Well I'm confused Razor I don't think we use the centre corridor enough...

Except the entire last half of last season - by your own admission - obviously under the coach's instructions.

As for the first half, there were numerous performances (Freo being perhaps the most obvious) where we also used the corridor.

The reason we have spent a lot of time NOT using the corridor in previous years is because we didn't have the legs to attack for very much of a game, When we did attack we used the corridor, always have under Wallace.

at the moment our game plan in my opinion is one of the worse developed in the AFL.

Uhuh, well that's your opinion.

Repeated correct and incorrect usage of gameplans HAS TO point back to the coach.

Ultimately, yes, but obviously players have a big part in whether the gameplan is adhered to or not, and to what degree it is implemented.

Incorrect usage should be stopped immediately, even if it involves breaking the corrupted link by removing players...

In a year like '07 where we were playing kids and had nobody else, there's no choice but to try and teach - there's nobody left to replace those you remove.

And after 4 years, there are no excuses why a coach shouldn't be answerable to his teams repeated gameplan executions.

A lot of the players are kids and no doubt they do get drilled in what they need to do and what they've done wrong. Teaching a side you're virtually building from scratch takes time.

And likewise, we have a large contigent here who are 'apologists' for Wallace....just for the sake of it.

Most of Wallace's critics make Frawley look like a rocket scientist. The dream that they could come up with better is just that...a dream.

'Discovering' the ability to use the 'corridor' in the 2nd half of a season, just goes to show how inept TW actually is!

Ah, yeah, that's it...not that the message is getting through and producing the desired results.

Oh and if I was just trying to get on here bagging TW I wouldn't bother giving a reason, I'd just say his game plan is shite or he doesn't know whats he doing !

You have done just that in the second quote above, with just a minor difference in the phrasing.

 

[Thecho]

Terry has been coaching us for 4 years, you would think that the vast majority of our list would be able to follow the game plan by now. If so many players are not following instructions and cant adhere to the gameplan week-in week-out then Terry is to blame.

 

[deliberate!!]

Most of Wallace's critics make Frawley look like a rocket scientist. The dream that they could come up with better is just that...a dream.

Wallace and Frawley are on the same footing in my opinion.
No flags. Nought. Zero.

No rocket science needed there...

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What's better than zero?

That couldn't be too hard...for any dreamer.